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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:35 pm

As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:21 pm

angusjt wrote:
As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.


Personally I believe they’ll start a morning departure SYD-NRT route alongside HND.

They can just operate 787-9 to HND and 333/332 into NRT. Business class seats count on 787-9 doesn’t shrink that many compare to 744 and the loss of economy class seats can be offset by more capcacity into NRT.

In the route like HND business class revenue really is about everything and the loss of economy class revenue can partially offset by the fuel efficiency of 789. And transfer economy class capacity to NRT which will also allow them to fully utilise and intergrate the facility and operation they have in NRT.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:53 am

a19901213 wrote:
angusjt wrote:
As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.


Personally I believe they’ll start a morning departure SYD-NRT route alongside HND.

They can just operate 787-9 to HND and 333/332 into NRT. Business class seats count on 787-9 doesn’t shrink that many compare to 744 and the loss of economy class seats can be offset by more capcacity into NRT.

In the route like HND business class revenue really is about everything and the loss of economy class revenue can partially offset by the fuel efficiency of 789. And transfer economy class capacity to NRT which will also allow them to fully utilise and intergrate the facility and operation they have in NRT.


I agree, QF should absolutely be able to maintain 2x daily service (1xHND, 1xNRT) from SYD. The only issue is the current timetable to HND leaves a lot of ground time which isn't a very efficient use of a brand new aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 am

cpd wrote:
A delicious designer meal enjoyed on Qantas:

https://twitter.com/StevePurvinas/statu ... 40/photo/1

I don't know what everyone is whinging about. Right? :rotfl:


Still an improvement on what VA offer :D
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:36 am

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Btw, apologise if discussed (but didn't see any since I follow the thread); just noticed DHL has replaced SYD-AKL 757 flight with a 767 from DHL Air..... Curious if anyone knows this would be permanent or temporary?


permanent, as reported in press (e.g. nzherald.co.nz)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:13 am

brucetiki wrote:
cpd wrote:
A delicious designer meal enjoyed on Qantas:

https://twitter.com/StevePurvinas/statu ... 40/photo/1

I don't know what everyone is whinging about. Right? :rotfl:


Still an improvement on what VA offer :D

I think I'd prefer the VA muesli bar. Roast Fat & Gristle Sandwich has never been a favourite even if Neil Perry designed it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:29 am

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angusjt wrote:
As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.


Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:40 am

tullamarine wrote:
brucetiki wrote:
cpd wrote:
A delicious designer meal enjoyed on Qantas:

https://twitter.com/StevePurvinas/statu ... 40/photo/1

I don't know what everyone is whinging about. Right? :rotfl:


Still an improvement on what VA offer :D

I think I'd prefer the VA muesli bar. Roast Fat & Gristle Sandwich has never been a favourite even if Neil Perry designed it.


A well informed person would know Neil Perry has nothing to do with QF’s Y offerings. Likewise is Luke Mangan and the bird seed offered by VA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:57 am

cpd wrote:
A delicious designer meal enjoyed on Qantas:

https://twitter.com/StevePurvinas/statu ... 40/photo/1

I don't know what everyone is whinging about. Right? :rotfl:


Isnt that the Tony Sheldon special sandwich?. You need to "slow bake" the sandwich.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:24 am

bwvilla wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Btw, apologise if discussed (but didn't see any since I follow the thread); just noticed DHL has replaced SYD-AKL 757 flight with a 767 from DHL Air..... Curious if anyone knows this would be permanent or temporary?


permanent, as reported in press (e.g. nzherald.co.nz)


are we sure this is permanent & perhaps not related to this little mishap?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4b48f73a&opt=0
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:25 am

downdata wrote:
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angusjt wrote:
As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.


Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


Operating costs, the 78J is very efficient. SQ seat 336 on a 2 class 78J for comparison with 1-2-1 in J, QF seat 299 on the 333. QF might even put W? And then a 2 class 789 for thinner routes?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:56 am

cougar15 wrote:
bwvilla wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Btw, apologise if discussed (but didn't see any since I follow the thread); just noticed DHL has replaced SYD-AKL 757 flight with a 767 from DHL Air..... Curious if anyone knows this would be permanent or temporary?


permanent, as reported in press (e.g. nzherald.co.nz)


are we sure this is permanent & perhaps not related to this little mishap?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4b48f73a&opt=0


That was in Feb, the 767 arrived in June, it is said to be permanent and was given a water cannon salute on arrival at AKL and SYD which indicates that it may well be, I’ve also heard the 757 will be back so who knows?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:51 am

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... hong-kong/

QF is introducing a once weekly DRW-HKG freight service with the 767-300F from August.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:52 am

Just wondering, does QF fly the 767 freighter into Melbourne?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:15 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
Just wondering, does QF fly the 767 freighter into Melbourne?


Nah just SYD-AKL, SYD-CHC and SYD-HKG. I think Cairns also occasionally gets it as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:21 am

Some good news for PER - 5J is considering MNL - PER flights. Let's hope this doesn't fall by the wayside as rumoured new JL, MU and other flights have.

See: http://www.traveller.com.au/philippines ... ila-h134mx.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:22 am

oskarclare wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Just wondering, does QF fly the 767 freighter into Melbourne?


Nah just SYD-AKL, SYD-CHC and SYD-HKG. I think Cairns also occasionally gets it as well.


Wasn't the 767F also operating Hobart to China on a milk run or was that just a short term contract?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:30 am

Has anyone heard anything else on Vietjet Air to Brisbane. Hoping it doesn't go dead like Russia did for them
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:15 am

Qantas737 wrote:
oskarclare wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Just wondering, does QF fly the 767 freighter into Melbourne?


Nah just SYD-AKL, SYD-CHC and SYD-HKG. I think Cairns also occasionally gets it as well.


Wasn't the 767F also operating Hobart to China on a milk run or was that just a short term contract?


The Hobart to Ningbo freighter never got off the ground.

It was meant to start in early 2017 http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/11/hobart-gets-international-freighter-service/.

Then in April 2018 it was meant to start within weeks https://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/qantas-hopes-to-strike-deal-for-flights-from-tassie-to-asia-within-weeks/news-story/a8ee3d2f70fe750353afb8c01231030a.

Then a couple of weeks later the board of directors of the milk company all quit en masse https://www.themercury.com.au/business/moon-lake-directors-quit-en-masse-over-restructure-concerns/news-story/da1ae6a735812bd32e108ce69cb676fe.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:41 pm

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A delicious designer meal enjoyed on Qantas:
https://twitter.com/StevePurvinas/statu ... 40/photo/1


What a tosser that Purvinas is. You think he'd know that Neil Perry has nothing to do with catering in Y but Purvinas doesn't care about facts when he has an anti-QF axe to grind.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:59 pm

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Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


They could easily support a fleet of 6-8 premium-heavy 78Js for SIN, HKG and HND. I'm thinking something like 42J/21W/260Y alongside a fleet of 28J/260Y 789s -- similar Y count but a lot more premium seating for the markets where they send A380s and 744s (and soon, 42J 789s).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:03 pm

Not sure if this for this thread, but have there been any recent changes to the security screening at Australian airports? I recently flew SYD-PQQ-SYD. At SYD, when I went through security, I only had to take my Surface Pro 4 out of my backpack, my smaller Samsung tablet stayed in along with my DSLR and went through screening with no issues. At PQQ, I did the same and when my bag went through, they made me go back through the screening machine and take out my Samsung tablet as well. I asked and they said that all tablets have to be out now. Is this new or is it a case of a small town security screening agent not knowing what is going on? I fly semi-regularly and have never had any problems (other than the annoyance of about a 75% chance of being randomly selected for the explosive wand check after screening).
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:00 am

csturdiv wrote:
Not sure if this for this thread, but have there been any recent changes to the security screening at Australian airports? I recently flew SYD-PQQ-SYD. At SYD, when I went through security, I only had to take my Surface Pro 4 out of my backpack, my smaller Samsung tablet stayed in along with my DSLR and went through screening with no issues. At PQQ, I did the same and when my bag went through, they made me go back through the screening machine and take out my Samsung tablet as well. I asked and they said that all tablets have to be out now. Is this new or is it a case of a small town security screening agent not knowing what is going on? I fly semi-regularly and have never had any problems (other than the annoyance of about a 75% chance of being randomly selected for the explosive wand check after screening).


