Today's crazy airline event...
FBI agents descended upon a packed JetBlue flight in New York after a radio error signaled that the plane may have been hijacked, authorities said.
Authorities at John F. Kennedy International in Queens, New York, activated the airport's hijacking protocols at around 8 p.m. Tuesday, just before takeoff, when the aircraft lost radio contact, and triggered a massive police response.
Flight crew members re-established the connection about 15 minutes later and indicated that it was a false alarm, but the breach proceedings couldn't be recalled at that point, Port Authority officials said.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/fbi-agents-st ... ories.html
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Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
Ooopsie. Remember, it's High-five, highjack is 7"5"00. Lost comms is 7600! 
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Moderators please delete transponder replys.
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kiowa wrote:Moderators please delete transponder replys.
Why should they? They are no secret and not intended to be.
Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
No need to - the codes are public domain. 7500 is listed in public documents online - I'm sure someone googling would find those before these forums.
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The codes have been stated in A.net before. As noted, they are in the public domain.
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With 2 professional pilots up front, how does it slip past both of them...?
I barely fly enough to keep my 90 day currency where I rent from, and I don't think I'd ever forget...
I barely fly enough to keep my 90 day currency where I rent from, and I don't think I'd ever forget...
Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
Yep, Knowing transponder codes is cool. Knowing that they are in the public domain is also cool. I would suggest that advertising that knowledge is not cool.
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Squawking whatever is a standard topic on Flightradar Twitter-feed, they have a standard link for it to explain all of that - which they keep sharing whenever anyone squawks 7500, 7600, or 7700. Though I don't think 7500 has ever happened as long as Flightradar has been around.
So really no secret.
So really no secret.
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kiowa wrote:Yep, Knowing transponder codes is cool. Knowing that they are in the public domain is also cool. I would suggest that advertising that knowledge is not cool.
Advertising what?! This is private pilot 101 and it's all published by the FAA in AIM. Plus you can Google anything and get the correct answers. There is nothing in US aviation that is a secret to only those in the operation.
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commpilot wrote:kiowa wrote:Yep, Knowing transponder codes is cool. Knowing that they are in the public domain is also cool. I would suggest that advertising that knowledge is not cool.
Advertising what?! This is private pilot 101 and it's all published by the FAA in AIM. Plus you can Google anything and get the correct answers. There is nothing in US aviation that is a secret to only those in the operation.
Yeah there are things in US Aviation that are a secret to those in the operation. Those will stay that way.
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kiowa wrote:Moderators please delete transponder replys.
That's actually public information and known with a Google search.
7700: general emergency. It's up to the flight deck to then say what it is..
7600: lost radio communications.
7500: hijacking,
Typically one only sees a 7700.
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I'll take the positive here - at least it happened on the ground. Would be even scarier if your plane was first escorted to an airport by some F16s before being "stormed".
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Haha
Transponder Top Secret codes that only hundreds of thousands of people in the industry know.
Transponder Top Secret codes that only hundreds of thousands of people in the industry know.
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The codes were broadcast on the local TV news here so the jig is up.
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What would a hijacker do with that knowledge? NOT press 7500 into the transponder? 911 happened regardless of that knowledge.
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CarlosSi wrote:What would a hijacker do with that knowledge? NOT press 7500 into the transponder? 911 happened regardless of that knowledge.
Right, didn't they completely turn off the transponders?
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The previous thread(s) in which I participated on this issue were vaporized by the Mods, presumably after demands from readers.
All you have to do is google "transponder codes", and the hijack code is right there.
The more interesting question is how they managed to do this with a modern-day digital transponder, where you key in the code rather than rotate knobs to bring it up. With the rotating knobs ones, you could inadvertently broadcast a 7500 when you meant 7600 for NORDO as you were dialing the 2nd digit past the 5 on the way to 6, or otherwise when changing the codes in the thing. But here, the pilot clearly pressed the wrong digit. Completely-possible, either because he forgot the NORDO code or because he hit the wrong button. Someone earlier said he "immediately" changed it; other reports indicate that it was in there for a while. Regardless, this will happen again and it's probably good practice, although the pax who had to sit there with their hands up while police with automatic weapons cleared the cabin probably weren't all that amused.
All you have to do is google "transponder codes", and the hijack code is right there.
