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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:09 am

ADL reports 16th consecutive month of growth

https://blueswandaily.com/adelaide-airp ... -jun-2018/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:11 am

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qf789 wrote:
Newcastle Airport announcing special media announcement tomorrow at 230pm, apparently its a big deal according to the airport

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/1 ... 8075744256

Well, after the Fly Pelican ADL media storm a few months ago, what's next? Avalon?


As a proud Novocastrian I hope it's exciting but doubt it after the ADL debacle. Not that having an ADL flight is a bad thing.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:25 am

Jetstar has sacked 4 flight attendants after they tried smuggling tobacco on a DPS-MEL flight last month

https://www.news.com.au/national/breaki ... 0c7108b267
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:42 am

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Newcastle media announcement tomorrow will include Virgin Australia.


There was mention in the NZ thread of VA increasing flights to NZ above what has already been announced- I can’t foresee anymore capacity on existing markets.

Super long shot - but could this be for VA, or TT to beat NZ to the punch for more regional AU Tasman flying? Use an AKL based aircraft.

If so I could see NZ move swiftly to HBA or CBR (should CBR they lower their charges ) to get in before VA, those markets couldn’t support more than one carrier, if any. Also rumours of NZ making CNS/MCY year round.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:43 am

eta unknown wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Newcastle Airport announcing special media announcement tomorrow at 230pm, apparently its a big deal according to the airport

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/1 ... 8075744256

Well, after the Fly Pelican ADL media storm a few months ago, what's next? Avalon?


I think you will all be far more impressed than the ADL announcement. Air Asia X confirming Newcastle tomorrow. They were spotted by numerous sources doing a photo shoot two weeks ago in Newcastle and Port Stephens.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:44 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Newcastle media announcement tomorrow will include Virgin Australia.


I remember reading a rumour on another forum that VA were close to announcing a new International Destination, could this be it?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:45 am

Newcastle media announcement tomorrow will include Virgin Australia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:07 am

danny999 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Newcastle Airport announcing special media announcement tomorrow at 230pm, apparently its a big deal according to the airport

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/1 ... 8075744256

Well, after the Fly Pelican ADL media storm a few months ago, what's next? Avalon?


I think you will all be far more impressed than the ADL announcement. Air Asia X confirming Newcastle tomorrow. They were spotted by numerous sources doing a photo shoot two weeks ago in Newcastle and Port Stephens.


A few years ago AAX were talking NTL. Will be interesting. I think it could work.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:07 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Newcastle media announcement tomorrow will include Virgin Australia.


There was mention in the NZ thread of VA increasing flights to NZ above what has already been announced- I can’t foresee anymore capacity on existing markets.

Super long shot - but could this be for VA, or TT to beat NZ to the punch for more regional AU Tasman flying? Use an AKL based aircraft.

If so I could see NZ move swiftly to HBA or CBR (should CBR they lower their charges ) to get in before VA, those markets couldn’t support more than one carrier, if any. Also rumours of NZ making CNS/MCY year round.


What, Virgin Australia announcing Newcastle-Auckland? Seems like a long shot! Maybe Virgin Australia is going to try and capitalise on pilot shortage by announcing a JV with Newcastle to support a pilot training academy? Good for Virgin Australia and the aviation industry, good for Newcastle and the region, capitalises on media interest in QF academy.


Lol- as I said super long shot!!

Wouldn’t NTL be too busy with RAAF movements, and commercials? Why not a smaller cheaper regional port? However a far better suggestion than mine of NTL-AKL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:09 am

smi0006 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Newcastle media announcement tomorrow will include Virgin Australia.


There was mention in the NZ thread of VA increasing flights to NZ above what has already been announced- I can’t foresee anymore capacity on existing markets.

Super long shot - but could this be for VA, or TT to beat NZ to the punch for more regional AU Tasman flying? Use an AKL based aircraft.

If so I could see NZ move swiftly to HBA or CBR (should CBR they lower their charges ) to get in before VA, those markets couldn’t support more than one carrier, if any. Also rumours of NZ making CNS/MCY year round.


What, Virgin Australia announcing Newcastle-Auckland? Seems like a long shot! Maybe Virgin Australia is going to try and capitalise on pilot shortage by announcing a JV with Newcastle to support a pilot training academy? Good for Virgin Australia and the aviation industry, good for Newcastle and the region, capitalises on media interest in QF academy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:25 am

VA already run there cadetship though Flight Training Adelaide so doubt it
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:30 am

Interesting that ADL seems to be performing stronger than PER for CZ.

