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Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:32 am

Where will first U.S. long haul LCC be based if the airline actually begins service?
and where will other hubs be located?
my ideas for a base are:
-Washington Dulles International Airport ( gateway to Europe )
-Philadelphia International Airport ( competing with AA, less likely though)
-Los Angeles International Airport ( gateway to Oceania and Asia and competing with AA,UA,DL. Less likely )
-Seattle International Airport ( compete with Delta )

Hubs:
-Miami International Airport ( gateway to Latin America and the Caribbean competing with AA and latin carriers and maybe introduce long awaited flights to Africa)
-FortLauderdale-Hollywood International Airport ( competing with JetBlue, Spirit, and Southwest )
-Houston George Bush International Airport ( compete with UA )
-Portland International Airport ( compete with Alaska and Sun Country. Unlikely. )
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 am

I remember reading an article not long ago, say it will fly out MIA and LAX but where don't know. and i know it won't be in Seattle or Philadelphia for sure. you can forget about FLL and PDX
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:18 am

You think this is a good idea ?


Hard enough for any new airline to start up from scratch but using the name from a failed one is like a gypsy curse !


Braniff, Pan Am, Eastern, National are just a few failed reincarnations that come to mind


Bad idea !
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:19 am

Max Q wrote:
You think this is a good idea ?


Hard enough for any new airline to start up from scratch but using the name from a failed one is like a gypsy curse !


Braniff, Pan Am, Eastern, National are just a few failed reincarnations that come to mind


Bad idea !



I didn't say it was a good idea. All I did was do potential hubs/base if the airline takes off.

No pun intended.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:54 am

Forget about SEA and PDX. Way too much competition and limited gate space at SEA, and the current facilities at PDX cannot handle too many widebody jets (the airport itself is way too small). I don't think we'll be seeing World Airways on the west coast at all aside from SFO and LAX.

Some likely ideas that come to mind: LAX, SFO, IAD, EWR, MIA
Some not so likely, but still in the realm of possibility: AUS, DEN, BOS
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:58 am

I thought I read they wanted to fly out of MIA?
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:04 am

I know this whole thing is a stretch, but can anyone see ORD or MDW coming into play?
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:07 am

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I know this whole thing is a stretch, but can anyone see ORD or MDW coming into play?

They would have to exclusively use Terminal 5 at ORD (unless they were able to lease usable gates from AA and/or UA). Depending on the extent of their operations, I don't see that being a problem. However, I don't think MDW can sustain any widebody operations right now.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:20 am

Maybe:

MIA-EWR/JFK
MIA-ORD
MIA-DFW
MIA-LAX
MIA-Latin America
MIA-Europe

Possibly MIA-VCV
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:31 am

I was wondering if there would be a business opportunity for an anchorage base for World Airways or indeed any airline to act as a midway hub between Asis and North America sort of similar to how icelandic airlines fly pax via their base in iceland. I say this because Anchorage has significantly above capacity international terminal with no shortage of slots, and I feel the lower fuel costs of these shorter flights, could allow for lower travel costs (as long as you avoid russian overflight fees, or are they less bad over the pacific?). Just an idea, probably been tried and failed, but I'd like to hear someone else's view on this, thanks
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:32 am

Great, another ghost rising from the dead.
I mean, what's the big deal with finding a new name? Can't they just let the dead rest in the US??

Also, talking about "hubs" (as in 'hub&spoke' system) I think it's a bit of a stretch given that most lo-cost fly point-to-point only, plus this is a new airline which will need plenty of time and effort (and financing) to simply get off the ground in any meaningful form....
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:28 pm

What about other cities out side of the U.S.? Like LGW or TXL?
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:23 pm

TPA might be a strong option no one is considering. There is definite SA and Europe demand. Not a lot of competition. Low costs. Growing business ties.
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:16 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
TPA might be a strong option no one is considering. There is definite SA and Europe demand. Not a lot of competition. Low costs. Growing business ties.



Heard that JetBlue and maybe even United might expand at TPA.

United might have a Cleveland style focus city there.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:20 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
I know this whole thing is a stretch, but can anyone see ORD or MDW coming into play?


