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HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:57 am

Delivery flight to Malta was yesterday, July 4, 2018. As already reported the registration is 9H-MIP.

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According to aero.de, the jet will now be painted in Malta.
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:14 am

It is registrated Hi fly malta.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:39 am

I'm guessing it's 9H rather than CS due to lower taxes in Malta.
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:45 am

And msn 5 (ex 9V-SKB) too? It appears HiFly is getting both 005 and 006
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:49 am

N14AZ wrote:
Delivery flight to Malta was yesterday, July 4, 2018. As already reported the registration is 9H-MIP.

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Source: http://www.civilianaviation.co.uk/forum ... 69&p=97298

According to aero.de, the jet will now be painted in Malta.


Gorgeous, I have never seen one all white! Dankeschoen for posting! Good to see some second life in the old whale...…….. :stirthepot:
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:57 am

Birdwatching wrote:
And msn 5 (ex 9V-SKB) too? It appears HiFly is getting both 005 and 006

MSN005 has been stored in Tarbes recently: viewtopic.php?t=1372061&start=250

I don’t think HiFly will take MSN005.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:35 am

Oh wow! Hope they paint it into some Hi-Fly branding. Who will use this mostly Haj charters?
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:37 am

Great news! So there is some sort of secondary market. #neversaynever
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:07 am

Congrats to HiFly! Good to see the naysayers proven wrong. I have had the pleasure to fly with them (CS-TQP to Greenland) and it was a very pleasant surprise: generous seat pitch, very professional and caring crew...

I am a bit surprised by the "will be painted" bit though. AFAIK most of their aircraft are intentionally left white to make them "camouflage" more easily into their clients fleets (e.g. when people book with Norwegian and then see a white aircraft, most wouldn't care, however, if they see on the fuselage the name of an airline they've never heard about, there will be questions).
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:12 am

.... and by the way, I just counted: HiFly will be the 14th A380-operator.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:23 am

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.... and by the way, I just counted: HiFly will be the 14th A380-operator.

To be honest, I don't see it lasting long. Not knowing the lease agreement, I think the 380 is going to be a very big money pit for HiFLY.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:36 am

How juvenile "Hi-Fly" sounds. It sounds more like the name of an off-site airport parking facility than the name of an airline.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:05 pm

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How juvenile "Hi-Fly" sounds. It sounds more like the name of an off-site airport parking facility than the name of an airline.

Well, they bloody good at what they do and is that not all that matters? A lot of ´premium airlines´ in their customer base, so who cares?
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:22 pm

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Gorgeous, I have never seen one all white! Dankeschoen for posting! Good to see some second life in the old whale...…….. :stirthepot:


Agreed! She looks really good in all white.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:23 pm

cougar15 wrote:
Gorgeous, I have never seen one all white! Dankeschoen for posting!

You are welcome! Prototype MSN 004 flew all-white for some time as well.


mmo wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
.... and by the way, I just counted: HiFly will be the 14th A380-operator.

To be honest, I don't see it lasting long. Not knowing the lease agreement, I think the 380 is going to be a very big money pit for HiFLY.

Hmm, I expected that someone would comment on that number but I expected rather something like “just wait until MH disposes their A380s and we will be back to 13 operators”…

I am not that pessimistic. Right now there are so many cruise ship operators that only for that Business segment there is a demand for a VLA. I just remember the picture of four B744’s on a small airport in Norway to transport all the tourists to their cruise ships. This is just an example, of course. We shall see how HiFly will use their A380.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:27 pm

mmo wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
.... and by the way, I just counted: HiFly will be the 14th A380-operator.

To be honest, I don't see it lasting long. Not knowing the lease agreement, I think the 380 is going to be a very big money pit for HiFLY.

Right because they have no clue about what they're doing :banghead:
They are a highly conservative and risk averse airline. They wouldn't take this airplane if they weren't absolutely sure that they can make money with it. And I would even bet on seeing them take more A380's in the future.
 
