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Polot wrote:1) Nobody has placed tariffs on aircraft yet as far as I’m aware.
wrongwayup wrote:Polot wrote:1) Nobody has placed tariffs on aircraft yet as far as I’m aware.
Hah, not for lack of trying though.
idlewild wrote:Seeing how the European and Asian markets are extremely lucrative for Boeing, I have to wonder if they too, will open up factories overseas to by-pass the tariffs/trade-wars, in order to stay solvent. The Middle East/mainland Asia certainly has the space and are very business friendly. Maybe Canada?
idlewild wrote:in order to stay solvent
StTim wrote:The EU has targetted against products from Red states. I don't like trade wars - we all lose out. The interesting thing will be if the rest of the world ignores tariffs against each other and just target the US. Then it becomes US Vs the world.
I am sure the likes of Airbus and Rolls Royce have securing a second and non US source for all items they currently use very near the top of their business priorities.
itchief wrote:StTim wrote:The EU has targetted against products from Red states. I don't like trade wars - we all lose out. The interesting thing will be if the rest of the world ignores tariffs against each other and just target the US. Then it becomes US Vs the world.
I am sure the likes of Airbus and Rolls Royce have securing a second and non US source for all items they currently use very near the top of their business priorities.
And something like this will happen because the USA is so weak? Really, you think this is how it will work out?
StTim wrote:
I do think the USA is not proving to be a good partner and friend to its traditional allies at this time.
par13del wrote:StTim wrote:
I do think the USA is not proving to be a good partner and friend to its traditional allies at this time.
The USA runs a trade deficit with all of its major allies, the USA is in hock to China and Japan because it is financing a lot of its activities and has been doing this for a couple decades, eventually the time will come when they will have to pay the piper or declare "Chpt.11". When would be a good time for them to start addressing their trade imbalances and their prolific borrowing?
When they do start consuming less, what do you think that will do to trade with other countries?
When they start borrowing less, what will that do to the currency market?
As much as we would like it to be, the USA is not a bottomless pit, one can look at Trump and realize that there are persons in the USA who are getting tired of how their country is being run and the current POTUS is just a manifestation of that frustration, has everyone forgotten about the Tea Party and its supporters who came before Trump, if you look at their economics and trying to force the government to live within their means...............
Skywatcher wrote:I think they should do it regardless. It would be a better way to hedge foreign exchange fluctuations/exposure.
Airbus is way ahead of Boeing in this regard. I think it just makes good business sense to diversify production globally, particularly given how global Boeing's customer base is.
How ironic that the blustery trade war threats might actually result in a mid to long term loss of American jobs. Unfortunately, the damage will only likely become evident in a couple of years so that the next president will be stuck with fixing the mess.
StTim wrote:par13del wrote:StTim wrote:
I do think the USA is not proving to be a good partner and friend to its traditional allies at this time.
The USA runs a trade deficit with all of its major allies, the USA is in hock to China and Japan because it is financing a lot of its activities and has been doing this for a couple decades, eventually the time will come when they will have to pay the piper or declare "Chpt.11". When would be a good time for them to start addressing their trade imbalances and their prolific borrowing?
When they do start consuming less, what do you think that will do to trade with other countries?
When they start borrowing less, what will that do to the currency market?
As much as we would like it to be, the USA is not a bottomless pit, one can look at Trump and realize that there are persons in the USA who are getting tired of how their country is being run and the current POTUS is just a manifestation of that frustration, has everyone forgotten about the Tea Party and its supporters who came before Trump, if you look at their economics and trying to force the government to live within their means...............
I for one never quite trust trade figures. If you and track trade then the hash total for all countries in the world should be zero. BUT it never is. It is always a large deficit.
Americans have lived lavishly of cheap goods from other nations - supplied at a cost and quality they struggle to complete with (the same applies here by the way). What they do however is win at the high tech.
This is now becoming way too political BUT I tend to agree we should live with our means - which is why I have concerns at the impact of the recent huge budget giveaway.
WaywardMemphian wrote:The Harley announcement was completely disingenuous, closing the KC plant was in the works even before the tax cut. Harley US sales are way down, double digits, their two biggest dogs were made at KC.
StTim wrote:The EU has targetted against products from Red states. I don't like trade wars - we all lose out. The interesting thing will be if the rest of the world ignores tariffs against each other and just target the US. Then it becomes US Vs the world.
I am sure the likes of Airbus and Rolls Royce have securing a second and non US source for all items they currently use very near the top of their business priorities.
slider wrote:Also, for our European friends, isn't the VAT tax a disincentive for American/foreign companies unto itself?
par13del wrote:StTim wrote:
I do think the USA is not proving to be a good partner and friend to its traditional allies at this time.