I can definitely see them flying to ORD maybe MDW too.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:29 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Maybe:

MIA-EWR/JFK
MIA-ORD
MIA-DFW
MIA-LAX
MIA-Latin America
MIA-Europe

Possibly MIA-VCV


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Max Q wrote:
Braniff, Pan Am, Eastern, National are just a few failed reincarnations that come to mind



.....and what's the one airport where these were all big? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:48 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
TPA might be a strong option no one is considering. There is definite SA and Europe demand. Not a lot of competition. Low costs. Growing business ties.



Heard that JetBlue and maybe even United might expand at TPA.

United might have a Cleveland style focus city there.



Heard from where?
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:01 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
TPA might be a strong option no one is considering. There is definite SA and Europe demand. Not a lot of competition. Low costs. Growing business ties.



Heard that JetBlue and maybe even United might expand at TPA.

United might have a Cleveland style focus city there.



Heard from where?


some article, I mean it probably won't happen, but UA could use TPA to strengthen their presence in Florida.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:23 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Possibly MIA-VCV


LOL!!! Add to that MIA - AVW/AVQ (Marana), MIA - MHV (Mojave), MIA - GLH (Greenville, MS), MIA - TUP (Tupelo)
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 am

Dude. We all know you were going to include MIA into this.

Actually, you probably made this thread because you were curious about World Airways and Miami. And only Miami.

Please stop embarrassing MIA. Like if you need info or have a question just PM me.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 am

I heard they were going to set up shop in FWA. Did I hear that wrong?
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:09 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
Where will first U.S. long haul LCC be based if the airline actually begins service?

-Los Angeles International Airport ( gateway to Oceania and Asia and competing with AA,UA,DL. Less likely )


There's huge demand for USA/Australia LCC type services. The only services that exist now are JQ, HNL/SYD & HNL/MEL.

The LAX/Australia market is crowded (LAX/BNE QF & VA; LAX/SYD QF/VA/UA/DL/AA), LAX/MEL QF/VA/UA) but SFO/Australia only QF/UA SFO/SYD.


Believe OAK is a much cheaper & less congested port than SFO, so why not OAK/BNE or OAK/AVV(Melbourne) with or without a stop somewhere like APW, which would make a good minhub.

If flying out of MIA, why not MIA/TIJ/Australia.

Don't think any airline is using the Mexico/Australia traffic rights & TIJ gives an airline access to the SAN market via CBX.


Flights could be seasonal or less in quiet times, but it should be noted that Australian workers get lots more holidays than USA workers. Most Australians get a minimum of 4 weeks paid leave with leave loading of 17.5% or more, plus most get long service leave after 10 years employment, plus many other days off.
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:35 am

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Geminijets101 wrote:
Where will first U.S. long haul LCC be based if the airline actually begins service?

-Los Angeles International Airport ( gateway to Oceania and Asia and competing with AA,UA,DL. Less likely )


There's huge demand for USA/Australia LCC type services. The only services that exist now are JQ, HNL/SYD & HNL/MEL.

The LAX/Australia market is crowded (LAX/BNE QF & VA; LAX/SYD QF/VA/UA/DL/AA), LAX/MEL QF/VA/UA) but SFO/Australia only QF/UA SFO/SYD.


Believe OAK is a much cheaper & less congested port than SFO, so why not OAK/BNE or OAK/AVV(Melbourne) with or without a stop somewhere like APW, which would make a good minhub.

If flying out of MIA, why not MIA/TIJ/Australia.

Don't think any airline is using the Mexico/Australia traffic rights & TIJ gives an airline access to the SAN market via CBX.


Flights could be seasonal or less in quiet times, but it should be noted that Australian workers get lots more holidays than USA workers. Most Australians get a minimum of 4 weeks paid leave with leave loading of 17.5% or more, plus most get long service leave after 10 years employment, plus many other days off.



MIA-Australia is very unlikely at the moment.
We can’t even get a flight to east Asia or Africa.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:40 am

Miami wrote:
Dude. We all know you were going to include MIA into this.

Actually, you probably made this thread because you were curious about World Airways and Miami. And only Miami.

Please stop embarrassing MIA. Like if you need info or have a question just PM me.


