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Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.

Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:58 pm

Boeing just booked a third order for 75 737 MAX from Jet Airways. Total now 3 x 75 = 225 BOEING 737 MAX

Jet Airways - 75 x B737 MAX

Source: https://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/a ... ssion=true

If you are thinking this is already happened, it has this is the third order. 75 in October 2017, 75 in April 2018. This is order number 3.

Total now: 225 Boeing 737 MAX
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:13 pm

Interesting how SpiceJet and Jet Airways have each had three MAX orders Similarly how GoAir also placed incremental orders compared to IndiGo who went straight for a huge order. Collectively we aren’t far away from the backlog of airplanes ordered by Indian Airlines approaching 1000 planes.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Interesting how SpiceJet and Jet Airways have each had three MAX orders Similarly how GoAir also placed incremental orders compared to IndiGo who went straight for a huge order. Collectively we aren’t far away from the backlog of airplanes ordered by Indian Airlines approaching 1000 planes.


A lot of backlog but also a hugely growing market. Lots of planes now on order. Very surprised it was 3 exactly equal 75 orders for Jet Airways though. I don’t think we have the spilt between MAX 7/8/9/10 for all these. Interesting to see. I’d imagine mostly MAX 8 with possibly some MAX 10.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:17 pm

Are they their "largest" customer atm?
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:19 pm

Etheereal wrote:
Are they their "largest" customer atm?


No they are third I think.

Southwest has 280 firm (+ options)

Flydubai have I think 245 firm (+ some options). This is largest.

Jet airways is 225.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:23 pm

Etheereal wrote:
Are they their "largest" customer atm?


I believe Southwest and FlyDubai are the top customers
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:37 pm

pabloeing wrote:
This year Boeing is on fire ¡¡¡¡.....and one month until Farabourgh


The visitors at Farnborough are going to be disappointed when Boeing doesn't show up...
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:40 pm

The first one out of the 250 will do revenue flights from July 1 with BOM HYD being the first route.
If the entire 225 is taken by 2023 then 9W can regain >20% market share.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:00 pm

Come on man, they need to take their 787's rather than ordering 300 more 737MAX.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:02 pm

Much required for 9W to maintain its 18% market share in coming years!! Jet Airways will replace a lot of its ageing B738s first, so that's going to be only about 140 new a/c for 9W. Compare it with 300+ for IndiGo, 150+ for SpiceJet, and 120 for GoAir.

That said, Jet Airways also has the weakest financials among all private airlines in India. Hope they are managing their debt well.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:03 pm

Glad to see 9W getting some new birds. Still, remember the days when 9W used to replace 737s like a clockwork.

If they can break even with 100-120 pax on India Tier-2/3 to Europe, game over for several players.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:14 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Glad to see 9W getting some new birds. Still, remember the days when 9W used to replace 737s like a clockwork.

If they can break even with 100-120 pax on India Tier-2/3 to Europe, game over for several players.

The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU. in fact their a330s ( the ones with only 18J) will be better suited for many India-EU routes. Remember the ANA 737-700 NRT BOM ? The Y fares were also super high compared to other airlines.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:17 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
pabloeing wrote:
This year Boeing is on fire ¡¡¡¡.....and one month until Farabourgh


The visitors at Farnborough are going to be disappointed when Boeing doesn't show up...


There's no reason to assume that both A and B won't book massive orders at farnborough
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:24 pm

They are nearly tripling their narrowbody fleet. That is a pretty substantial increase to undertake in 5 yeas time. I wish them well, but that is a lot, even in a growing market like India.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:27 pm

binayak wrote:
The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU.


SkyTeam++ can command higher Y fares if they save 8hr-12hr each way. There is no new investment on TATL end, other than more feed

MAX gives 9W an option to test these markets.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:28 pm

dc10lover wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Much required for 9W to maintain its 18% market share in coming years!! Jet Airways will replace a lot of its ageing B738s first, so that's going to be only about 140 new a/c for 9W. Compare it with 300+ for IndiGo, 150+ for SpiceJet, and 120 for GoAir.

That said, Jet Airways also has the weakest financials among all private airlines in India. Hope they are managing their debt well.

Wonder if anyone will purchase the older Boeing 737 - 800's.