My understanding is that small tablets can stay in your bag unless you have two, in which case one needs to go separately. Not a security employee though so not sure what the exact regulations are!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:50 am

csturdiv wrote:
Not sure if this for this thread, but have there been any recent changes to the security screening at Australian airports? I recently flew SYD-PQQ-SYD. At SYD, when I went through security, I only had to take my Surface Pro 4 out of my backpack, my smaller Samsung tablet stayed in along with my DSLR and went through screening with no issues. At PQQ, I did the same and when my bag went through, they made me go back through the screening machine and take out my Samsung tablet as well. I asked and they said that all tablets have to be out now. Is this new or is it a case of a small town security screening agent not knowing what is going on? I fly semi-regularly and have never had any problems (other than the annoyance of about a 75% chance of being randomly selected for the explosive wand check after screening).


I don’t know the actual rule, but after been yelled at to take it out and been yelled at to put it in I always just take it out and put it in the tray with my phone and wallet.
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:38 am

I guess I cannot complain too much. Security screening processes in Australia are not as bad as they are in the US with the dog and pony TSA show. In the SYD QF domestic terminal, I can go from the bag drop and through security and be sitting at a bar with a beer in hand in 10-15 minutes (depending on how slow people are to put their junk in trays and on the belts). Can't get that in the US, unless using something like the paid pre-clearance options.
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:53 am

We have the right idea in this country, get everybody through security asap rather than creating a target with tightly packed queues of people (often in enclosed rooms with low ceilings) pre-screening.
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:41 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
downdata wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
angusjt wrote:
As the 747s are replaced by the 787s it opens up a lot of questions about routes like HND where the 787 is simply too small for QF to make the most out of it. I'd expect some of the free A330s being used to restart SYD-NRT to operate alongside a SYD-HND 787.

I believe that QF will inevitably purchase a batch of 787-10s when the A330-300s time is up.


Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


Operating costs, the 78J is very efficient. SQ seat 336 on a 2 class 78J for comparison with 1-2-1 in J, QF seat 299 on the 333. QF might even put W? And then a 2 class 789 for thinner routes?


No doubt 78J has better CASM than 789 but only if they can fill those extra seats..... If anything the recent strategy at QF seems to be capacity cuts after capacity cuts and spending as little capex as possible. We are talking about a company that chose to replace 744s with 789s!! The extra frequencies do not make up for the loss in seats.
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:58 am

^ I fully understand QF's premium-heavy (apparent) strategy, but find it a bit sad nonetheless. It's like they have waved the white flag and given up on the bulk of the Australian market - "I still call Australia home (if I'm willing to pay premium fares or top-dollar for Y)".

I know, I know, they must turn a profit. But aviation has become just another industry that has morphed from 'social contract' to 'shareholder value'. <sigh>
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:12 am

downdata wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
downdata wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


Operating costs, the 78J is very efficient. SQ seat 336 on a 2 class 78J for comparison with 1-2-1 in J, QF seat 299 on the 333. QF might even put W? And then a 2 class 789 for thinner routes?


No doubt 78J has better CASM than 789 but only if they can fill those extra seats..... If anything the recent strategy at QF seems to be capacity cuts after capacity cuts and spending as little capex as possible. We are talking about a company that chose to replace 744s with 789s!! The extra frequencies do not make up for the loss in seats.

