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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:50 pm

This has been known for a while. But yes it is a good thing. haha I can’t wait for the two, who I will not mention, to find some negativity in this
 
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DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:50 pm

DL's first 777 was unveiled today after a cabin refit. The interesting thing is DL retained the 3x3x3 seating in economy while their competition, US and foreign have mostly gone with a more dense configuration.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 19-449883/
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:56 pm

Good!
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:58 pm

This has been known since May of 2017.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 pm

When they announced the refit, they stated that they were keeping the 3-3-3 because they felt that would differentiate them more positively from the other two of the US3. And I thank them for it...as I am one of the few who intentionally avoids the 777s as much as possible if they're 3-4-3 config.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 pm

Its a positive move for DL. However, the DL 777 fleet is tiny compared to AA and UA so probably an easier decision for them.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:13 pm

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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:15 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
Its a positive move for DL. However, the DL 777 fleet is tiny compared to AA and UA so probably an easier decision for them.


I think it's more the fact that they could maintain (actually even grow by 5) the seat count of the entire aircraft without going to 3-4-3 in Y that helped cement the decision to remain 3-3-3. DL's current 777s have 291 seats in total while the refurbished one has 296.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:19 pm

mmo wrote:
DL's first 777 was unveiled today after a cabin refit. The interesting thing is DL retained the 3x3x3 seating in economy while their competition, US and foreign have mostly gone with a more dense configuration.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 19-449883/


It’s actually been back in revenue service for a few days now, did a ATL-LAX-PVG-LAX run and was ferried to DTW last night.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:27 pm

Even at 3-3-3, DLs 772s actually carry more passengers than UAs and AAs do, which I'd assume is what tipped the balance in favor of remaining 3-3-3.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:28 pm

panamair wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
Its a positive move for DL. However, the DL 777 fleet is tiny compared to AA and UA so probably an easier decision for them.


I think it's more the fact that they could maintain (actually even grow by 5) the seat count of the entire aircraft without going to 3-4-3 in Y that helped cement the decision to remain 3-3-3. DL's current 777s have 291 seats in total while the refurbished one has 296.

:checkmark:
Delta is keeping Y comfort which is great for most of us, but they are shrinking the size of their J cabin and replacing it with Y+ rather than adding Y+ while maintaining J cabin size. UA and AA are both keeping large J cabins, so Y needs to be 10 abreast to keep the seat count up to make the numbers work.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:38 pm

DL's decision to differentiate itself from competitors by maintaining economy class comfort in 777s is consistent with its A350 and A330 orders for fleet renewal. Similar economy comfort levels will be availble on all its long haul routes.

DL is rumoured to be in pole position to launch the B797. I wonder how the economy seat density in a DL 797 for shorter routes will compare with this. And also how it will compare with its upcoming C Series.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:42 pm

Polot wrote:
panamair wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
Its a positive move for DL. However, the DL 777 fleet is tiny compared to AA and UA so probably an easier decision for them.


I think it's more the fact that they could maintain (actually even grow by 5) the seat count of the entire aircraft without going to 3-4-3 in Y that helped cement the decision to remain 3-3-3. DL's current 777s have 291 seats in total while the refurbished one has 296.

:checkmark:
Delta is keeping Y comfort which is great for most of us, but they are shrinking the size of their J cabin and replacing it with Y+ rather than adding Y+ while maintaining J cabin size. UA and AA are both keeping large J cabins, so Y needs to be 10 abreast to keep the seat count up to make the numbers work.


Comfort Plus is gone, replaced by 2x4x2 Premium Select. So have they fitted the A350s, now starting with the 777s.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:54 pm

mmo wrote:
DL's first 777 was unveiled today after a cabin refit. The interesting thing is DL retained the 3x3x3 seating in economy while their competition, US and foreign have mostly gone with a more dense configuration.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 19-449883/


Delta 777 fleet is VERY tiny compared to AA and UA especially compared to UA massive 777 fleet so it’s easy for them to stay at 3-3-3
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:55 pm

While at first glance this appears to be passenger comfort related, I am sure at the heart of it there is a business case to be made for leaving Y in 3 x 3 x 3 and total capacity under 300.