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:04 pm

Better they get it painted quick as there will be thousands of football fans wanting to get to Moscow for the semi-final and final of the WC.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:06 pm

airbazar wrote:
mmo wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
.... and by the way, I just counted: HiFly will be the 14th A380-operator.

To be honest, I don't see it lasting long. Not knowing the lease agreement, I think the 380 is going to be a very big money pit for HiFLY.

Right because they have no clue about what they're doing :banghead:
They are a highly conservative and risk averse airline. They wouldn't take this airplane if they weren't absolutely sure that they can make money with it. And I would even bet on seeing them take more A380's in the future.


You would be surprised at the dumb decisions which are made in the business world. As I said in my post, obviously you missed that part, I don't know what the lease is like but I can assure you the maintenance reserves alone would be eyewatering. If the lease is constructed with a minimum block hours/month and they can't sell the aircraft, there will be serious trouble. Filling a 380 is very different than filling a 777/787.

N14AZ wrote about a "rumour supported by a HiFly job advertisement, where it said they will fly the A380 for a "reputable European operator".". I will believe that when I see it. There is such a thing as scope language and while a pilot contract might allow it on a temp basis, I doubt it will be long term.

A company needs very deep pockets for a 380 operation and I doubt HiFly has pockets that deep. Time will tell. Just look at all the other carriers, ACMI and Scheduled who got the "wide body" syndrome who are no longer in operation.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:10 pm

F27500 wrote:
How juvenile "Hi-Fly" sounds. It sounds more like the name of an off-site airport parking facility than the name of an airline.


But the Maltese division’s callsign is “Moonraker”....it’s bloody perfect for this aircraft!
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:15 pm

mmo wrote:
airbazar wrote:
mmo wrote:
To be honest, I don't see it lasting long. Not knowing the lease agreement, I think the 380 is going to be a very big money pit for HiFLY.

Right because they have no clue about what they're doing :banghead:
They are a highly conservative and risk averse airline. They wouldn't take this airplane if they weren't absolutely sure that they can make money with it. And I would even bet on seeing them take more A380's in the future.


You would be surprised at the dumb decisions which are made in the business world. As I said in my post, obviously you missed that part, I don't know what the lease is like but I can assure you the maintenance reserves alone would be eyewatering. If the lease is constructed with a minimum block hours/month and they can't sell the aircraft, there will be serious trouble. Filling a 380 is very different than filling a 777/787.

N14AZ wrote about a "rumour supported by a HiFly job advertisement, where it said they will fly the A380 for a "reputable European operator".". I will believe that when I see it. There is such a thing as scope language and while a pilot contract might allow it on a temp basis, I doubt it will be long term.

A company needs very deep pockets for a 380 operation and I doubt HiFly has pockets that deep. Time will tell. Just look at all the other carriers, ACMI and Scheduled who got the "wide body" syndrome who are no longer in operation.


You are aware that Hi Fly has A330 and A340 already for many years and operates then for many parties, be it airlines, military, etc.

More recently filling in for the latest and greatest super money-spinning fantastic B787 aircraft while they were out of service with engine problems.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:17 pm

I didn’t think they were serious when initially talking about them taking the A380. I was wrong and wish them good luck. They must have lined up some contracts to use the A380
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:23 pm

mmo wrote:
N14AZ wrote about a "rumour supported by a HiFly job advertisement, where it said they will fly the A380 for a "reputable European operator".". I will believe that when I see it. There is such a thing as scope language and while a pilot contract might allow it on a temp basis, I doubt it will be long term.

I tried to find it in the old threads and found it: https://www.aeroprofessional.com/job/11 ... -Officers/
but:
Sorry, this job vacancy is no longer active.

... which doesn't prove anything. We will see.

mmo wrote:
Just look at all the other carriers, ACMI and Scheduled who got the "wide body" syndrome who are no longer in operation.