The more interesting question is how they managed to do this with a modern-day digital transponder, where you key in the code rather than rotate knobs to bring it up. With the rotating knobs ones, you could inadvertently broadcast a 7500 when you meant 7600 for NORDO as you were dialing the 2nd digit past the 5 on the way to 6, or otherwise when changing the codes in the thing. But here, the pilot clearly pressed the wrong digit. Completely-possible, either because he forgot the NORDO code or because he hit the wrong button. Someone earlier said he "immediately" changed it; other reports indicate that it was in there for a while. Regardless, this will happen again and it's probably good practice, although the pax who had to sit there with their hands up while police with automatic weapons cleared the cabin probably weren't all that amused.
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Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
A potential threat (individual) is likely not just stumbling onto this thread and finding this info, having been stymied by their many searches on Google. This isn't one of those pieces of knowledge that is a tightly kept secret.
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MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
CarlosSi wrote:What would a hijacker do with that knowledge? NOT press 7500 into the transponder? 911 happened regardless of that knowledge.
Theoretically harm the pilot(s) if they saw that that code had been entered into the transponder. It's the same kind of risk as pressing the holdup button next to the safe in a business while you are being held up (which in one of my businesses my employee did not do because she was afraid, which was understandable even though she had been trained on it), or dialing the holdup code in your home alarm during a push-in robbery (which shuts off the alarm as if it was a standard disarm but which silently calls the police). If you practice with them to prove to yourself and others that the system won't do something to put them in danger (like sound an alarm or otherwise evidence its activation), they may have the courage to do it, but even then most of the time not. The transponder code thing, with it reflected right there in the window of the device, was never a particularly-helpful feature once the hijacker is in the cockpit.
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75, Taken alive
76, Radio Glitch
77, Going to heaven.
This info is available to anybody and everybody who spends 5 minutes on google or buys a private pilot ground school handbook/a FAR AIM. The "codes" aren't secret, nor were they ever intended to be.
76, Radio Glitch
77, Going to heaven.
This info is available to anybody and everybody who spends 5 minutes on google or buys a private pilot ground school handbook/a FAR AIM. The "codes" aren't secret, nor were they ever intended to be.
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Great. Now they're gonna change them and I'm going to have to remember 7501.
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kiowa wrote:Yep, Knowing transponder codes is cool. Knowing that they are in the public domain is also cool. I would suggest that advertising that knowledge is not cool.
Squawk codes, including those discussed above, are discussed in Private Pilot ground schools. I think there are even test bank questions regarding "Which code is for lost comms?".
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Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
35 posts and only 3 actually have any relevance to the topic, such a sad place this forum has become.
I'm curious as to how long it takes and what it takes to give the thumbs up and clear the plane and passengers.
I'm curious as to how long it takes and what it takes to give the thumbs up and clear the plane and passengers.
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Re: Police Storm JetBlue Plane After Mistaken Hijack Signal
Maybe I missed it, but where did it state that the pilots squawked 7500? All I see if that there was a radio communication failure while on the ground and that triggered the response...
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ACDC8 wrote:35 posts and only 3 actually have any relevance to the topic, such a sad place this forum has become.
I'm curious as to how long it takes and what it takes to give the thumbs up and clear the plane and passengers.
gotta agree, it has become more important to try to spank someone for their opinion than to address the original post. quite sad and juvenile.
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Further evidence that 99% of people not on a.net have No idea what plane they are on , two people on the plane mis identified the airline on social media. These were people on the plane.
People don't care about widebody, narrowbody and barely the airline most people book on price ie why the legacies have no answer for the ULCC revolution happening right now.
People don't care about widebody, narrowbody and barely the airline most people book on price ie why the legacies have no answer for the ULCC revolution happening right now.
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Wow, good job to all the people posting the 7500, 7600, and 7700 squawk codes. Imagine how confused all the terrorists and hijackers will be when they figure out what the [drum roll] REAL CODES ARE!!!
Sorry. I'm new at the trolling thing.
Sorry. I'm new at the trolling thing.
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Please keep on topic and also keep any personal comments towards one another out of the discussion
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There was a pilot on the CBS This Morning show who said 'people make mistakes' when asked about the entry of 7500. People don't want to hear that pilots make fundamental mistakes LIKE THAT!
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