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BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:22 pm

I noticed on Friday, June 25, that British Airways flight number 286, an A380 operating SFO-LHR, took off from 1R and made a left turn and went north up the bay at around 2,500 feet or so until Angel Island when it began ascending and made its turn towards the Northeast.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW ... /KSFO/EGLL

Was the load factor exceptionally light on Friday? Was a great view to see the plane coming up the bay at that altitude and must have been quite the views for passengers on the left side.

I also noticed Air India taking off for Delhi off 1R recently as well.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:29 pm

While I can't speak to the reasons why 1R is used sometimes for Europe-bound takeoffs instead of the more usual 28R&L, it is not that uncommon.

Here's a KLM 747 departing for AMS from 1R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHy2IVhbUc
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:32 pm

It's an 8,648' runway, even though it seems shorter in comparison to the 10-28s at SFO. Plenty of distance.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:50 pm

This is common for Euro departures. Especially for the carriers operating from the A concourse, its a much shorter taxi. KL/VS were the most common in my days around SFO. Heck I've scene UA planes taxi to 1R, maybe just for a change of pace. As BWI said, 8600 if plenty for the segments to Europe, unless bogged down with weight or the typical SFO westerly winds prevent it.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:50 pm

Wheelsup0202 wrote:
I noticed on Friday, June 25, that British Airways flight number 286, an A380 operating SFO-LHR, took off from 1R and made a left turn and went north up the bay at around 2,500 feet or so until Angel Island when it began ascending and made its turn towards the Northeast.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW ... /KSFO/EGLL

Was the load factor exceptionally light on Friday? Was a great view to see the plane coming up the bay at that altitude and must have been quite the views for passengers on the left side.

I also noticed Air India taking off for Delhi off 1R recently as well.



Friday, June 25th.... hmmmm ;)
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:04 pm

Friday was June 22nd, not June 25th (which is actually today) :D
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:53 pm

dcajet wrote:
While I can't speak to the reasons why 1R is used sometimes for Europe-bound takeoffs instead of the more usual 28R&L, it is not that uncommon.

Here's a KLM 747 departing for AMS from 1R.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHy2IVhbUc


I was at SFO around that time (late July 2016) and videotaped a KLM 744 departing off 1R. It's possible that might be the same flight I videoed!

I've also seen a UA 787 to TLV and an Air Berlin A332 depart off 1R.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:03 pm

Recall that SFO is practically at sea level, and tends to have relatively cool temps, so the density altitude as a result tends to be low...in other words, it's typically not a hot-and-high takeoff.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:23 pm

Wasn't 1R the same runway that the PamAM 747 clipped the lights at the end of the runway in the early 70s?
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:30 pm

MrBretz wrote:
Wasn't 1R the same runway that the PamAM 747 clipped the lights at the end of the runway in the early 70s?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_845

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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:29 pm

I spent much of the day at SFO on Friday the 22nd to see off a friend heading home and add in a bit of spotting. As you said, the AI 77L also took off from 1R; I thought it strange being so close to the ends of the 1s yet for some strange reason I still thought it was going out to the 28s, so I assumed I had extra time and messed around a bit. By the time I came back to my vantage point, it was already gone, so I checked FR24 on my phone and sure enough it left so soon because it had in fact used 1R. I didn't stay late enough to see the BA A380 depart, but that's certainly interesting to learn that it did.

FWIW, many of the other heavies during the day like the AF/LH A380s or the JL/CX 77Ws used 28L/R (while it makes complete sense that the VS A332 to MAN used 1R). With the BA A380 taking off later into the evening the temperatures may've been just low enough, and, hypothetically combined with maybe a lighter load, it may have been enough considering it usually uses the 28s (whether from seeing it in the distance, hearing/seeing it overhead when I'm up in SF, or being outside at Tanforan at that time of the evening to have it go straight overhead). On some days even the VS A346 will use 1R, especially to the dismay of spotters on the Westfield employee garage when there were spotting event days there.

While not an A380, BF's A359 to ORY also used 1R while I was still there, although I did note to someone also spotting at the T2 AirTrain station that the A350 has "very good" takeoff performance anyway:

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Even the SQ A359 nonstop to SIN can use as little as just over half of 28L whenever I recall seeing it.

Going back farther (January 21st in fact), I definitely recall KE sending a 77W off (even shorter) 1L; it's hard to tell in this screencap I took at the time but I remember zooming in and seeing the track over 1L:

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(At least, barring any position or map rendering error like what seems to've been a thing at LAX.)
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:49 pm

I was on BA286 taking off from 1R around 12 months ago - I can't speak much for the loads as I was in the small Y cabin on the upper deck, which was unsurprisingly full. Remarkably the plane began to rotate at the intersection with 28R. Before this flight I'd only flown the A380 on heavy flights from LHR-SIN and back and the difference in takeoff performance was noticeable.