(a) HiFly is already a wide body operator since many years
(b) Just look at all the other carriers, ACMI and scheduled who got the "wide body" syndrome who are still in Operation

... something is wrong with me today, I am usually the notorious pessimst.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:24 pm

Looks like a very interesting livery is being applied - save the coral reefs theme.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:26 pm

It is like operating an An124 for cargo. It fills a niche. And if you consider that HiFly won´t have paid much over scrap value while gaining a unique option in the ACMI market, it could work. Look at WAMOS and their 747s. Haji, cruise ship charters, football charters and so on. I think the plane will be busy and if it is parked the capital costs will be very low.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:32 pm

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the capital costs will be very low.


I suppose its not public knowledge but any idea what would they have paid for it approximately?
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:38 pm

I suspect that Airbus and the lessor negotiated a good power by the hour lease with Hi Fly on this. The real head-scratcher is their leasing of brand new A330-900neo aircraft. The likely customer base is hajj duty and also existing A380 operators with AOG issues.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:40 pm

metalinyoni wrote:
seahawk wrote:
the capital costs will be very low.


I suppose its not public knowledge but any idea what would they have paid for it approximately?

Dr. Peters Group said they sold their A380 (MSN 003) for 45 Million. US$. Source: https://www.aero.de/news-29316/A380-wer ... kauft.html

Are we sure that HiFly bought this A380 or just leased it from Doric?
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:15 pm

Congrats to Hi Fly, so who will this A380 be flying for (first)? European tour operators such as TUI or Thomas Cook or Hajj flights (I don't know when's the period for Hajj flights) or current A380 operators who need it? Personally, I don't see them leasing an A380 because there doesn't seem to be a need for them when their own A380 is AOG(?)

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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:21 pm

To everyone who does not like a divergent opinion:

1) I am aware the HiFly has widebodies 330 and 340. However, the 380 is MUCH more expensive to operate and operate at a profit.
2) I am also aware how ACMI works (I have flown the 747 for over 2 years at one, years ago), CPD makes reference to the 787 issues. I agree, there is business there. However, the 787 problems will be fixed. Then what? I can tell you from first-hand experience, if the 380 is used for the Hajj, it will be a disaster. Also, what airports in Africa are capable of handling the 380, Kano, Kaduna, Abjua, Lagos?

I wish them well but even SQ elected to pass on their options and to keep the fleet at 12. But as airbazar said to me...what does SQ know!!!
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:37 pm

I hope that HiFly finds success with operating the A380, that they make a tonne of money from it and that they will be able to add to their fleet at some point in the future. I also hope that the tourists who fly on it appreciate the added comfort over a ThomasCook A321/EasyjetA320/TUI737-8. :)
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:40 pm

mmo wrote:
I wish them well but even SQ elected to pass on their options and to keep the fleet at 12. But as airbazar said to me...what does SQ know!!!

19, they ordered 24 in several batches but decided that the last batch of 5 A380s will replace their first five A380s, thereby keeping the fleet at 19 airframes.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:44 pm

We’ve waited years for a second hand operator. Hopefully we continue to see more opportunities like this. I do hope they put some color on it though. Looks a bit too humble.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:45 pm

Congrats HiFly! I believe you'll do very well with the A380 in your fleet.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:47 pm

mmo wrote:
You would be surprised at the dumb decisions which are made in the business world.

That's true but so far the only thing you proved is that you know nothing about HiFly.
They wouldn't have taken an A380 is they didn't already have customers lined up to use it. This is a very different business model than a scheduled commercial airline. I know it's a big jump from a 777/A346 to an A380 but it's not HiFly's responsibility to fill the seats. They'll get paid the same regardless of load factor.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/0 ... ito-seats/

- "Line maintenance will be carried out by Hi Fly’s sister company, MESA, in Lisbon and at its facility in Beja, south-central Portugal, and the leases will be fully wet: not dry, not damp, Mirpuri says."

- "Notably, Mirpuri says, the fully wetleased aircraft will operate between major airports, largely on existing A380 routes, either as supplemental or replacement capacity. “We are having actually significantly more demand than what we were initially expecting for these first aircraft. "
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:11 pm

airbazar wrote:
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/09/hi-fly-a380-drops-pe-keeps-connectivity-and-koito-seats/


Thank you for that link, it answers a lot of questions that have been asked here and I hadn’t read that article before.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:25 pm

N14AZ wrote:
mmo wrote:
I wish them well but even SQ elected to pass on their options and to keep the fleet at 12. But as airbazar said to me...what does SQ know!!!