They have been sold to lessors ans thus will be returned once replaced by maxes.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:33 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Much required for 9W to maintain its 18% market share in coming years!! Jet Airways will replace a lot of its ageing B738s first, so that's going to be only about 140 new a/c for 9W. Compare it with 300+ for IndiGo, 150+ for SpiceJet, and 120 for GoAir.

That said, Jet Airways also has the weakest financials among all private airlines in India. Hope they are managing their debt well.

Wonder if anyone will purchase the older Boeing 737 - 800's.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:36 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
binayak wrote:
The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU.


SkyTeam++ can command higher Y fares if they save 8hr-12hr each way. There is no new investment on TATL end, other than more feed

MAX gives 9W an option to test these markets.

Agree with you.
However one more doubt - whether the max will be able to reach AMS/CDG from any strong tier 2/3 in india ( like PNQ , CCU, )
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:11 pm

Well I hope they add some CIS countries, it would be perfect with the MAX.
 
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Congrats to 9W.
Now to get these delivered!


And more runways/terminals in India. In particular at hubs.

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Has there been any model breakdown or are they all going to be 8's? I would think with that many orders might make sense to try out 9's or 10's but hadn't heard anything on it.
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:46 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to 9W.
Now to get these delivered!


And more runways/terminals in India. In particular at hubs.

Lightsaber


To the contrary; this will be more about using 9W metal to fly from secondary Indian cities to meet-up SkyTeam. Perhaps, arrangement like in LHR where 9W pax get transferred to both DL and Virgin.

On the eastern side, cities where ANA have flights from multiple Japanese cities to range of cities like Singapore, Bangkok, Hong Kong etc.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:48 pm

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Has there been any model breakdown or are they all going to be 8's? I would think with that many orders might make sense to try out 9's or 10's but hadn't heard anything on it.

Boeing prices all models for most (all?) customers that can be interchanged with enough notice. Once the MAX is in full production, Boeing will probably just require 30 months notice for no fee changes and for a fee less notice.

I expect early birds to be -8s.

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Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:41 pm

I love the optimism of folks on this tread. The Reuters article, which means the press release its essentially cribbed directly from, states this is for the domestic market. Yet, we're talking about connecting secondary markets around India with AMS and CDG.

The Max-8 barely has the legs to connect ATQ with AMS never mind cities in central, eastern or southern India. Boeing doesn't even attempt to market that sort of range in its rosy range charts:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/737ma ... nge-charts

I would point out that back in the late 70s/early 80s when the A300B4, 757 and 767 came out, even though they had the capacity to make intercontinental flights, there were most often used on short-to-medium trunk routes across Europe and the US (think ORY-NCE; LGA-MIA; ATL-ORD; LHR-MAN). Most of these jets are destined for domestic turns from BOM with a few sojourns to the Middle East and Southern Asia. The AMS stuff is for the soon to come MOM/797.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:48 pm

Will 9W actually take all these planes as MAX 8s? It would make sense to convert at least a third of the order to the MAX 9. 9W must really be gambling on an open skies agreement with China to make this work...225 MAX 8s on order for an airline currently with 120 planes total?
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:58 pm

musman9853 wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
pabloeing wrote:
This year Boeing is on fire ¡¡¡¡.....and one month until Farabourgh


The visitors at Farnborough are going to be disappointed when Boeing doesn't show up...


There's no reason to assume that both A and B won't book massive orders at farnborough

It was more likely MrHMSH's gentle way of pointing out the mis-spelling of Fanborough. ;-)
Actually, I myself don't think there will be any massive orders, and certainly not the scale of years past PAS/FAS.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:23 pm

BOM still has one runway. Does DEL have a parallel 2nd runaway. Where are they going to fly these aircraft ?
 
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How are they even funding this ? Do they have any assets to leverage ? And where the hell will they put them, Navi Mumbai is faaar away
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:50 pm

manny wrote:
BOM still has one runway. Does DEL have a parallel 2nd runaway. Where are they going to fly these aircraft ?


Agreed- unless we see some serious investment and market fragmentation, I feel a lot of these Indian narrow body orders should have been for larger wide bodies to upgage congested domestic airports.