Good news for ADL.

qf789 wrote:
VA says both VA and TT are committed to SWZ and will fly there from Day 1

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 4847333376


Given the amount of time until it opens, who’s knows what VA will look like by then.

Good to be optimistic on their part though :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:34 am

For what it's worth, attending the Newcastle media event on behalf of Virgin Australia will be Russell Shaw, 'General Manager Network and Revenue Management, Virgin Australia.'
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:37 am

there should 789 domestic flights from MEL to ADEL
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:37 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
For what it's worth, attending the Newcastle media event on behalf of Virgin Australia will be Russell Shaw, 'General Manager Network and Revenue Management, Virgin Australia.'


Will be interesting to see what it is.

Branching out onto an AKL route would be a bold move, but it may take some of that thinking to find a stronger position in the market.

Thinking of other options, maybe a PER service? Who knows.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:39 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
Interesting that ADL seems to be performing stronger than PER for CZ.

Good news for ADL.

qf789 wrote:
VA says both VA and TT are committed to SWZ and will fly there from Day 1

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 4847333376


Given the amount of time until it opens, who’s knows what VA will look like by then.

Good to be optimistic on their part though :)


Adelaide has a lot less services than Perth
So most in Perth hop on other carriers CZ i wouldnt of been first choice for outbound passengers
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:44 am

waoz1 wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
Interesting that ADL seems to be performing stronger than PER for CZ.

Good news for ADL.

qf789 wrote:
VA says both VA and TT are committed to SWZ and will fly there from Day 1

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 4847333376


Given the amount of time until it opens, who’s knows what VA will look like by then.

Good to be optimistic on their part though :)


Adelaide has a lot less services than Perth
So most in Perth hop on other carriers CZ i wouldnt of been first choice for outbound passengers


ADL is a much smaller city that was far later to the China market than PER. It’s an interesting comparison to look at.

ADL still has a competitive offering of flights that CZ are up against, including SQ, MH and CX, along with being closer to the major East Coast hubs.

It just appears that CZ has found a stronger market position overall at this point than it has in PER.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:14 pm

IndianicWorld wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
Interesting that ADL seems to be performing stronger than PER for CZ.

Good news for ADL.



Given the amount of time until it opens, who’s knows what VA will look like by then.

Good to be optimistic on their part though :)


Adelaide has a lot less services than Perth
So most in Perth hop on other carriers CZ i wouldnt of been first choice for outbound passengers


ADL is a much smaller city that was far later to the China market than PER. It’s an interesting comparison to look at.

ADL still has a competitive offering of flights that CZ are up against, including SQ, MH and CX, along with being closer to the major East Coast hubs.

It just appears that CZ has found a stronger market position overall at this point than it has in PER.


ADL is also a lot closer to MEL/SYD/BNE than what PER is. QF have been on record in saying previously Chinese passengers typically visit at least 2 cities when they visit Australia and as I have pointed out before Perth's isolation is a deterrent
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:22 pm

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IndianicWorld wrote:
waoz1 wrote:

Adelaide has a lot less services than Perth
So most in Perth hop on other carriers CZ i wouldnt of been first choice for outbound passengers


ADL is a much smaller city that was far later to the China market than PER. It’s an interesting comparison to look at.

ADL still has a competitive offering of flights that CZ are up against, including SQ, MH and CX, along with being closer to the major East Coast hubs.

It just appears that CZ has found a stronger market position overall at this point than it has in PER.


ADL is also a lot closer to MEL/SYD/BNE than what PER is. QF have been on record in saying previously Chinese passengers typically visit at least 2 cities when they visit Australia and as I have pointed out before Perth's isolation is a deterrent


Fully agree with that logic.

Some of my thinking though in terms of outbound demand is that there are many choices also available from ADL via the East Coast hubs which adds to the competitive landscape.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:36 pm

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Surely there isn't 300 passengers a day that want to travel between just AKL and ADL?

The 275 seat 789 will be used Tue Wed Fri Sun, and possibly Mon also as the AKL-IAH flight looks to be departing later.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:45 pm

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Newcastle Airport announcing special media announcement tomorrow at 230pm, apparently its a big deal according to the airport

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/1 ... 8075744256


Probably WOL or something haha
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:24 pm

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Interesting that ADL seems to be performing stronger than PER for CZ.

Good news for ADL.


In all honesty this isn’t much of a surprise. South Australia receives 38% more Chinese visitors compared to Western Australia, and Chinese visitor growth is faster for SA.

