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Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:34 pm

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... eo-449971/

Finally the A330neo has received another top up in its back log.
Who may have ordered the A330neo tho?
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:32 pm

My first and best guess would be Delta
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:37 pm

My guess would be IndiGo. They might want to remain unidentified because of recent stress in operating margins and profits.

Though it's very unlikely that they will order 2 a/c types.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:38 pm

anshabhi wrote:
My guess would be IndiGo. They might want to remain unidentified because of recent stress in operating margins and profits.

Though it's very unlikely that they will order 2 a/c types.


I would of expected an order for 20-30 off them.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:38 pm

Probably a top up from TAP, move their whole WB fleet tonjust A339neo.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:42 pm

Just for clarification, the A330neo order and the A350 order are separate orders.

The A350 is for a new customer, Airbus doesn't mention the same for the A330neo order, so it looks like it's a top-up order by an existing customer.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:46 pm

Great to see another A330neo order. It doesn’t say A330-800 or 900, but I assume it will be a 900.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:54 pm

South American operator for either one? I could see Aerolineas Argentinas investing in new Airbus long-haul aircraft
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:56 pm

Air Asia X boss has been tweeting that he wanted some more A330's; so it might be them.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:57 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Great to see another A330neo order. It doesn’t say A330-800 or 900, but I assume it will be a 900.

It's for the -900.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:57 pm

I would have said Indigo too, but as it has been mentioned that they would have ordered at least 20 to 30 A330neos. But well I hope we get an announcement from Airbus or Indigo soon regarding some WB for Indigo.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:57 pm

Arion640 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
My guess would be IndiGo. They might want to remain unidentified because of recent stress in operating margins and profits.

Though it's very unlikely that they will order 2 a/c types.


I would of expected an order for 20-30 off them.

Ditto. It would be someone other than Indigo for 10.

Good news for the A330.

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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:02 pm

Qatara340 wrote:
Air Asia X boss has been tweeting that he wanted some more A330's; so it might be them.


He just met them like 1 or 2 days ago, I don't think AirAsia X will just rush straight into it as Tony mentioned that the price, aircraft performances must be matching with each other then they might get more. So I think they may need more time to discuss tho
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:03 pm

Maybe a top-up from a leasing company?
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:07 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Just for clarification, the A330neo order and the A350 order are separate orders.

The A350 is for a new customer, Airbus doesn't mention the same for the A330neo order, so it looks like it's a top-up order by an existing customer.


Then indeed TAP and Delta are the strongest candidates for the Neo.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:10 pm

How about South African? They were looking for an A340 replacement.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:11 pm

Yes. The A350 is a new customer to A350.

A330neo is the -900 and a current customer. Possibly Delta or TAP.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:17 pm

Arion640 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I would of expected an order for 20-30 off them.


Would of? Really ? ....
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:19 pm

In the words of Doctor Frankenstein " The A330neo it`s alive it`s alive"
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:27 pm

JayBCNLON wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
I would of expected an order for 20-30 off them.


Would of? Really ? ....


Yes, off course.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:35 pm

Jayafe wrote:
Then indeed TAP and Delta are the strongest candidates for the Neo.

I don't see TP ordering more A339's.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:06 pm

george77300 wrote:
Yes. The A350 is a new customer to A350.

A330neo is the -900 and a current customer. Possibly Delta or TAP.


That´s the exact wording at Airbus:

Turkish Airlines booked 25 A350 XWBs in the A350-900 version, and 10 A350-900s were ordered by an undisclosed client. Both are new customers for the A350 XWB.

Two A330 transactions were logged in June: one involving 10 new engine option (NEO) A330-900s for an undisclosed customer; the other for two A330-200s acquired by International Airlines Group (IAG).