How is the current frequency offering in the domestic market?
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Will 9W actually take all these planes as MAX 8s? It would make sense to convert at least a third of the order to the MAX 9. 9W must really be gambling on an open skies agreement with China to make this work...225 MAX 8s on order for an airline currently with 120 planes total?


Then you must have serious reservations about Indigo, Go Air and Spicejet. This is just the Indian market, I’m not sure why people are surprised now.
 
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N717TW wrote:
The Max-8 barely has the legs to connect ATQ with AMS never mind cities in central, eastern or southern India. Boeing doesn't even attempt to market that sort of range in its rosy range charts:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/737ma ... nge-charts


Perhaps, very optimistic to AMS/LHR but plenty of tourist traffic to S. Europe. DEL/BOM to cities in C/S Europe for sure. Plenty of runs to SE Asia and E Africa.
 
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dtw2hyd wrote:
binayak wrote:
The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU.

SkyTeam++ can command higher Y fares if they save 8hr-12hr each way. There is no new investment on TATL end, other than more feed
MAX gives 9W an option to test these markets.


Call me crazy... but I see the possibility of lots of 9W flights from secondary cities in India to AUH... and EY finally aligning with ST. Both could really benefit from the tie-up.

And yep... I am probably crazy... :roll: ... because EY would clearly rather fly those routes themselves. But I am not sure the economics are good for them; they are clearly suffering in some markets.
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To everyone talking about where these aircrafts will be used,
9W needs them to
1. Strengthen their position at DEL and bring back market from 6E, UK.
2. Build a new hub at BLR.
3. Start few medium haul international routes which could not be possible with the 737NG.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:29 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
Interesting how SpiceJet and Jet Airways have each had three MAX orders Similarly how GoAir also placed incremental orders compared to IndiGo who went straight for a huge order. Collectively we aren’t far away from the backlog of airplanes ordered by Indian Airlines approaching 1000 planes.

Just to put all orders into perspective:

Airlines I Total Order* I (Already Delivered)

Airbus A320neo family
Air India- 15 (15)
GoAir- 144 (16)
IndiGo- 395 (35)
Vistara- 9 (7)
Total to be delivered= 490

Boeing 737MAX family
Jet Airways- 225 (1)
SpiceJet- 155 (0)
Total to be delivered= 379

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- No replacement order announced yet: Air India Express
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FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
How are they even funding this ? Do they have any assets to leverage ?

A large part of their 1st order for 75 has already been offloaded to lessors last year on Boeing's orders. That way the lessor and not Jet Airways has to pay Boeing for delivery, something which is not the case with a sale and leaseback after delivery.
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:59 am

As with IndiGo, how many of these 225 planes will be flying at the same time?

I suspect the number will be far lesser than 225.
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As with IndiGo, how many of these 225 planes will be flying at the same time?

I suspect the number will be far lesser than 225.

I think 150 at its peak. 9W currently has a fleet of 75 B737, with ages ranging from 5 to 14 years.
 
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Spiderguy252 wrote:
As with IndiGo, how many of these 225 planes will be flying at the same time?

I suspect the number will be far lesser than 225.

I think 150 at its peak. 9W currently has a fleet of 75 B737, with ages ranging from 5 to 14 years.

All the 225 will fly together by 2027.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:42 am

Spiderguy252 wrote:
As with IndiGo, how many of these 225 planes will be flying at the same time?

I suspect the number will be far lesser than 225.

Yes, definitely less than 225 at the same time. LCC like IndiGo, AirAsia, WizzAir and many others booked large order to lock in favourable production slot. Once the aircraft hit certain age, they will roll over the fleet pretty fast.

In case of 6E,

Jun 2005: 100 Airbus A320-200 order was placed.
July 2006: First A320ceo arrived in July 2006 and planned to induct 100 aircraft by 2015–2016.
Jan 2011: Additional 180 A320 aircraft (150 A320neo + 30 A320ceo) was placed.
Aug 2012: First A320ceo VT-INW offloaded to Etihad
Nov 2014: Completed its initial 100 order ahead of schedule with last factory fresh VT-IAY delivery.
Aug 2015: Additional 250 A320neo was placed.

