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avgeekjohn
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Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:07 am

Cubana has had to ground many of its Russian and Ukranian planes due to technical issues and is currently flying only four planes, as trade embargos limit the planes it can get from the US (http://aeronauticsonline.com/cubana-is-in-danger/). The future of the airline seems grim unless it can find parts for its aging Russian/Ukranian planes. Any thoughts?
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:18 am

As a state run Airline without the need of beeing profitable they simply will be what they allways where, a bottomless pit.

But since they likely run the Airports, ARC and get the monies for the overflight rights as well, they have a $$$/€€€ income. Who Needs operating airliners then?
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:19 am

Cubana is there since 1929, almost 90 yrs, and had been “killed” several times.
I do not understand how people may arise to conclusion that it don’t need to be profitable. Cuba is not an economic power and do not have resources to “play” to aircompany owner. Last I heard was that Cubana was profitable and using most of income for financing national flights where they were needed more, “Isla de la Juventud”, “Baracoa”, “Santiago”.. Those places are isolated and or far away from Habana. For instance, Cubana in those cases, flight sick people to Havana hospitals, at no charge.
Cubana have nothing to do with ECASA, cuban company that run Airports and Control Airspace and get overflight rights.
I dont know what are planes for Cubana. She wanted to get ride from Russian Planes back in early 2000 mainly for lack of spares - mx checks. It was DC10 years, but it was blocked again and had to comeback to Russian Planes.
I repeat, I don’t know what Cubana Airlines will do, but it remember me Mark Twain quotte: “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”

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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:41 am

it was so in Russia and it was so in East Germany that everything in Aviation was controlled under one umbrella, which was Aeroflot in Russia and Interflug i East Germany. If ECASA and Cubana are separate, they have at least one thng in common and that is their owner, the Cuban State. That is so in a socialist "economy". Pöans never work and the People running a Company have to manage the many short-comings. Or, even worse, the 100 + fatalities which are the result of the hiring of a fly-by-nite to operate domestic schedules.
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:59 pm

PanHAM wrote:
it was so in Russia and it was so in East Germany that everything in Aviation was controlled under one umbrella, which was Aeroflot in Russia and Interflug i East Germany. If ECASA and Cubana are separate, they have at least one thng in common and that is their owner, the Cuban State. That is so in a socialist "economy". Pöans never work and the People running a Company have to manage the many short-comings. Or, even worse, the 100 + fatalities which are the result of the hiring of a fly-by-nite to operate domestic schedules.


PANHAM: I will modify my questions. Did You were in Russia or East Germany? When? Doing what?

I don’t know abour East Germany, only by friends from there, but I was in Russia severl years. On Civil Aviation Institute.

I,m very sorry to inform You that Soviet’s Airlines and Soviet Airport/Ground Control were totally different entities, with differents directions (Управленья) but under same name (Like for instance GE)

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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:15 pm

Rzssia and East Germany and the rest of the communist countries had a guided economy. There was no private Enterprise and in East Germany it was so that Interflug was the umbrella for all "civil" aviation . The director General had a uniform, and a Military grade. At the end of the day they where all part of the state run guided System, a dictatorship without private Enterprise. When Germany was re-unified , IF had not the slightest Chance to surviveas a private entity, their eason to exist evaporated. I will not Elaborate why that was different in Russia, the Transformation from a state run firm to a competetive Enterprise worked. Same as the miracle that People who where at the right time in the right Job become billionaires overnight.

Call it what you want, in a guided economy, which is an Oxymoron,, all children had the same parents and nothing happened without the approval of the politbureau. Luckily, such times are over witha few exceptions in the western hemisphere and epne in the Far East.
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:27 pm

PanHAM wrote:
At the end of the day they where all part of the state run guided System, a dictatorship without private Enterprise


Actually east Germany did have private businesses. Not many and it was a highly regulated sector but they did have some. Not sure about USSR, though
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Why is there suddenly multiple threads at the top of the forum about Cubana? Is any major change due to happen soon?
 
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Re: Somber future for Cubana?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:04 pm

PanHAM, hi, I repeat no big experince on East German, but now, to my questions 1 & 2 y will add another:
When a President of aircompanies uses Form and a Grade, will convert the company in a Bottonles Pit?
And another (sorry, many new concepts in this discusion)
- Guided economy, is an OXYMORON? Always?
But I will like to thanks You, been born 3 month before Castro took power, I realized that my parents are only mines, and not comom.
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