19, they ordered 24 in several batches but decided that the last batch of 5 A380s will replace their first five A380s, thereby keeping the fleet at 19 airframes.


I know. I used to work for them on the 744. My point was they have very deep pockets. They have a few routes which will support the loads, but they also realize the difficulty in trying to justify the economics of the aircraft.
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:31 pm

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mmo wrote:
You would be surprised at the dumb decisions which are made in the business world.

That's true but so far the only thing you proved is that you know nothing about HiFly.
They wouldn't have taken an A380 is they didn't already have customers lined up to use it. This is a very different business model than a scheduled commercial airline. I know it's a big jump from a 777/A346 to an A380 but it's not HiFly's responsibility to fill the seats. They'll get paid the same regardless of load factor.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/0 ... ito-seats/

- "Line maintenance will be carried out by Hi Fly’s sister company, MESA, in Lisbon and at its facility in Beja, south-central Portugal, and the leases will be fully wet: not dry, not damp, Mirpuri says."

- "Notably, Mirpuri says, the fully wetleased aircraft will operate between major airports, largely on existing A380 routes, either as supplemental or replacement capacity. “We are having actually significantly more demand than what we were initially expecting for these first aircraft. "


So I have to ask, what makes you the expert? I am very familiar with the ACMI world and how they work. The problem is, while I applaud their optimism, the goals of placing the 380 at a major carrier on a long-term ACMI contract are between slim and none. In addition, should one 380 go down for MX, trying to cover the uplift will be a feat in and of itself.

I am puzzled in that if HiFly says they have had more demand than they were initially expecting, then why lease only 2?
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mmo wrote:
airbazar wrote:
mmo wrote:
You would be surprised at the dumb decisions which are made in the business world.

That's true but so far the only thing you proved is that you know nothing about HiFly.
They wouldn't have taken an A380 is they didn't already have customers lined up to use it. This is a very different business model than a scheduled commercial airline. I know it's a big jump from a 777/A346 to an A380 but it's not HiFly's responsibility to fill the seats. They'll get paid the same regardless of load factor.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/0 ... ito-seats/

- "Line maintenance will be carried out by Hi Fly’s sister company, MESA, in Lisbon and at its facility in Beja, south-central Portugal, and the leases will be fully wet: not dry, not damp, Mirpuri says."

- "Notably, Mirpuri says, the fully wetleased aircraft will operate between major airports, largely on existing A380 routes, either as supplemental or replacement capacity. “We are having actually significantly more demand than what we were initially expecting for these first aircraft. "


So I have to ask, what makes you the expert? I am very familiar with the ACMI world and how they work. The problem is, while I applaud their optimism, the goals of placing the 380 at a major carrier on a long-term ACMI contract are between slim and none. In addition, should one 380 go down for MX, trying to cover the uplift will be a feat in and of itself.

I am puzzled in that if HiFly says they have had more demand than they were initially expecting, then why lease only 2?


HiFly is stating they are experiencing more demand than they expected. So why are you saying the chances are slim to none? You're not making any sense. None at all.

They have also stated in the past that they're looking to get up to 6 frames. You have to start somewhere, and 2 is a good start.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:44 pm

N14AZ wrote:
airbazar wrote:
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/09/hi-fly-a380-drops-pe-keeps-connectivity-and-koito-seats/


Thank you for that link, it answers a lot of questions that have been asked here and I hadn’t read that article before.


Yes, worth reading to dispel rumours, such as Mirpuri quoted in the article saying:
“Unlike some of the news that was around, it’s not going to be used on hajj flights."
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:48 pm

Of note: the Mirpuri family has been around in aviation since the 1990s. They first ran Air Luxor, which was going to be renamed Hi Fly, but instead Hi Fly was borne off of a fresh AOC and Air Luxor was sold (minus one A333 that migrated to Hi Fly).
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:02 pm

GCT64 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
airbazar wrote:
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2018/04/09/hi-fly-a380-drops-pe-keeps-connectivity-and-koito-seats/


Thank you for that link, it answers a lot of questions that have been asked here and I hadn’t read that article before.