Perhaps it’s the fact they don’t need the extra seats and it enables better yield management. Perhaps there are crew staffing costs. Perhaps it would’ve made the refit more expensive?

Lots of other factors tend to come into play. However DL has stated that in their network they don’t have many routes that need aircraft with more than 300 seats. They used to say the 744 was challenging to schedule because the network could only support it on a handful of routes.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:07 pm

You've got to give it to Delta, they just keep making moves that seem so consumer-oriented. It's amazing to see an airline that's making moves to increase passenger comfort, rather than degrade it, and cut costs *cough* BA *cough*

Whether it's retaining IFE, outfitting short haul cabins to a really high standard, free seat selection or typically better service than UA (and to an extent AA) credit has to be awarded where it's due
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:14 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
While at first glance this appears to be passenger comfort related, I am sure at the heart of it there is a business case to be made for leaving Y in 3 x 3 x 3 and total capacity under 300.

Perhaps it’s the fact they don’t need the extra seats and it enables better yield management. Perhaps there are crew staffing costs. Perhaps it would’ve made the refit more expensive?

Lots of other factors tend to come into play. However DL has stated that in their network they don’t have many routes that need aircraft with more than 300 seats. They used to say the 744 was challenging to schedule because the network could only support it on a handful of routes.


Yes on many fronts. Most 777 trips right now have more than 6 F/A, so the savings is less about crew staffing although it would have potentially triggered the pilot contract (but I'm out on limb on that one). This does let DL keep more cargo weight and they have a strong cargo biz on several 777 routes. I don't think you should underestimate the value in selling Y tickets especially to Australia and South Africa plus soon to India. (I know yields on some Cali-Australia and nearly all routes to India aren't great) But this allows DL to keep up with VA and Air India with 3-3-3 plus gives them an advantage over Middle East and carriers--a reason to charge a slight premium on JFK-BOM vs. EK. If DL can't generate a slightly higher price on its eventual US-BOM route, look for them to change seating.

But for once, let's be happy DL is doing something that's good for its customers.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:30 pm

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You've got to give it to Delta, they just keep making moves that seem so consumer-oriented. It's amazing to see an airline that's making moves to increase passenger comfort, rather than degrade it, and cut costs *cough* BA *cough*


BA was one of the last airlines to decide to make the change to 10 abreast economy on the 777. And infact the aircraft with 17F seats, some of the more recently refurbished LHR fleet and the 777-300ERs remain 9 abreast. You can't single them out here.

With number of aircraft to be converted, the economics are very different for BA than for Delta, having a total fleet of 18. BA are also repurposing the 777-200ER fleet for more high density, lower yield routes as the 787-9 and later 787-10/A350 completely replace their previous use on more premium routes with a 4-class cabin. The potential revenue gain from the economy seating is vital with the Business cabin being reduced in size for the aircraft's new role, and the Premium Economy cabin being increased for the same purpose. In effect a nose-to-tail refit. The Delta fleet isn't going through the role change that the BA fleet is, more and more of the latter likely to move onto more leisure-focused routes from both LGW and LHR.

I know its fashionable to bash BA at the moment, and there's plenty to criticise. But have to say, they clung on to the 9 abreast layout with the 777 longer than just about anyone. The fleet was introduced over 22 years ago, and the older half of the fleet have already gone through a complete nose-to-tail reconfiguration and IFE upgrade about 8 years ago.

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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:37 pm

Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.
 
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Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:18 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
You've got to give it to Delta, they just keep making moves that seem so consumer-oriented. It's amazing to see an airline that's making moves to increase passenger comfort, rather than degrade it, and cut costs *cough* BA *cough*

Whether it's retaining IFE, outfitting short haul cabins to a really high standard, free seat selection or typically better service than UA (and to an extent AA) credit has to be awarded where it's due


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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:29 pm

Crosswind wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
You've got to give it to Delta, they just keep making moves that seem so consumer-oriented. It's amazing to see an airline that's making moves to increase passenger comfort, rather than degrade it, and cut costs *cough* BA *cough*


BA was one of the last airlines to decide to make the change to 10 abreast economy on the 777. And infact the aircraft with 17F seats, some of the more recently refurbished LHR fleet and the 777-300ERs remain 9 abreast. You can't single them out here.