If you include CX then Perth still has more service to Greater China, but CX carry both a fairly high proportion of transfer traffic and a high poroportion of Australian point of sale traffic compared to the PRC carriers, which are disproportionately oriented to Chinese point of sale inbound traffic. For this traffic Adelaide is a larger market than Perth.

I’ve also heard from someone at CA that ADL will be there next Australian market but at this stage their is no timeframe as it isn’t a priority for them and there won’t be any further expansion in Australia until BNE is bedded down.

http://tourism.sa.gov.au/documents/CORP ... %7D&B=True

https://www.tourism.wa.gov.au/Publicati ... c%2017.pdf
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:56 pm

AKL/NTL worked quite well for Freedom Air apparently, until NZ pulled the pin on Freedom around 2003 I think it was & everyone from NTL area forced to go to SYD or fly to BNE to go international. Charter flights AKL/NTL/AKL twice a week, were due to commence in 2004 using a Royal Brunei B752. Very little support was given to this from NTL area & the idea was canned.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:49 pm

NTLDaz wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Newcastle Airport announcing special media announcement tomorrow at 230pm, apparently its a big deal according to the airport

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/1 ... 8075744256

Well, after the Fly Pelican ADL media storm a few months ago, what's next? Avalon?


As a proud Novocastrian I hope it's exciting but doubt it after the ADL debacle. Not that having an ADL flight is a bad thing.


I can't tell you what it is, but I do think you'll find it more exciting than FP/QQ to ADL! :P
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:59 pm

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AKL/NTL worked quite well for Freedom Air apparently, until NZ pulled the pin on Freedom around 2003 I think it was & everyone from NTL area forced to go to SYD or fly to BNE to go international. Charter flights AKL/NTL/AKL twice a week, were due to commence in 2004 using a Royal Brunei B752. Very little support was given to this from NTL area & the idea was canned.


There are NRL Rugby League teams in both Newcastle and Auckland which would generate some traffic - not sure how many fans travel internationally for regular season games though. Probably easier for the Central Coast (Gosford based) and Wellington A-League Soccer teams to travel via SYD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:20 am

I’m at DFW and see two QF 380s here. I would assume only one would need to be here at a time based on schedule. Is this typical or a special circumstance?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:23 am

MooLor wrote:
flyaustralian12 wrote:
AKL/NTL worked quite well for Freedom Air apparently, until NZ pulled the pin on Freedom around 2003 I think it was & everyone from NTL area forced to go to SYD or fly to BNE to go international. Charter flights AKL/NTL/AKL twice a week, were due to commence in 2004 using a Royal Brunei B752. Very little support was given to this from NTL area & the idea was canned.


There are NRL Rugby League teams in both Newcastle and Auckland which would generate some traffic - not sure how many fans travel internationally for regular season games though. Probably easier for the Central Coast (Gosford based) and Wellington A-League Soccer teams to travel via SYD.
a route like NTL/AKL can't survive just based on football teams. Lot of kiwis live around NTL apparently. Look at flying NTL/AKL vs SYD/AKL. It would add up to 5 hours travelling in each direction for anyone living near NTL to go via SYD + lots of additional costs.

Maybe a PER/NTL/AKL or CBR/NTL/AKL twice a week ?

Hell Air NZ could do that with an A320 either as a way of increasing PER/AKL services(they could call it direct) without having to use a widebody or give them more options on a PER/AKL. Air NZ can fly domestically in OZ much easier than any Australian airline.

A PER/NTL/AKL would be much easier than a PER/SYD/AKL. SYD/AKL is a very congested market & SYD is a mess(constant congestion/delays) & get the impression SYD charges would be much higher than NTL charges.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:24 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
For what it's worth, attending the Newcastle media event on behalf of Virgin Australia will be Russell Shaw, 'General Manager Network and Revenue Management, Virgin Australia.'


Will be interesting to see what it is.

Branching out onto an AKL route would be a bold move, but it may take some of that thinking to find a stronger position in the market.

Thinking of other options, maybe a PER service? Who knows.


PER would be an option on Tuesday and Saturday as the same aircraft appears to operate PER-HBA on Monday, Wednesday, Friday; and PER-CBR on Thursday, Sunday.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:31 am

TasFlyer wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
For what it's worth, attending the Newcastle media event on behalf of Virgin Australia will be Russell Shaw, 'General Manager Network and Revenue Management, Virgin Australia.'


Will be interesting to see what it is.

Branching out onto an AKL route would be a bold move, but it may take some of that thinking to find a stronger position in the market.