Yes, worth reading to dispel rumours, such as Mirpuri quoted in the article saying:
“Unlike some of the news that was around, it’s not going to be used on hajj flights."


Do they read these forums?
 
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Better they get it painted quick as there will be thousands of football fans wanting to get to Moscow for the semi-final and final of the WC.


Wow, and I thought I was an optimist! :wink2:
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We’ve waited years for a second hand operator. Hopefully we continue to see more opportunities like this. I do hope they put some color on it though. Looks a bit too humble.

As per my previous post, and info from Skyliner, it will have some sort of " save the coral reefs " paintjob.
 
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scbriml wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Better they get it painted quick as there will be thousands of football fans wanting to get to Moscow for the semi-final and final of the WC.


Wow, and I thought I was an optimist! :wink2:

But he didn’t say from where these thousands of fans want to fly to Moscow. Obviously not from Malta nor from Portugal (... and of course not from Germany...).
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:13 pm

I'm sure at some point we'll see it operating for Norwegian when some of their 787's go down and they need extra lift. I'm sure it will be the rescue aircraft of choice when cruise ships need to move a large number of passengers as well.
 
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mmo wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
mmo wrote:
I wish them well but even SQ elected to pass on their options and to keep the fleet at 12. But as airbazar said to me...what does SQ know!!!

19, they ordered 24 in several batches but decided that the last batch of 5 A380s will replace their first five A380s, thereby keeping the fleet at 19 airframes.


I know.

Okaaaaayyy. So you know it’s 19 but you write 12. :scratchchin: But fair enough, it doesn’t make much difference and I see your point. But with all due respect, I don’t see the relevance. I don’t see a contradiction between SQ realizing that 19 A380s is enough for them and HiFly coming to the conclusion that they can make use out of one or two A380s.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:30 pm

spinkid wrote:
I'm sure at some point we'll see it operating for Norwegian when some of their 787's go down and they need extra lift. I'm sure it will be the rescue aircraft of choice when cruise ships need to move a large number of passengers as well.


What Norwegian destinations in the U.S. can accept A380s? LAX, JFK, BOS, ...?
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:34 pm

mmo wrote:
So I have to ask, what makes you the expert?

I'm not giving you an opinion. I'm simply relaying what the airline's own president has said. I included one of many articles found online. Go ask him what makes him the expert.

mmo wrote:
the goals of placing the 380 at a major carrier on a long-term ACMI contract

You obviously didn't read the article. Did you miss the part about where he says this?
"We will operate the aircraft on relatively medium-term contracts, like simple routes between Europe and the United States, and these will be typically one year, two year contracts initially.”

mmo wrote:
I am puzzled in that if HiFly says they have had more demand than they were initially expecting, then why lease only 2?

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1) I just told you they are a hugely conservative and risk averse airline.
2) It's relative. "A lot of demand" for an airline of their size compared to a LH or BA for example, are 2 very different things.

spinkid wrote:
I'm sure at some point we'll see it operating for Norwegian when some of their 787's go down and they need extra lift. I'm sure it will be the rescue aircraft of choice when cruise ships need to move a large number of passengers as well.

I'm curious too who these legacy carriers from Europe to the U.S. are going to be. If I had to guess I'd say AF and/or IB. We know that both of these airlines have very high seasonal demand for leisure traffic. The thing that intrigues me is that they went thru the trouble of removing premium economy and keeping the F class cabin.

ucdtim17 wrote:
What Norwegian destinations in the U.S. can accept A380s? LAX, JFK, BOS, ...?

On a one-off basis, just about all of them.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:00 pm

airbazar wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
What Norwegian destinations in the U.S. can accept A380s? LAX, JFK, BOS, ...?

On a one-off basis, just about all of them.


I mean that has a gate and ground infrastructure to support an A380. A380s have landed at OAK but there isn't a gate capable of serving the aircraft.

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