It only mentions that the 10 A330-900neo are for an undisclosed customer, but doesn´t state it´s a current or a new one. It might as well be a new one, just not being pointed out as with the A350-900s. We simply need to wait until the order is disclosed, which I think will likely happen at Farnborough already.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:14 pm

IndiGo(6E)??
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:55 pm

I say that the A330NEO order is for Air Asia
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:12 pm

Asian airline but not Air Asia
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:17 pm

My 2 cents:Sas?
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:20 pm

RB211trent wrote:
Asian airline but not Air Asia


Garuda? That would be a bit of a surprise given how new some of their A330s are.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:21 pm

And they say irony is dead.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:53 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
My first and best guess would be Delta

As nice as it would be, highly unlikely

Delta has 10 350s on order right now that they can't figure out what to do with, can't see them adding another 10 to that any time soon

On top of all that, Delta has been very public about issuing a RFP for airplanes. 20 widebodies without a little public negotiation seems very unlike Delta. 10 321s or 10 739s? Okay but can't see it for the widebodies
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:06 pm

If Air Asia X I would have expected a concurrent cancellation of 10 x A350. So probably not AAX.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:15 pm

WOW?
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:18 pm

My guess is TG for the A330NEO to replace their oldest -300's
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:30 pm

Southwest Airlines?
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:54 pm

Both orders will probably turnout to be a chinese airline...
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:56 pm

Why should this be an airline which usually disclose their orders already in LOI/MoU state to use the publicity. I guess 90% of all undisclosed orders are Chinese ones, so I see no reason that this one is not another one from China.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:58 pm

My guess is TP for the A330NEO
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:35 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
Delta has 10 350s on order right now that they can't figure out what to do with, can't see them adding another 10 to that any time soon


The Airbus presser already said the 10 x A350 were for a new customer for the type.

Sooner787's response was to the question "Who ordered the 10 x A330neo?"
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:01 pm

A330neo order = Amedeo
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:32 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Both orders will probably turnout to be a chinese airline...


Good call, Undisclosed orders are often for China.

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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:01 am

Could the 330NEOs be freighters?
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:06 am

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Could the 330NEOs be freighters?

Unlikely. Its not officially offered yet for sale.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:01 am

BWIAirport wrote:
South American operator for either one? I could see Aerolineas Argentinas investing in new Airbus long-haul aircraft


I sure hope so! however according to our CEO, this year the fleet decision will be regarding a replacement for AU's Embraers, before years end. Widebody fleet renewal will be decided around Q2 2019.

If engine manufacturer is not an issue (like many users have said to me here) then I really hope A350 is the plane to win the order.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:26 am

If it was a Chinese CAAC3 order, 10 seems to be a disappointing low number as compared to the A330ceo orders they had.
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:34 am

LTCM wrote:
A330neo order = Amedeo



Okay.....that's funny. :lol:
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:48 am

:o Impossible! A330neo is dead on arrival, or so people keep telling me.


Cathay Pacific for the A350s and Cathay Dragon for the A330neos?

China Eastern has some fairly old A330ceos, so they could be a likely candidate for neos.

Could the 10 A330neos be the replacement order from MEA, or is 10 planes too many for them?

Asiana also has some old A330ceos and i expect them to replace the fleet with neos at some point.

Not related to this, but at some point i expect LH to replace Swiss's A330-300s with A330-900s and shift most of the -300s to Austrian and Brussels.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:55 am

LTCM wrote:
A330neo order = Amedeo


okay, so I presume this was meant as a joke, but...... could it be true? as in an arrangement with Airbus to convert their dormant A380 order? After all, Amedeo has this new tie up with Intrepid, who have A330 in their portfolio.

helps Airbus, helps Amedeo.... seems possible to me!
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:56 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Both orders will probably turnout to be a chinese airline...


Good call, Undisclosed orders are often for China.

Geoff



why is that? does the chinese govt order and then distribute the planes to the airlines?
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:12 am

Given the recent A330neo demo flight around the world, one can shortlist the potential customer list pretty easily.
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:25 am

Lets hope it’s not Amedeo
 
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Re: Undisclosed Order for 10 A330NEOs and 10 A350s

Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:28 am

FlyHappy wrote:
LTCM wrote:
A330neo order = Amedeo


okay, so I presume this was meant as a joke, but...... could it be true? as in an arrangement with Airbus to convert their dormant A380 order? After all, Amedeo has this new tie up with Intrepid, who have A330 in their portfolio.

helps Airbus, helps Amedeo.... seems possible to me!


The A339 order is a "top-up" order. So not Amadeo since they are not a current customer of the type. Maybe for the A350 (since it's a new customer) though.

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