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Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:02 pm

Qatar Airways plans to serve a total of 250 destinations by 2022, including 220 passenger destinations along with 30 destinations for cargo. Currently Qatar Airways serves 162 destinations worldwide meaning they would need to add on average of 22 destinations per year.

Any thoughts of future destinations for Qatar Airways?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/flamboy ... s-by-2022/
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:09 pm

Hey guys,
Qatar haven't got much room to expand destination-wise in Australia.... Perhaps the first ME3 into Darwin, the Gold Coast, Cairns or (highly unlikely) Hobart?
Expansion in New Zealand and the Pacific Islands is more likely I believe, perhaps even as tag-ons to some Australian flights. Indonesia might also provide a few more 'dots on the map' with cities like Surabaya possibly?
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:46 pm

I can immediately think of 10 in North America:

EWR
DTW
MCO

PHX
DEN
SAN

SEA
YYZ

YYC

YVR

It is a fact that QR is going to pick some of these, which ones nobody knows.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:56 pm

QR is restricted by regulations. For example, in Australia, they've maxed out their rights, so cannot serve BNE, and have to deploy a 388 to PER instead of more frequency.

I'm sure that other important markets such as China would also not just let QR come in willy nilly and launch destinations left, right and centre. Something's got to give here.

bunumuring wrote:
Perhaps the first ME3 into Darwin, the Gold Coast, Cairns or (highly unlikely) Hobart? Expansion in New Zealand and the Pacific Islands is more likely I believe, perhaps even as tag-ons to some Australian flights.

A few points:

- OOL won't happen, unless a stop is made somewhere - the runway isn't long enough for a non-stop flight to DOH.
- AAB said a few months ago that QR was happy with AKL, but was not considering further New Zealand growth.
- The only Pacific Islands country worth serving would be Fiji, and Fiji rejected EK's request for traffic rights ex-SYD.
- CNS has been in discussions with QR in December 2017 about new flights, with CNS' Mayor visiting DOH then.

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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:10 pm

The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:12 pm

I’m waiting to see if they will actually launch even half of the ones they announced at ITB some months ago.

Al Baker did recently mention that they are planning a new Scandinavian destination, I’m fully expecting that to mean GOT.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:20 pm

Perhaps other Scottish destinations like ABZ could be served with A321neos ?
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:22 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.


Then they will become one of the few airlines in the world to serve all 3 UK Countries.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:29 pm

Unless KSA and the UAE allow them to fly there again, I don't see them meeting this target.

For comparisons stake, EK+FZ serve a total of 216 unique destinations and this is expected to rise to 240 by 2022 according to CAPA.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:31 pm

If India opens up, they'll be able to tap into so many regional markets. They could also increase their presence in Iran and Pakistan. In terms of the US: CLT, SFO, SEA, DEN are the only realistic possibilities imo
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:34 pm

neomax wrote:
I can immediately think of 10 in North America:

EWR
DTW
MCO

PHX
DEN
SAN

SEA
YYZ

YYC

YVR

It is a fact that QR is going to pick some of these, which ones nobody knows.


I’m pretty sure they can’t in Canada currently. Only serve one city I think. QR chose YUL and Emirates only YYZ. I’m sure they’d love too but currently not able to.
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:36 pm

MNL
SFO
YVR
PDX
DSS
LIS
KIX
OOL
GIG
SCL
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:46 pm

In the US, the next city in line for an ME3 should be DTW.
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:47 pm

Qatar and China signed agreement to introduce visa exemption for both nationals to visit each other. And I believe this gesture also opened up China aviation market for Qatar. So I expect Qatar to open more Chinese routes in very near future.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:27 pm

MEX must certainly be in their radar.
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 pm

Arion640 wrote:
opticalilyushin wrote:
The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.


Then they will become one of the few airlines in the world to serve all 3 UK Countries.


Think you mean four ;-)
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:45 pm

What about Africa? I see a lot of opportunity for someone to set a hold in the African market. If they developed routes to China at the same time, they could quickly become a key player across the quickly developing continent.
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:46 pm

They should be flying YYZ before 2022 because UAE and Canada had talks to increase frequency of flights between the two countries and letting EK add YYC and YVR eventually when the agreement happens. This would be unfair to Qatar as it would be the only one with a 3 times a week flying agreement to Canada. I'm sure because of the UAE and Canada air agreement talks, Qatar should fight for the same rights so that they can fly into YYZ, YYC, and YVR.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:51 pm

SEA is possible, but I would be a little surprised considering that SEA can barely support EK. But we'll see what happens. I think it could be a race between Qatar and Turkish...if it happens at all.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:58 pm

SEA won't be able to support EK anymore once it goes to YVR. A lot of the SEA traffic on EK comes from Canada.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:06 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
MNL



MNL is already a destination for QR.

I don't know how they will support this kind of expansion when they also have to open their books as per their agreement regarding the subsidy spat with the US.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:27 pm

Arion640 wrote:
opticalilyushin wrote:
The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.


Then they will become one of the few airlines in the world to serve all 3 UK Countries.