Extra frequencies do not make up seat losses? Lol, funny you said that. The only (relatively) big loss is number of Y seat counts but it's easily enough to funnel through another gateway if you need them, or lower-fare ones anyway. Even with 2 789 flying SYD-TYO (assuming QF resumes NRT one once HND is downgauged) you still get 332 Y class seat and 84(!) C class seats. With LAX-BNE at 11x weekly, you effectively have C66 and W44 daily. Guess how many C and W on 744?

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Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:01 am

MooLor wrote:
^ I fully understand QF's premium-heavy (apparent) strategy, but find it a bit sad nonetheless. It's like they have waved the white flag and given up on the bulk of the Australian market - "I still call Australia home (if I'm willing to pay premium fares or top-dollar for Y)".

I know, I know, they must turn a profit. But aviation has become just another industry that has morphed from 'social contract' to 'shareholder value'. <sigh>


I think QF would argue they still have an economy product and the lower ends of the market is well-served by JetStar. Whether that is true probably depends on your experiences with JQ, which admittedly can vary from great to dire, but I assume that would be the company line.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:28 am

downdata wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
downdata wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


Operating costs, the 78J is very efficient. SQ seat 336 on a 2 class 78J for comparison with 1-2-1 in J, QF seat 299 on the 333. QF might even put W? And then a 2 class 789 for thinner routes?


No doubt 78J has better CASM than 789 but only if they can fill those extra seats..... If anything the recent strategy at QF seems to be capacity cuts after capacity cuts and spending as little capex as possible. We are talking about a company that chose to replace 744s with 789s!! The extra frequencies do not make up for the loss in seats.


If there’s no money to be made, what’s the point in spending money? People fall into this trap that QF is some kind of charity.

And it’s worth pointing out that QF international capacity has actually grown.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:52 am

downdata wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
downdata wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

Why 78j? 789 is a perfect replacement for A333 in terms of seating. 78j is quite an upgauge.


Operating costs, the 78J is very efficient. SQ seat 336 on a 2 class 78J for comparison with 1-2-1 in J, QF seat 299 on the 333. QF might even put W? And then a 2 class 789 for thinner routes?


No doubt 78J has better CASM than 789 but only if they can fill those extra seats..... If anything the recent strategy at QF seems to be capacity cuts after capacity cuts and spending as little capex as possible. We are talking about a company that chose to replace 744s with 789s!! The extra frequencies do not make up for the loss in seats.

You seem to be forgetting the 12 A380 that replaced about half the B744s!

Gemuser
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:17 am

QF Intl has definitely grown over time, but lost market share (even if you add in Jetstar Intl)

But it's no surprise given it's cost base (wages - of crew, maintenance, other services and management) and end of line status.

It has to focus on routes and cabins where it can get a yield premium.
 
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:45 am

ZNE is operating its first international service as QF9
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Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:20 am

I think its amazing that once upon a time QF was losing money hand over fist and some were "QF is done for", by by kangaroo. Now that it's being run like an airline should, and reaping the benefits there are some that..................!! You can't keep everybody happy all the time can you??
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:37 am

Local industry has thrown their weight in supporting the need for the third runway (3R/21L) at PER

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 4zt9r.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:34 pm

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Some good news for PER - 5J is considering MNL - PER flights. Let's hope this doesn't fall by the wayside as rumoured new JL, MU and other flights have.

See: http://www.traveller.com.au/philippines ... ila-h134mx.

Cheers,

C.


Let's get a few facts straight rather than the untruth's that are being told. Firstly Perth Airport has set a 2-3 year target to have a non-stop service to Japan and another one to China. The MU flight commitment was made by a politician, MU has not confirmed anything but if want to believe in what a politician says you probably believe that you will find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Perth Airport has also stated that a Japan service wont happen this year but either in 2019 or 2020, Im not sure how someone can consider that gone by the wayside. We also have the prospect of a flight from India plus future flights to Europe.