The USA runs a trade deficit with all of its major allies, the USA is in hock to China and Japan because it is financing a lot of its activities and has been doing this for a couple decades, eventually the time will come when they will have to pay the piper or declare "Chpt.11". When would be a good time for them to start addressing their trade imbalances and their prolific borrowing?
When they do start consuming less, what do you think that will do to trade with other countries?
When they start borrowing less, what will that do to the currency market?
As much as we would like it to be, the USA is not a bottomless pit, one can look at Trump and realize that there are persons in the USA who are getting tired of how their country is being run and the current POTUS is just a manifestation of that frustration, has everyone forgotten about the Tea Party and its supporters who came before Trump, if you look at their economics and trying to force the government to live within their means...............
PPVRA wrote:This thread makes no sense on a number of different levels.
*national security
*the colossal implication of something like this would change any politicians mind.
And others.
kevin5345179 wrote:wow ....
after all the BBD dispute, you are still expecting Canada to be friendly to you ?
opening factories doesn't happen next day ...
the only reason that Boeing hasn't been in the position similar to HD is because Airbus can't supply enough narrowbody aircraft
StTim wrote:Far too many wanting more tariffs on here which is a huge worry for the world. Trade wars hurt the little people most. That is you and I. We pay more. Products protected in country become more expensive and poorer quality.
It is not a good direction and as I said above I am never happy to see additional tariffs.
catiii wrote:idlewild wrote:in order to stay solvent
par13del wrote:The USA runs a trade deficit with all of its major allies, the USA is in hock to China and Japan because it is financing a lot of its activities and has been doing this for a couple decades, eventually the time will come when they will have to pay the piper or declare "Chpt.11".
idlewild wrote:catiii wrote:idlewild wrote:in order to stay solvent
I don't think you haven to worry about Boeing becoming insolvent...tariffs or no tariffs.[/quote
So, if I'm correct, China, Japan and the Republic of Korea are being taxed (tariffed) at a high rate. I see two dangers, and maybe I watch too much television, but nonetheless: China and Russia, I believe, are very serious about a joint wide body commercial airline design. I've been ridiculed for saying that they will have something up and going within ten years, but this is the instinct I have. If the airliner has decent specs, I don't see why airlines wouldn't be buying said wide body, save for the stereotype reputation of clunky Russian and Chinese aircraft. Two: What's to prevent Airbus from making affected airlines "an offer they can't refuse?" No offense to any band leaders in the airliners.net community.
kevin5345179 wrote:wow ....
after all the BBD dispute, you are still expecting Canada to be friendly to you ?
opening factories doesn't happen next day ...
the only reason that Boeing hasn't been in the position similar to HD is because Airbus can't supply enough narrowbody aircraft
BoeingGuy wrote:kevin5345179 wrote:wow ....
after all the BBD dispute, you are still expecting Canada to be friendly to you ?
opening factories doesn't happen next day ...
the only reason that Boeing hasn't been in the position similar to HD is because Airbus can't supply enough narrowbody aircraft
You have no idea what you are talking about. Many customers simply find the 737 to better meet their needs.
slider wrote:H-D has a product problem, they also have high labor costs.
Also, for our European friends, isn't the VAT tax a disincentive for American/foreign companies unto itself?
kevin5345179 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:kevin5345179 wrote:wow ....
after all the BBD dispute, you are still expecting Canada to be friendly to you ?
opening factories doesn't happen next day ...
the only reason that Boeing hasn't been in the position similar to HD is because Airbus can't supply enough narrowbody aircraft
You have no idea what you are talking about. Many customers simply find the 737 to better meet their needs.
Really ? Is this all the Boeing fan boys can think about ? Wow....... feeling pity for you
I'm not arguing about which plane fit better for an airlines
I'm stating the fact that if the demand for narrowbody is more than 120 planes per month or even 140 per month, it is simply impossible for a single OEM to reach such production rate today. Countries like China can't simply walk away from buying either OEM because it'll hurt its own economy even more
slider wrote:Also, for our European friends, isn't the VAT tax a disincentive for American/foreign companies unto itself?
Balloonchaser wrote:Here it is boys,
Boeing Company is Proud to be American and takes pride in having its aircraft made in America. Don’t expect to see Boeing Co. expand its facilities outside the USA.
par13del wrote:StTim wrote:
I do think the USA is not proving to be a good partner and friend to its traditional allies at this time.
The USA runs a trade deficit with all of its major allies....