Can’t include MIA for what reason? I can’t get people’s opinions or thoughts? Just because your name is Miami, doesn’t mean you represent the airport. I don’t think I’m embarrassing the airport at all and I’m just making a thread with my thoughts and opinions on it.
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Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:04 am

How about DTW? Maybe they will start DTW-BOM as their first flight :duck:
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:30 am

A quick look on the World Airways wikipedia page will give you this link... The fact that this airline will be based at MIA and LAX is insane! I have high doubts that they will even get off the ground.
https://airwaysmag.com/industry/777-par ... d-airways/
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:33 am

Carp12c wrote:
A quick look on the World Airways wikipedia page will give you this link... The fact that this airline will be based at MIA and LAX is insane! I have high doubts that they will even get off the ground.
https://airwaysmag.com/industry/777-par ... d-airways/


And than this is their branding. I honestly think this is one big insane joke!
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:57 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
How about DTW? Maybe they will start DTW-BOM as their first flight :duck:



They wouldn't do that, but I can see a DTW hub for them if the airline even takes off.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
How about DTW? Maybe they will start DTW-BOM as their first flight :duck:



They wouldn't do that, but I can see a DTW hub for them if the airline even takes off.

I'm sure DTW was just a joke. Long-time viewers of this site understand it.... :-D
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:56 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
They wouldn't do that, but I can see a DTW hub for them if the airline even takes off.


Is there any major airport you don't see a hub for them at?

The odds of World getting off the ground are pretty darn slim; but even if they do their first three to five years will be limited to a single main hub and maybe a second focus city and that is it.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:44 am

alasizon wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
They wouldn't do that, but I can see a DTW hub for them if the airline even takes off.


Is there any major airport you don't see a hub for them at?

The odds of World getting off the ground are pretty darn slim; but even if they do their first three to five years will be limited to a single main hub and maybe a second focus city and that is it.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:35 am

Both articles say based in Miami and hubs in Miami and LAX. Seems pretty clear. Whether it happens or not...another question. Interesting that the brand colors are different in the two articles although they're both attributed to the same magazine.
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:56 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
Where will first U.S. long haul LCC be based if the airline actually begins service?
and where will other hubs be located?
my ideas for a base are:
-Washington Dulles International Airport ( gateway to Europe )...


Are there any gates available at IAD? Last time I passed through there (about a year ago), the concourses seemed very busy or full to me.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:13 am

Considering these guys have not filed a single sheet of paperwork with the DOT on the road to getting an air carrier certificate, or economic licensing, I would not waste brain cells thinking about them.

At the moment Baltia sits far ahead of them progressing towards flying one-day.
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:33 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
flyaustralian12 wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Where will first U.S. long haul LCC be based if the airline actually begins service?

-Los Angeles International Airport ( gateway to Oceania and Asia and competing with AA,UA,DL. Less likely )


There's huge demand for USA/Australia LCC type services. The only services that exist now are JQ, HNL/SYD & HNL/MEL.

The LAX/Australia market is crowded (LAX/BNE QF & VA; LAX/SYD QF/VA/UA/DL/AA), LAX/MEL QF/VA/UA) but SFO/Australia only QF/UA SFO/SYD.


Believe OAK is a much cheaper & less congested port than SFO, so why not OAK/BNE or OAK/AVV(Melbourne) with or without a stop somewhere like APW, which would make a good minhub.

If flying out of MIA, why not MIA/TIJ/Australia.

Don't think any airline is using the Mexico/Australia traffic rights & TIJ gives an airline access to the SAN market via CBX.


Flights could be seasonal or less in quiet times, but it should be noted that Australian workers get lots more holidays than USA workers. Most Australians get a minimum of 4 weeks paid leave with leave loading of 17.5% or more, plus most get long service leave after 10 years employment, plus many other days off.



MIA-Australia is very unlikely at the moment.
We can’t even get a flight to east Asia or Africa.


MIA/Australia one stop, not nonstop !!!
 
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Re: Where will the new World Airways be based?

Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:35 am

LAXintl wrote:
Considering these guys have not filed a single sheet of paperwork with the DOT on the road to getting an air carrier certificate, or economic licensing, I would not waste brain cells thinking about them.

At the moment Baltia sits far ahead of them progressing towards flying one-day.
surely the easiest way would be to take over an existing airline. Must be quite a few small U.S. airlines who could be bought.


For international ops, they don't need a U.S. AOC.

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