Thinking of other options, maybe a PER service? Who knows.


PER would be an option on Tuesday and Saturday as the same aircraft appears to operate PER-HBA on Monday, Wednesday, Friday; and PER-CBR on Thursday, Sunday.

branching out ? You make it sound like NTL/AKL has never been done before? successfully ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:38 am

According to this article Air Asia have been looking at Newcastle since 2007!

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2007-11-0 ... ion/715426
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:51 am

according to this Freedom pulled out of AKL/NTL before NZ closed them down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Air

You'd think VA could have got the numbers on AKL/NTL from NZ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:39 am

NTL-AKL 3xweekly but only a seasonal service to Feb 2019
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... nd-flights
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:43 am

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NTL-AKL 3xweekly but only a seasonal service to Feb 2019
https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... nd-flights


3weekly, and seasonal- nice nimble move by VA. Why not try before they commit. Well done to VA for thinking outside of the box.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:48 am

It's nice to see VA getting a little more creative and announcing expansion with PER-HBA and now NTL-AKL. I think if they focus on untapped markets where they can develop a niche for themselves as opposed to fighting QF head on, things could turn around.

I'd love to see PER-AYQ, MEL-BME OR HBA-AKL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:49 am

Aircraft is NZ based, operating AKL-NTL-AKL.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:55 am

wiggy wrote:
there should 789 domestic flights from MEL to ADEL



Mel Adelaide would be better served by frequency not by a 789
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:05 am

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HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:16 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

Cheers,

C.


How much of th Tasmanian market is cantered in HBA? For a date the size of Tassie, its pretty well served out of HBA,DPO and LST fragmenting the market someone with connections. But do agree this increases the chances of NZ more so than QF lunching CBR, and HBA- AKL. I’d imagine from a intimidation perspective the usage of NZ based aircraft is better. Interesting to see how the border will be staffed in NTL.

I would have thought with a hub in AKL to US,CA, AR and PI- NZ could have made a better go of of NTL, but credit to VA and their first mover advantage certainly can’t support two entrants!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:27 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

Cheers,

C.


Where will the AKL-NTL-AKL aircraft operate on the four days of the week that the AKL-NTL does not operate? Is this a third reason why HBA-AKL is now a lot more likely?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:32 am

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Where will the AKL-NTL-AKL aircraft operate on the four days of the week that the AKL-NTL does not operate? Is this a third reason why HBA-AKL is now a lot more likely?

I don't think it's linked to HBA - VA already this month has announced significant New Zealand expansion over and above what they already planned for, so the frame could be allocated to existing routes on those off days, like SYD / MEL / RAR - AKL. I'd love to be proven wrong, though! I also think that if they really wanted maximum impact for HBA - AKL, they would've announced it either today - alongside the NTL - AKL launch - or alternatively, during the PER - HBA launch recently.

However, I may be wrong.

See: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12088610.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:43 am

TasFlyer wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

Cheers,

C.


Where will the AKL-NTL-AKL aircraft operate on the four days of the week that the AKL-NTL does not operate? Is this a third reason why HBA-AKL is now a lot more likely?


It's not a new aircraft, the AKL based aircraft will rotate through the destinations VA serves ex-AKL. It's the same for OOL-AKL etc. Same crew will operate AKL-NTL-AKL presumably (with a 45min turn you'd think so).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:43 am

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It's not a new aircraft, the AKL based aircraft will rotate through the destinations VA serves ex-AKL. It's the same for OOL-AKL etc. Same crew will operate AKL-NTL-AKL presumably (with a 45min turn you'd think so).

On the days the frame is not serving AKL - NTL - AKL, it seems likely that it'll serve AKL - RAR - AKL. Both flights leave AKL mid-afternoon, and get back to AKL after midnight, on complementary days, with NTL served on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, and RAR served on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

Cheers,

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:10 am

Im more interested in announcements of TT entering the Tasman routes. THAT will be a big shake up for the routes with competition (mainly AKL, WLG, CHC and ZQN) on routes TT serves.

I'm literally itching for announcements and getting inpatient now.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:14 am

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Qantas16 wrote:
It's not a new aircraft, the AKL based aircraft will rotate through the destinations VA serves ex-AKL. It's the same for OOL-AKL etc. Same crew will operate AKL-NTL-AKL presumably (with a 45min turn you'd think so).

On the days the frame is not serving AKL - NTL - AKL, it seems likely that it'll serve AKL - RAR - AKL. Both flights leave AKL mid-afternoon, and get back to AKL after midnight, on complementary days, with NTL served on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, and RAR served on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

Cheers,

C.