As I have pointed out many times one of the deterrents to both new airlines to PER and people to PER is our isolation. That is something that can not be fixed, its something that has to be worked around. Secondly PER is not going to see a pile of new services every year like MEL & SYD do, we will be lucky to secure 1 or 2 airlines or new services a year. So far this year we have seen

QF add PER-LHR
QF increase freqency PER-SIN from daily up to 2 daily prior to their pilot woes
SQ has replaced one A333 service to 787-10 or 10 % increase for that 1 service
MH has added a second daily flight on most days
MK has added a third weekly flight compared to 2 weekly a year ago
CZ is operating at a higher frequency than a year ago
CX has added the A359 compared to the A333 a year ago, its only a matter of time before the 3 weekly morning flight is upgraded
QR has increased capacity, 77W-A388
Malindo in recent weeks has operated mostly with 739 equipment compared to the usual 738
EK is currently operating EK424/425 with 77W instead of 77L
GA - additional weekly service to CGK

Airlines that have reduced frequency or capacity include
D7 - downgraded to 1 daily in Feb along with reducing frequency on OOL and SYD
EY- cancelling services from October

Airlines that capacity or services remain the same
TG - daily 788
TR- daily 788/9
QZ - 3 daily A320
GA - daily 738 to DPS, A333 in peak season
NZ - no change in current schedule or seasonal flying
SA - Daily most of the year with quiet months a 5 weekly, A346 is being flown more than last year
ID - 2 daily 739
JQ - 2 daily A320 to DPS, daily A320 PER-DPS-SIN remains unchanged

Another issue confronting new airlines is lack of gate space at peak times, that being 500-800, 1400-1800 and 2230-130. Another thing with gate space that needs to be considered is that shortly once Terminal 5 begins construction Gate 55, only with parking stand 56 will be decommissioned which will result in more congestion, while Gate 50 is a swing gate it is almost excusively used by International, in the past 2 months I have only seen VA use it for domestic once. Essentially we will be back to 5 gates and if it is anything like last Sunday, there were 11 aircraft on the International apron and no where to move hence why there was a Batik 739 towed to T3 for parking earlier this week. It is alright parking aircraft on other ramps whether its on the T1/T2 domestic ramp or over the otherside at T3/T4 at certain times but before 8am or after 3-4pm its not practical as that when the domestic ramps start to fill up. Also landing/departure slots are very hard to get in the 500-800 timeslot due to the number of regional departures to places such as ZNE,PHE,KTA,BME,KGI,CJF,LEA,PBO,ONS,CJE,TEF,GET,OCM,LVO,WME,CKW,SLJ,BQB,LER,CVQ,WLP,WUN,WWI,YGIA etc

Finally I will speak for all PER a.netters the constant bagging on PER is getting quite old. We all realise that PER isnt perfect but neither are SYD, MEL or your beloved AKL and trust me you do want to get me started on MEL or SYD failures because I will have a field day. If you do think that you need to get out more.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:44 pm

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QF Intl has definitely grown over time, but lost market share (even if you add in Jetstar Intl)

But it's no surprise given it's cost base (wages - of crew, maintenance, other services and management) and end of line status.

It has to focus on routes and cabins where it can get a yield premium.


You will find QF’s market share has increased over the past 24 months. Check the BITRE figures. But it’s something they probably shouldn’t be chasing anyway. You can’t expect QF to add flights every time an airline announces new flights to Australia.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:55 pm

5J to PER would be fantastic, and probably more suited to the market than PR. A route perfect for the 321neo.

I have to say, the one route that I am surprised has lasted after all these years is PER-BKI on MH. It's just such an oddball flight for an airline with financial woes. Pretty crazy to think it was only 15 years ago MH was flying A330's from Perth to Kuching too.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:00 pm

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5J to PER would be fantastic, and probably more suited to the market than PR. A route perfect for the 321neo.

I have to say, the one route that I am surprised has lasted after all these years is PER-BKI on MH. It's just such an oddball flight for an airline with financial woes. Pretty crazy to think it was only 15 years ago MH was flying A330's from Perth to Kuching too.