With number of aircraft to be converted, the economics are very different for BA than for Delta, having a total fleet of 18. BA are also repurposing the 777-200ER fleet for more high density, lower yield routes as the 787-9 and later 787-10/A350 completely replace their previous use on more premium routes with a 4-class cabin. The potential revenue gain from the economy seating is vital with the Business cabin being reduced in size for the aircraft's new role, and the Premium Economy cabin being increased for the same purpose. In effect a nose-to-tail refit. The Delta fleet isn't going through the role change that the BA fleet is, more and more of the latter likely to move onto more leisure-focused routes from both LGW and LHR.

I know its fashionable to bash BA at the moment, and there's plenty to criticise. But have to say, they clung on to the 9 abreast layout with the 777 longer than just about anyone. The fleet was introduced over 22 years ago, and the older half of the fleet have already gone through a complete nose-to-tail reconfiguration and IFE upgrade about 8 years ago.

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You're right, there's so many airlines who've gone 10-abreast, it's just a shame. My argument against BA should perhaps have come across more generally around their constant cost cutting drive. It's a premium airline that has decimated the 'premium' bit of its offering, when it was making a very tidy profit and just didn't need to. Whether it's tired cabins, costly food on short haul, dated business offering (I know they're launching the new product shortly, but it'll be years before that's rolled out...), poor legroom, it's just refreshing to see an airline like Delta seemingly doing the opposite, and so successfully...
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:31 pm

rbavfan wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
You've got to give it to Delta, they just keep making moves that seem so consumer-oriented. It's amazing to see an airline that's making moves to increase passenger comfort, rather than degrade it, and cut costs *cough* BA *cough*

Whether it's retaining IFE, outfitting short haul cabins to a really high standard, free seat selection or typically better service than UA (and to an extent AA) credit has to be awarded where it's due


Comfort if your not on a domestic flight. then its stuff you in at 30-31".


31 inches for us Europeans is basically extra legroom :hyper:
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:03 pm

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Even at 3-3-3, DLs 772s actually carry more passengers than UAs and AAs do, which I'd assume is what tipped the balance in favor of remaining 3-3-3.


Maybe thats because the business cabin, or Delta One cabin, has a lot less seats than AA and UA in their business class cabins so naturally, there are more premium select/main cabin seats in the back? At least those in the back will be somewhat more comfortable than if they were on AA/UA
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:03 pm

I don't understand the posters who say it's easier for DL to keep 9 across in Y because they have fewer T7's. What difference does it make?
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:18 pm

What was the Y seat pitch on DL 777 prior to mods? Post mods?

I wonder if DL will use 3-3-3 to their advantage in advertising?
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:25 pm

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The shareholders aren't going to be pleased.


Wall Street disagrees with you. Current market cap:

DL: 35.02B
UA: 19.66B
AA: 17.96B

DL is way ahead of its US3 competition as far as investors are concerned.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:26 pm

Antarius wrote:
Chaostheory wrote:
Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.


DL also charges for checked bags: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... ecked.html


I think what Chaostheory meant is that DL is the only US3 carrier that does not charge for carry on baggage with basic economy fares.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:27 pm

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The shareholders aren't going to be pleased.

Ya know what? Screw em. It shouldn't be all about them 100% of the time. And since the pax are the ones paying the $$ that in turn feeds the bottom line, the positive PR and possible increase in traffic to DL because of this (note: POSSIBLE) could be worth it in the long run. After all, look at how the "bags fly free" is working out for WN vs everyone else.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:34 pm

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Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.