4 countries of the U.K., something even BA don’t do
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:17 pm

axiom wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
opticalilyushin wrote:
The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.


Then they will become one of the few airlines in the world to serve all 3 UK Countries.


Think you mean four ;-)


I certainly mean 4!! I’m a UK Citizen so i definitely know there’s 4 countries! Haha.
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Arion640 wrote:
axiom wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Then they will become one of the few airlines in the world to serve all 3 UK Countries.


Think you mean four ;-)


I certainly mean 4!! I’m a UK Citizen so i definitely know there’s 4 countries! Haha.



Cannot deny, I was surprised when they added Cardiff to their flight roster...
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:50 pm

I would not be surprised if they hit this target. Getting restricted bilaterals relaxed is probably a big part of this strategy and the strength of the network forms a kind of snowball effect that gives QR a lot of leverage and bargaining power as the network grows. Especially when talking to small airports for whom QR could be the first big int'l airline, those airports will do everything they can to get QR, a win-win-win for QR, the airport, and pax.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:48 pm

george77300 wrote:
neomax wrote:
I can immediately think of 10 in North America:

EWR
DTW
MCO

PHX
DEN
SAN

SEA
YYZ

YYC

YVR

It is a fact that QR is going to pick some of these, which ones nobody knows.


I’m pretty sure they can’t in Canada currently. Only serve one city I think. QR chose YUL and Emirates only YYZ. I’m sure they’d love too but currently not able to.


What do Qatar and the UAE have to do with each other? Wouldn't they both be on separate agreements.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:16 am

I see a lot untapped potential in Southeast Asia. Indonesian secondary cities and a few elsewhere as well. CEB, DVO, Siem Reap...
 
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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:40 am

I'm just not seeing the O&D traffic to help this hub be profitable. EU to Africa is increasingly ADD and I expect the new IST to be attractive.

We just went through a shock drop in oil prices in the region.

Etihad took the red pill
Qatar took the blue pill.

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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:39 am

opticalilyushin wrote:
The CEO quoted Belfast as the next UK route.

IMO, this would be a great route - Northern Ireland has strong ties to many places in the QR network - particularly Australia and New Zealand.

A 321NEO could easily do this service, and a narrow-body would probably be the best fit to start with (something EK doesn't have). Let's see.

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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:07 am

Hey planemanofnz,
A few points...
- I never said that the Gold Coast would be served non-stop... And mate I know the runway limitations there, intimately actually.
- Auckland might have been the only kiwi point of interest to AAB 'a few months ago' ... But a few months ago Qatar were not proclaiming the expansion goal that they are now, nor was Etihad having a draw-down in our region....
- Yes, I am aware that Fiji said no to Qatar operating from Sydney to Fiji a while ago, but what if Qatar wanted a routing into Fiji that DIDN'T threaten one of Fiji Airways major routes? And no, I don't have alternate to suggest to Doha-Sydney-Fiji but il do some research. Plus, Fiji Airways is now closer to the oneworld alliance that Qatar is also in...
- I have immediate family in Cairns holidaying as we speak ... I'll let you know if they can find out anything from local contacts up there re: Qatar. Cairns would be unlikely in my opinion, but definitely more feasible that Townsville or Hobart, and none of those three would suffer restrictions under the current agreements. Would a Doha-Cairns-Brisbane or even -Townsville work? Or something like Doha-Adelaide-Hobart? I have no idea of the market numbers...
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:14 am

master14225 wrote:
SEA won't be able to support EK anymore once it goes to YVR. A lot of the SEA traffic on EK comes from Canada.


That will happen only if the Canadian Government lifts their protectionism with Air Canada.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:15 am

lightsaber wrote:
I'm just not seeing the O&D traffic to help this hub be profitable. EU to Africa is increasingly ADD and I expect the new IST to be attractive.

We just went through a shock drop in oil prices in the region.

Etihad took the red pill
Qatar took the blue pill.

Lightsaber


Maybe it's different now, but a decade ago, there really wasn't much reason to visit Qatar as a tourist. It might be ok for a layover for a couple of days...kind of a Dubai lite, but that's about it.

I lived there for a couple of years and there were many days when it seemed like their number one industry was boredom.

What they do have a lot of is money...huge mountains of cash. They can keep QR afloat forever. I don't think they are really even pretending to care if the airline makes a profit. With the relations with their neighbors in the dump, I reckon they will make QR as big as they can, for no other reason than to flip the bird to the other guys.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:17 am

QR don’t forget capital of the Silicon Valley SJC, please!
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:38 am

QR is expected to announce 5 weekly DOH-GOT on the Dreamliner, starting this winter!
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:40 am

thgsr08 wrote:
MNL
SFO
YVR
PDX
DSS
LIS
KIX
OOL
GIG
SCL

Manila is already one of QR’s biggest destinations!
They serve MNL 18x weekly onboard the 77W and CRK daily with the 787...
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:54 am

Flightsimboy wrote:
george77300 wrote:
neomax wrote:
I can immediately think of 10 in North America:

EWR
DTW
MCO

PHX
DEN
SAN

SEA
YYZ

YYC

YVR

It is a fact that QR is going to pick some of these, which ones nobody knows.