I think that with the rise of A320NEO and 737MAX aircraft becoming more dominate (797 in the future), we will see alot of airlines, especially LCC's opening up alot of secondary cities within Asia (mostly Indonesia and Malaysia) to Australia.

We have millions of people just on our doorstep, and these countries are developing fast with rising middle classes, Australia is the closest to Western culture they can get to which makes it more appealing. Malindo Air, Philippines Airlines sending over narrowbody aircraft is just the beginning. PER has been lucky enough to have been close to Asia, and airlines have experimented with flights to Lombok for example and MH's current service to BKI.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:08 pm

qf789 wrote:
The MU flight commitment was made by a politician, MU has not confirmed anything ...

MU confirmed it was considering PER in May 2017. WA media then reported that there was a "commitment" from MU's Chairman to WA's Premier on PVG - PER flights, in November 2017. That "commitment" has fallen by the wayside - nothing has been announced by MU, and 9 months have passed.

See: https://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern- ... ai-flights and https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/direct-f ... b88659420z.

qf789 wrote:
Perth Airport has also stated that a Japan service wont happen this year but either in 2019 or 2020 ...

You say that there's a 2-3 year timeframe in which to secure a Japanese service - well, both JL and NH were considering PER back in 2015 (according to JL's Chairman and NH's President), which already is 3 years ago (see links below). Time and time again, such hype has fallen by the wayside.

See: https://www.ausbt.com.au/japan-airlines ... yo-flights and https://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-eyes-perth ... apan-route.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:32 pm

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I will speak for all PER a.netters the constant bagging on PER is getting quite old.

I merely expressed a hope that 5J at PER would work out, when JL, MU and others haven't. To you, this may be "bagging," but it's not. I support PER's recovery and would like to see more flights there. I don't want to be difficult about this, but I feel that it's important to point out that, whenever PER's issues (or any other issues) are mentioned, that's often linked to actual developments, which are worthy of consideration in the forum.

Cheers,

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:37 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The MU flight commitment was made by a politician, MU has not confirmed anything ...

MU confirmed it was considering PER in May 2017. WA media then reported that there was a "commitment" from MU's Chairman to WA's Premier on PVG - PER flights, in November 2017. That "commitment" has fallen by the wayside - nothing has been announced by MU, and 9 months have passed.

See: https://www.ausbt.com.au/china-eastern- ... ai-flights and https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/direct-f ... b88659420z.

qf789 wrote:
Perth Airport has also stated that a Japan service wont happen this year but either in 2019 or 2020 ...

You say that there's a 2-3 year timeframe in which to secure a Japanese service - well, both JL and NH were considering PER back in 2015 (according to JL's Chairman and NH's President), which already is 3 years ago (see links below). Time and time again, such hype has fallen by the wayside.

See: https://www.ausbt.com.au/japan-airlines ... yo-flights and https://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-eyes-perth ... apan-route.

Cheers,

C.


Utter crap. Perth Airport stated that they hoped to get a service to Tokyo and Shanghai within 2 years (I had originally thought it was 2-3 years but upon finding the article it is 2)

https://thewest.com.au/travel/new-route ... b88522607z

I am not going to comment on this any further. Its worthless debating it or anyone else for that matter, when you insist on having all the answers all the time. Not much of a conversation. I am sick and tired with the way you engage with other users, you show no or little respect and until further notice I refuse to partake in any thread you participate in, including this one.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:37 pm

qf789 wrote:
Utter crap. Perth Airport stated that they hoped to get a service to Tokyo and Shanghai within 2 years (I had originally thought it was 2-3 years but upon finding the article it is 2)

https://thewest.com.au/travel/new-route ... b88522607z

Thanks for the article. Well, here's hoping they can pull this off and secure the new flights. At least JL / NH seem somewhat keen.

qf789 wrote:
I am not going to comment on this any further. Its worthless debating it or anyone else for that matter, when you insist on having all the answers all the time. Not much of a conversation. I am sick and tired with the way you engage with other users, you show no or little respect and until further notice I refuse to partake in any thread you participate in, including this one.