DL also charges for checked bags: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... ecked.html
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:21 am

https://thedesignair.net/2018/06/18/del ... ne-suites/

That site has some more photos, as well as full ones of the YCL cabin. YCL looks very impressive, IMO.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:23 am

Looking forward to the suites on the ER's & LR's. Done six segments on the A350 in the suites. Overall I am very pleased with the suites Does anyone have any insight as when the suite retrofitted ER or LR will be put on ATL-NRT-ATL?
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:01 am

Antarius wrote:
Chaostheory wrote:
Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.


DL also charges for checked bags: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... ecked.html


I think he was referring to carry-on luggage. Both AA and UA do not allow a full size carry-on.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:28 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Chaostheory wrote:
Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.


DL also charges for checked bags: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... ecked.html


I think he was referring to carry-on luggage. Both AA and UA do not allow a full size carry-on.


Assuming you are talking about a basic economy fare...on a regular economy ticket all three airlines allow you one carry on bag 9*14*22 and one personal item.

The retrofitted cabin does look quite nice but as others have pointed out this is not news (at least on this site.)
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:26 am

While 3x3x3 is good, if its just my wife and I traveling I would go out of my way to book an A330 or 767 to get the 2 side for a more pleasant and private flight. I purposely avoided the 777 on a CDG-DTW flight a few years ago for that very reason.

Same reason why I have no problems with the MD88/MD90 over 737/A320 on domestic.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:47 am

3x3x3 is certainly better than 3x4x3 but I'll still take a 767/A330 with the 2 side.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:58 am

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Looking forward to the suites on the ER's & LR's. Done six segments on the A350 in the suites. Overall I am very pleased with the suites Does anyone have any insight as when the suite retrofitted ER or LR will be put on ATL-NRT-ATL?


Not sure when that will happen, but talk is ATL-NRT will be going A359 at some point.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

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This has been known for a while. But yes it is a good thing. haha I can’t wait for the two, who I will not mention, to find some negativity in this


It's DL 24/7 on here, wow!

This has already been discussed on TWO other posts to do with the 777 retrofit. As much as I continue to dislike DL, I think its great that they have retained 3x3x3.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

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31 inches for us Europeans is basically extra legroom :hyper:

It's Business Class legroom! :rotfl:
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:30 am

Yeah I’m still waiting for someone to explain why a couple people feel that they are maintaining this because of it’s “small 777 fleet compared to UA or AA”. What does that have to do with anything?? It would seem to to me it would be easier to make the change to 10 across with a smaller fleet.
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

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toobz wrote:
This has been known for a while. But yes it is a good thing. haha I can’t wait for the two, who I will not mention, to find some negativity in this


It's DL 24/7 on here, wow!

This has already been discussed on TWO other posts to do with the 777 retrofit. As much as I continue to dislike DL, I think its great that they have retained 3x3x3.


Yeah it is and I know this isn’t anything new. I didn’t start this topic...not sure why my post was put on top considering I was the 3rd person to respond lol oh Anet
 
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:20 am

Antarius wrote:
Chaostheory wrote:
Delta seems to be forging their own way when it comes to the Y pax experience.

Booking a trip for a nephew from ATL-LAX recently, I think Delta was the only carrier which didn't charge for carry on baggage.


DL also charges for checked bags: https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... ecked.html


That's the most complicated webpage I have ever seen.

So if I buy a ticket on regular Economy on Delta, do I have to pay for my bag or not?
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:50 pm

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Yeah I’m still waiting for someone to explain why a couple people feel that they are maintaining this because of it’s “small 777 fleet compared to UA or AA”. What does that have to do with anything?? It would seem to to me it would be easier to make the change to 10 across with a smaller fleet.


I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the fleet rather keeping Y at 3*3*3 comes down to weight. Keeping the same size J cabin (DL has been shrinking J class lately) and going 3*4*3 in Y would add 4 or 5 tons of weight per aircraft.
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Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:32 pm

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What was the Y seat pitch on DL 777 prior to mods? Post mods?

I wonder if DL will use 3-3-3 to their advantage in advertising?