I’m pretty sure they can’t in Canada currently. Only serve one city I think. QR chose YUL and Emirates only YYZ. I’m sure they’d love too but currently not able to.


What do Qatar and the UAE have to do with each other? Wouldn't they both be on separate agreements.


I’m sure they are separate but one of the same. It’s to protect AC not jeopardise QR/EK. They are both 3x per week and for EK that’s YYZ and YUL for QR.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 am

Southern Europe could easily get a few new QR destinations:

Croatia: SPU, DBV
Greece: JTR
Italy: NAP, BLQ, BRI, CTA/PMO, CAG/OLB, TRN
Portugal: OPO
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:17 am

Few destinations in Sub-Sahara Africa also possible still:

MRU, TNR, HRE, LUN, LAD, FIH, LBV, DLA

Also think that with the 787 they could be the ideal to be first to launch Port Elizabeth (PLZ)'s first international services. Currently they operate a 4 weekly DOH-JNB-DUR...to better the DUR market and be more competitive against EK, maybe rather operate a 4 weekly DOH-DUR-PLZ, that way not leaving to DUR to be standalone but having a better option, while PLZ receives a service faster than connecting via JNB (and/or CPT/DUR)
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:29 am

I could see them starting to these destinations...

STN
KIX
DUR
DUS

I mean if they do want to have 220 destination by 2022 then most major and regional airports will be flown to in Europe.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:30 pm

I'd imagine QR is also eyeing NCL, given EK's performance in that market.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:13 pm

Taipei
Shenzhen
Chang Mai
Penang
Sylhert
Kabul
West Africa is underserved.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:28 pm

1. Look at the aircraft in the fleet and on order. Draw range circles on a map - not just standard conditions, but range circles which take into account winds and takeoff temps.

2. Make a list of airports which are within range and have decent economics - business demand and/of friends&family demand, and demand beyond the hub.

3. Strike from the list airports that are already well served.

4. Strike from the list airports where bilateral treaties don't presently allow (2023 isn't far away) expansions in service.

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Re: Qatar Airways plans to fly to 250 destinations by 2022

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:49 pm

Interesting but I do not think they are going to meet that goal ! they are heavily subsidized by gov. and they're losing money on daily basis ! I wonder when they will release their financial statement ! they mentioned it would be June 2018 but now it's July and nothing published yet
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:30 pm

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Interesting but I do not think they are going to meet that goal ! they are heavily subsidized by gov. and they're losing money on daily basis ! I wonder when they will release their financial statement ! they mentioned it would be June 2018 but now it's July and nothing published yet

Agreement with the USA is released audited financial statements to prove service to/from the states is not subsidized.

EY seems to be honest and took the red pill to comply.

QR seems to have taken the blue pill and is playing a game of chicken.

As a poster above noted, QR could be expanding to get back at neighbors. But that is cash destructive. EK, TK, and ET are profitable and will be despite QR's growth. This is taking billions of cash and creating a bonfire.

It would be better to invest in industry to create O&D demand.

Bravado is not a business strategy.

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Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:59 pm

GRJGeorge wrote:
Few destinations in Sub-Sahara Africa also possible still:

MRU, TNR, HRE, LUN, LAD, FIH, LBV, DLA

Also think that with the 787 they could be the ideal to be first to launch Port Elizabeth (PLZ)'s first international services. Currently they operate a 4 weekly DOH-JNB-DUR...to better the DUR market and be more competitive against EK, maybe rather operate a 4 weekly DOH-DUR-PLZ, that way not leaving to DUR to be standalone but having a better option, while PLZ receives a service faster than connecting via JNB (and/or CPT/DUR)

Rumour has it, that EK and MK put some pressure on the Government not to let QR into MRU a few years ago.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:05 pm

neomax wrote:
I can immediately think of 10 in North America:

EWR
DTW
MCO

PHX
DEN
SAN

SEA
YYZ

YYC

YVR

It is a fact that QR is going to pick some of these, which ones nobody knows.



SAN (San Diego) isn't happening due to runway/terrain limitations. At least not without an intermediary stop on the way back to DOH.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:07 pm

lalib wrote:
Taipei
Shenzhen
Chang Mai
Penang
Sylhert
Kabul
West Africa is underserved.


QR already flies to Taipei (Cargo), Chang Mai, Penang
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:40 pm

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PDX? Yeh, right!

I think whoever mentioned PDX on here was referring to a possible cargo destination.
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:17 pm

They could easily serve dozens more destinations if they could return to other middle east destinations
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:11 am

WLG is absent an ME3 carrier. I recall reading previously that EK were interested but didn't have a small enough aircraft to land on the runway. There were also rumours of etihad last year but given their current status unlikely. QR operate smaller aircraft such as the a350 (wlg had the a350 in for runway testing recently) and b787 which could work, although it would have to tag via somewhere in Australia or Asia due to runway.

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