I'm sorry that you feel this way, qf789. Please don't leave the thread - I will instead, as your contribution is much greater than mine.

Cheers,

C.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:47 pm

As I have pointed out many times one of the deterrents to both new airlines to PER and people to PER is our isolation. That is something that can not be fixed, its something that has to be worked around. Secondly PER is not going to see a pile of new services every year like MEL & SYD do, we will be lucky to secure 1 or 2 airlines or new services a year. So far this year we have seen


Isolation is not the issue by itself; it is the isolation along with a comparatively low population catchment. AKL is also effectively isolated, alone in the Pacific but it has an effective population catchment of 4 million as it is the only international hub in the country even though the metro population is actually smaller than PER. PER has a population catchment of just over 1.6 million and this is not going to grow rapidly. This means its population is about 1/3 of MEL or SYD so it is never going to attract the variety of services those larger cities do. Even BNE with an urban population only 250000 more than PER, attracts more services principally because the catchment population that would use BNE is much larger once you consider the SE QLD conurbation which includes the Gold and Sunshine Coasts.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:02 am

Anyone know the date of the final QF B744 service to HKG?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:21 am

tullamarine wrote:
As I have pointed out many times one of the deterrents to both new airlines to PER and people to PER is our isolation. That is something that can not be fixed, its something that has to be worked around. Secondly PER is not going to see a pile of new services every year like MEL & SYD do, we will be lucky to secure 1 or 2 airlines or new services a year. So far this year we have seen


Isolation is not the issue by itself; it is the isolation along with a comparatively low population catchment. AKL is also effectively isolated, alone in the Pacific but it has an effective population catchment of 4 million as it is the only international hub in the country even though the metro population is actually smaller than PER. PER has a population catchment of just over 1.6 million and this is not going to grow rapidly. This means its population is about 1/3 of MEL or SYD so it is never going to attract the variety of services those larger cities do. Even BNE with an urban population only 250000 more than PER, attracts more services principally because the catchment population that would use BNE is much larger once you consider the SE QLD conurbation which includes the Gold and Sunshine Coasts.


IMHO isolation IS the problem! Consider your comparison AKL. Yes it is isolated BUT its catchment is 4.something million, as you state, which is double the entire population of WA and PER makes no sense as a hub for the north of the state. But again you need to consider what is around the city. AKL has SYD, MEL & BNE [and their hinterlands] within 3 hours flying time Perth has just ADL & MEL within the same. so AKL have about 15 million people within the 1500 nm, PER about 5 or six within the three hours.
AKL makes a reasonable hub for eastern Australia to North America. Perth makes no reasonable hub for the east to nowhere UNTIL this year and IMHO that is only temporarily true until project Sunrise bears fruit [of course assuming it does].
So IMHO PER is more isolated than AKL

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:04 am

AKL makes a reasonable hub for eastern Australia to North America

....but a fairly unnecessary one. From the main AU population centres you can fly to LAX, SFO, DFW, IAH, HNL and YVR. The only reason you'd be compelled to use AKL is price or an overwhelming need to use NZ.

One of the rumoured reasons for the NZ/VA break-up was Luxon wanted VA to abandon int'l services and direct North American traffic through AKL on NZ. VA and its shareholders correctly realised there was nothing in this for them and only something for NZ and turned him down; the rest is history.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:48 am

qf789 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Some good news for PER - 5J is considering MNL - PER flights. Let's hope this doesn't fall by the wayside as rumoured new JL, MU and other flights have.

See: http://www.traveller.com.au/philippines ... ila-h134mx.

Cheers,

C.


Let's get a few facts straight rather than the untruth's that are being told. Firstly Perth Airport has set a 2-3 year target to have a non-stop service to Japan and another one to China. The MU flight commitment was made by a politician, MU has not confirmed anything but if want to believe in what a politician says you probably believe that you will find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Perth Airport has also stated that a Japan service wont happen this year but either in 2019 or 2020, Im not sure how someone can consider that gone by the wayside. We also have the prospect of a flight from India plus future flights to Europe.

