Matt6461 wrote:OA940 wrote:Also note that while the 744/748 can technically carry more pax, to be competitive in the lucrative Business Class you have to fit completely different seats than what the manufacturers use to calculate pax numbers, and those seats are a completely different shape. They take more space and are inefficient on the 747. The 777-300ER however is perfect for them.
I'm with you on 77W vs. 748 but your seating efficiency thing doesn't make much sense.
747's cabin is only ~4in wider than 777's; efficiency delta is negligible. In fact, because reverse herringbone J can use lower pitch given a wider cabin, the 747 might be *more* efficient for it. Meanwhile 6ab UD Y seating is more efficient than even 10ab on 777.
Don't make this any more complicated than it has to be. All 747 version share an outdated wing.
There are other factors but wings are a fairly important part of any airplane.
What I mean: In the early/mid 2000s flatbeds were being introduced. F seats got like they are today around 2007 with the SQ A380 Suites. Assuming Boeing launched the 745 around 2000-2001 (before then the 744 was still enough), factor in 9/11, and introduction would've been around 2005. The 77W was available at the time, but lets say the 745 could still compete. The nose of the 747 (where most airlines put first class) doesn't leave much room. It just creates an awkward configuration with tons of wasted space, even if you fill it with J seats. The upper deck can't fit all that many premium seats. The 77W can fit about the same seats, just more efficiently. And it offers more flexibility when it comes to seating layouts. JL's and SQ's 77Ws can carry a relatively large amount of passengers with a very spacious configuration. Likewise for airlines that wanna pack pax the 77W can fit more than 400 people onboard without becoming unbearable. The 744 can fit 400 people too, but there is a lot of wasted space if you stuck in modern seats like Zodiac's Cirrus (Delta A330/744 J) or Stelia's Solstys (Iberia J)