They have offloaded 15 of theirs, leaving 85 of their own. At the same time they leased many used A320ceo for extra capacity and A320neo delay. Current used fleet stands at 40 aircraft, with three more due for delivery. They are now operating A320ceo with both IAE and PW engines.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:58 am

So a 1000 aircraft on order? Will their registration system manage to cope? The current three letter system can only cope with about 17,000 aircraft. I guess this system set up back in the 20's must be looking at a change in this changing world? Three letters simply is not going to be enough for India mving forwards.
 
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So a 1000 aircraft on order? Will their registration system manage to cope? The current three letter system can only cope with about 17,000 aircraft. I guess this system set up back in the 20's must be looking at a change in this changing world? Three letters simply is not going to be enough for India mving forwards.

The registration can be always recycled as many countries do this. Unless DGCA of India prohibits such practice.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:12 am

juliuswong wrote:
goosebayguy wrote:
So a 1000 aircraft on order? Will their registration system manage to cope? The current three letter system can only cope with about 17,000 aircraft. I guess this system set up back in the 20's must be looking at a change in this changing world? Three letters simply is not going to be enough for India mving forwards.

The registration can be always recycled as many countries do this. Unless DGCA of India prohibits such practice.


Maybe numbers can make an entry as well.
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:29 am

It's actually only 205 on order now as they cancelled 21 out of the original 75 aircraft order some time back. Plus they agreed to lease six 737 Max 8s from GECAS and they have one in service.

There'll be no problems getting these financed or selling them off to another operator if needed. Narrowbodies, especially the newest ones, are an investor's delight, and at the moment lessors are falling over themselves to offer attractive sale-and-leaseback terms, even to an airline as shaky as Jet, as they can always place them somewhere else if it goes belly-up.
 
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juliuswong wrote:
Just to put all orders into perspective:

Airlines I Total Order* I (Already Delivered)

Airbus A320neo family
Air India- 15 (15)


AI hasn't ordered any NEOs but dry leased 28, 18 already delivered.
 
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Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:44 am

binayak wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Glad to see 9W getting some new birds. Still, remember the days when 9W used to replace 737s like a clockwork.

If they can break even with 100-120 pax on India Tier-2/3 to Europe, game over for several players.

The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU. in fact their a330s ( the ones with only 18J) will be better suited for many India-EU routes. Remember the ANA 737-700 NRT BOM ? The Y fares were also super high compared to other airlines.


Wasn't the ANA NRT BOM an all J ?

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BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
binayak wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Glad to see 9W getting some new birds. Still, remember the days when 9W used to replace 737s like a clockwork.

If they can break even with 100-120 pax on India Tier-2/3 to Europe, game over for several players.

The problem will be those 100-120 pax will end up paying too high price for even coach. I don't think it will be economically viable in tier 2/3 to EU. in fact their a330s ( the ones with only 18J) will be better suited for many India-EU routes. Remember the ANA 737-700 NRT BOM ? The Y fares were also super high compared to other airlines.


Wasn't the ANA NRT BOM an all J ?

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The last time I took it, there were 24 J and 20 Y. I took it much after the linked trip report was made.
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Re: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.

Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:11 pm

Great news for Jet Airways to expand their 737 fleet but what about the long haul ? The A330 are awful and the 777 are no better, 787-10 would be a great plane at Jet for flights to Europe & Asia.
 
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Re: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.

Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:17 pm

N717TW wrote:
I love the optimism of folks on this tread. The Reuters article, which means the press release its essentially cribbed directly from, states this is for the domestic market. Yet, we're talking about connecting secondary markets around India with AMS and CDG.
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The AMS stuff is for the soon to come MOM/797.


Looking at the history of Indian carriers it is actually a cautious approach. Three carriers(IT, AI, and 9W) got into trouble by investing heavily in long-haul widebodies, IT on top got into regional by acquiring an ATR operator. IT is history, AI lost domestic market share and loaded with debt, 9W didn't grow faster in domestic and raked considerable debt. AI still has same number narrow bodies it had in 2007.

So for 9W to recover quickly, replace current 75 frames, add 25+ on domestic and short-haul international.

Try Tier2/3-Europe with a small fleet of 5-10 frames. On a 12J156Y frame have 12J 104Y(middle seat empty) and If it works, good, otherwise just redeploy on domestic/short-haul international.

The last thing any Indian should do is to invest heavily in WB or MOM/797.

Indigo is planning to do exactly what IT did and expected to be a great success. Time will tell.

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