As I have pointed out many times one of the deterrents to both new airlines to PER and people to PER is our isolation. That is something that can not be fixed, its something that has to be worked around. Secondly PER is not going to see a pile of new services every year like MEL & SYD do, we will be lucky to secure 1 or 2 airlines or new services a year. So far this year we have seen

QF add PER-LHR
QF increase freqency PER-SIN from daily up to 2 daily prior to their pilot woes
SQ has replaced one A333 service to 787-10 or 10 % increase for that 1 service
MH has added a second daily flight on most days
MK has added a third weekly flight compared to 2 weekly a year ago
CZ is operating at a higher frequency than a year ago
CX has added the A359 compared to the A333 a year ago, its only a matter of time before the 3 weekly morning flight is upgraded
QR has increased capacity, 77W-A388
Malindo in recent weeks has operated mostly with 739 equipment compared to the usual 738
EK is currently operating EK424/425 with 77W instead of 77L
GA - additional weekly service to CGK

Airlines that have reduced frequency or capacity include
D7 - downgraded to 1 daily in Feb along with reducing frequency on OOL and SYD
EY- cancelling services from October

Airlines that capacity or services remain the same
TG - daily 788
TR- daily 788/9
QZ - 3 daily A320
GA - daily 738 to DPS, A333 in peak season
NZ - no change in current schedule or seasonal flying
SA - Daily most of the year with quiet months a 5 weekly, A346 is being flown more than last year
ID - 2 daily 739
JQ - 2 daily A320 to DPS, daily A320 PER-DPS-SIN remains unchanged

Another issue confronting new airlines is lack of gate space at peak times, that being 500-800, 1400-1800 and 2230-130. Another thing with gate space that needs to be considered is that shortly once Terminal 5 begins construction Gate 55, only with parking stand 56 will be decommissioned which will result in more congestion, while Gate 50 is a swing gate it is almost excusively used by International, in the past 2 months I have only seen VA use it for domestic once. Essentially we will be back to 5 gates and if it is anything like last Sunday, there were 11 aircraft on the International apron and no where to move hence why there was a Batik 739 towed to T3 for parking earlier this week. It is alright parking aircraft on other ramps whether its on the T1/T2 domestic ramp or over the otherside at T3/T4 at certain times but before 8am or after 3-4pm its not practical as that when the domestic ramps start to fill up. Also landing/departure slots are very hard to get in the 500-800 timeslot due to the number of regional departures to places such as ZNE,PHE,KTA,BME,KGI,CJF,LEA,PBO,ONS,CJE,TEF,GET,OCM,LVO,WME,CKW,SLJ,BQB,LER,CVQ,WLP,WUN,WWI,YGIA etc

Finally I will speak for all PER a.netters the constant bagging on PER is getting quite old. We all realise that PER isnt perfect but neither are SYD, MEL or your beloved AKL and trust me you do want to get me started on MEL or SYD failures because I will have a field day. If you do think that you need to get out more.



Havent been on for a while... spot on :)
Seems a few love to have a Perth dig at any opportunity. (werent so mental when Brissy had a few reductions this week).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:00 am

tullamarine wrote:
AKL makes a reasonable hub for eastern Australia to North America

....but a fairly unnecessary one. From the main AU population centres you can fly to LAX, SFO, DFW, IAH, HNL and YVR. The only reason you'd be compelled to use AKL is price or an overwhelming need to use NZ.

One of the rumoured reasons for the NZ/VA break-up was Luxon wanted VA to abandon int'l services and direct North American traffic through AKL on NZ. VA and its shareholders correctly realised there was nothing in this for them and only something for NZ and turned him down; the rest is history.

Unnecessary, yes; at least fairly successful also yes. But it still increases connectivity and reduces isolation by offering more choice.

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