Whilst you are probably right in short term, I'd be surprised if RAR continued to be operated by VA in the longer term. With the end of the NZ alliance, I can't help thinking that this route is a bit surplus. Cook Islands is not a prime holiday destination from AU and you'd think NZ will start serving the route itself going forward. AN did serve RAR directly from SYD in the '90s using a 762 though this route was subsidised by Cook Islands government. VA will not do SYD-RAR as it is too far for 73W and there is no way route would ever justify an A332.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:20 am

tullamarine wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
It's not a new aircraft, the AKL based aircraft will rotate through the destinations VA serves ex-AKL. It's the same for OOL-AKL etc. Same crew will operate AKL-NTL-AKL presumably (with a 45min turn you'd think so).

On the days the frame is not serving AKL - NTL - AKL, it seems likely that it'll serve AKL - RAR - AKL. Both flights leave AKL mid-afternoon, and get back to AKL after midnight, on complementary days, with NTL served on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, and RAR served on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

Cheers,

C.

Whilst you are probably right in short term, I'd be surprised if RAR continued to be operated by VA in the longer term. With the end of the NZ alliance, I can't help thinking that this route is a bit surplus. Cook Islands is not a prime holiday destination from AU and you'd think NZ will start serving the route itself going forward.

The NZ - VA alliance has no impact on AKL - RAR - the Pacific Islands was excluded from the alliance, due to competition concerns.

I see VA pulling the likes of AKL - TBU before AKL - RAR - Australian and New Zealand tourism to the Cooks is currently booming.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:44 am

The NZ - VA alliance has no impact on AKL - RAR - the Pacific Islands was excluded from the alliance, due to competition concerns.

I see VA pulling the likes of AKL - TBU before AKL - RAR - Australian and New Zealand tourism to the Cooks is currently booming.

Cheers,

C.


I looked into visiting there a couple of years ago and it was code shared which I assume will no longer be the case. Travel to Cook Islands may be booming from NZ but it is still very much an expensive to get to backwater from AU. It is a long way given Bali, Fiji, Noumea and Vanuatu are all closer. It requires a transit in AKL so it actually takes longer to get to than Hawaii and just a bit less than Tahiti. The flight times were always pretty dreadful with the return flight requiring a 3 hour stop in AKL in the middle of the night.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:53 am

smi0006 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

Cheers,

C.


How much of th Tasmanian market is cantered in HBA? For a date the size of Tassie, its pretty well served out of HBA,DPO and LST fragmenting the market someone with connections. But do agree this increases the chances of NZ more so than QF lunching CBR, and HBA- AKL. I’d imagine from a intimidation perspective the usage of NZ based aircraft is better. Interesting to see how the border will be staffed in NTL.

I would have thought with a hub in AKL to US,CA, AR and PI- NZ could have made a better go of of NTL, but credit to VA and their first mover advantage certainly can’t support two entrants!


Staffing the border won't be a problem- the Port is only a 10 minute drive down the road and foreign crews are coming and going 24 hours a day.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:00 am

Good on VA for trying something new, however part of me thinks the rationale for this route is a parting shot at NZ rather what should be business decision.

Unfortunately, when VA announces routes they quietly axe/reduce other routes.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:09 am

777ER wrote:
Im more interested in announcements of TT entering the Tasman routes. THAT will be a big shake up for the routes with competition (mainly AKL, WLG, CHC and ZQN) on routes TT serves.

I'm literally itching for announcements and getting inpatient now.


Eh... I doubt TT is in any shape to open a new base in AKL until they sort out their crewing/training issues in AU. Look at the progress (or lack thereof) for the fleet transition to 737NG that is suppose to be completed by July 2019!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:17 am

downdata wrote:
777ER wrote:
Im more interested in announcements of TT entering the Tasman routes. THAT will be a big shake up for the routes with competition (mainly AKL, WLG, CHC and ZQN) on routes TT serves.

I'm literally itching for announcements and getting inpatient now.


Eh... I doubt TT is in any shape to open a new base in AKL until they sort out their crewing/training issues in AU. Look at the progress (or lack thereof) for the fleet transition to 737NG that is suppose to be completed by July 2019!


I agree, and I actually believe secondary routes like NTL-AKL are quite the 'shake up' in themselves. It would be hard to come up with a cohesive argument that routes like this don't affect competition. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that VA, rather than TT, launching this route is incredibly telling!
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