Not including Comfort+ it was 31-32, post mod, 31-32 for Y. So it stayed the same.
 
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DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF, United?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:00 am

“The comfort of our passengers is a top priority,’’ a Delta spokeswoman told AirlineRatings.

“By maintaining 9-abreast seating in the Main Cabin as we modify our 777s, we’re able to offer wider main cabin seats and more preferable seat options.”


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https://www.airlineratings.com/news/delta-shuns-777-economy-class-crush/

Air France, KLM, American, United, Cathay Pacific, Qatar, Eva Air and many others have all shifted to the unpleasant but now standard 3-4-3 configuration.


Contrary to other airlines (KLM, AA) Delta is really listening to it's passengers. And not only communicating comfort, but realizing it. By adding a 20 inch seat to a 3-3-3 cabin, the remaining passengers have to give in 2 inch each. Ultra lean armrests, hanging into the narrow aisles, getting bumbed etc. And the airlines know all to well. Just ignoring / confusing the issue..

United and KLM are even selling 10 abreast 777 seat as Economy PLus / Comfort. Just not reliable. :irked: https://s.hdnux.com/photos/74/14/35/15779710/3/1024x1024.jpg Delta will do 8 abreast on their 777s. Delta's A330, A350 and 767 seem ok too.

:arrow: I'll reward this by booking them over 10 abreast 777 / 9 abreast 787 operators.

Obviously they have some smart beancounters in Atlanta. Well done Delta. KLM, AF and AA can learn from this.

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Lootess
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:08 am

Delta A350 >>>> the rest of the US3 fleet.

New 777 layout is the same, so that's good too.
 
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:10 am

UA Economy Plus Comfort is 8-abrest on Boeing 777s. Your info is not totally accurate.

Also, it’s been stated before that it suits DL as they have a relatively small Boeing 777 fleet compared to its competitors, thus not affecting it as much. I’m pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it wouldn’t make a difference in their revenue numbers then passenger comfort. For example, look at BA and CX, they’re a very premium airline, but because their numbers show it would be better to have 10-abreast economy seating. Just look at their fleet, it’s 50+ Boeing 777s. The large fleet would mean a promising return, unlike a small fleet like DLs.
 
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:13 am

Lootess wrote:
Delta A350 >>>> the rest of the US3 fleet.

New 777 layout is the same, so that's good too.


ya know what? the A350 is Deltas least comfortable wideboy for Y pax .
I'm not even knocking the A350 a bit.
 
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:14 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
UA Economy Plus Comfort is 8-abrest on Boeing 777s. Your info is not totally accurate.

Also, it’s been stated before that it suits DL as they have a relatively small Boeing 777 fleet compared to its competitors, thus not affecting it as much. I’m pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it wouldn’t make a difference in their revenue numbers then passenger comfort. For example, look at BA and CX, they’re a very premium airline, but because their numbers show it would be better to have 10-abreast economy seating. Just look at their fleet, it’s 50+ Boeing 777s. The large fleet would mean a promising return, unlike a small fleet like DLs.

BA a Premium Airline?
May I not agree...
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:15 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
UA Economy Plus Comfort is 8-abrest on Boeing 777s. Your info is not totally accurate.

Also, it’s been stated before that it suits DL as they have a relatively small Boeing 777 fleet compared to its competitors, thus not affecting it as much. I’m pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it wouldn’t make a difference in their revenue numbers then passenger comfort. For example, look at BA and CX, they’re a very premium airline, but because their numbers show it would be better to have 10-abreast economy seating. Just look at their fleet, it’s 50+ Boeing 777s. The large fleet would mean a promising return, unlike a small fleet like DLs.


So? You are missing the larger picture, Delta's A350 fleet is larger than it's competitors which have zero.
 
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Re: DELTA Shuns 777 Economy Class Crush. Hello KLM, AA, AF?

Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:21 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
UA Economy Plus Comfort is 8-abrest on Boeing 777s. Your info is not totally accurate.


That's their Premium Plus product, different from Economy Plus. It's a similar split between AA's MCE and PE.

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