I do have a couple of photos of this takeoff across the Bay at sunset but can't seem to post them.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:26 am

The 01s also don’t have any obstacles or terrain off the end - it’s free and clear for nine miles across the bay, except for the occasional windsurfer mast. So the numbers for engine-out obstacle clearance and climb gradient should be about as favorable as can be.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:18 am

The Air India 77L to DEL has been using 1R recently. That must be a fun one to see taking off. I have seen both the LH and BA A380s go off 1L, in addition to KLM which uses it almost exclusively, regardless of aircraft type. I didn't see this, but I know that in 2013, after the OZ 214 crash, the LH A380 took off on 19L, which must have been fantastic to watch.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:23 am

MrBretz wrote:
Wasn't 1R the same runway that the PamAM 747 clipped the lights at the end of the runway in the early 70s?


Yes, but be clear on the circumstances. It wasn’t because the runway itself is too short. They had a last minute runway change from a longer runway and didn’t recalculate their takeoff thrust or speeds.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:24 am

This might surprise some posters, but the A380 has excellent field performance. It has better field performance than the 77W. If the runway is adequate for a 777 departing on a 15 hour flight then an A380 departing for an 10 hour flight will have no issues whatsoever.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:06 am

I don’t want to be a party pooper because anything about SFO is interesting, but there is a new thread on A.net every time an A380 or 747 takes off on Runway 1R. I remember one not too long ago. As past threads note, it’s not that rare of an occurrence.

The PSA L-1011s took off on shorter 1L back in the day, albeit for a short flight.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:12 am

There was a wind shift in the late afternoon that made take-offs on the 01's very favorable:

METAR KSFO 221756Z 03006KT 10SM FEW200 20/12 A2994 RMK AO2
SLP139 T02000122 10200 20133 58007 $=
707 712 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 741 742 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 773 D9S D10 319 320 321 332 M80 M82 M83 M87 M88 M90 SF3 ERJ CRJ
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:38 am

Keep in mind that the A388 is *way* over-winged. And a trip to Europe would only use like 2/3 of the fuel capacity. 744s and 777s routinely use the 1s to go to Europe.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:56 am

Who determines which runway is used? I assume ATC have the ultimate say, but are pilots able to request a particular runway for takeoffs?
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:03 am

Not too surprised by an A380 flying a 4000 nm flight taking off from 1R, but the AI 77L must have been quite the sight.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:27 am

DocLightning wrote:
Keep in mind that the A388 is *way* over-winged. And a trip to Europe would only use like 2/3 of the fuel capacity. 744s and 777s routinely use the 1s to go to Europe.


When Air France did some CDG-LHR-CDG training services with their first A380 a few years ago, I was surprised when we lined up on 27L abeam our T4 stand and took off a minute after taxi. There were 516 passengers plus crew on board, but only a kettle of fuel. The A380 can certainly climb when it wants to.
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:52 pm

vhtje wrote:
Who determines which runway is used? I assume ATC have the ultimate say, but are pilots able to request a particular runway for takeoffs?


You are correct that ATC has the final say, but pilots can request a given runway. In my observation, they have a better shot at having that preference accommodated if it will not significantly disrupt the flow of traffic — I remember hearing a BA 747 ask for Runway 15R at BOS when BOS was running a 27/33L configuration (in other words, the opposite way that traffic was going) and they were quickly told "no." In that case, it seemed that the pilots wanted to minimize the taxi distance (15R is located right next to Terminal E at BOS, while 33L is at the opposite end of the field) but since it would have disrupted the flow of traffic the request was denied. However, it never hurts to ask!
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:19 pm

Actually, the PIC has the final say, not ATC. If performance dictates a particular runway, length or obstacle clearance, that’s the runway needed, ATC hasn’t any veto. You might wait awhile, but it’s the captain’s call. If BA needed 15R (for example, tailwind ops on 33, but not a limiting one for landings), they’d wait and get it. Doubt performance was an issue departing for LHR.

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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:08 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Actually, the PIC has the final say, not ATC. If performance dictates a particular runway, length or obstacle clearance, that’s the runway needed, ATC hasn’t any veto. You might wait awhile, but it’s the captain’s call. If BA needed 15R (for example, tailwind ops on 33, but not a limiting one for landings), they’d wait and get it. Doubt performance was an issue departing for LHR.

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Fair enough, but — like you said — they might wait have to wait awhile, so in terms of getting a runway that will allow for an on-time departure, it would appear that ATC holds the power. I realize that is different than the original question asked, but just making sure we are not comparing apples and oranges.
 
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Re: BA#286 A380 Taking Off from 1R at SFO

Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:36 pm

an A380 taking off from 01R is not usual but it’s nothing exceptionnal.

On the other hand, an A380 taking off from 07R at LAX is very exceptionnal


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