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Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Welcome to the Farnborough Air Show 2018 Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Please share your pictures of the show below. For general discussion unrelated to actual orders, please use this thread, there will be official order threads for discussion on orders and commitments announced.

Some aircraft on display at the show include

Airbus

A220-300 - Airbus House Colors & Air Baltic
A321-200neo
A330-900neo - TAP Portugal
A350-1000 - Qatar Airways
A380-800 - HiFly

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... farnb.html

Boeing

737MAX7 - Boeing House Colors
737MAX8 - Air Italy
747-8F - Qatar Airways Cargo & AirBridgeCargo
767-300(BCF) - Royal Air Maroc
777-300/ER - Qatar Airways
787-8 - Biman Bangladesh

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-09- ... al-Airshow

Other Manufacturers

AN-124 - Volga-Dnepr
Executive Gulfstream G500 - Qatar Airways
JetSuiteX E-135 - Qatar Airways
MRJ-90

Just a reminder to all users, lets keep the Airbus vs Boeing flamewar out of the discussion so everyone can enjoy the show
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:33 pm

Interesting no Bombardier or ATR representation.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:34 pm

Isn’t Bombadier a part of Airbus now ?
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:38 pm

Theproudbird wrote:
Isn’t Bombadier a part of Airbus now ?


Just the CSeries is part of Airbus their Q series and CRJ series is still under the Bombardier umbrella
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:42 pm

The Biman 787 is N1015B (to be S2-AJS once delivered) and has already arrived (11 July)
The MRJ is JA23MJ and has also already arrived (10 July)
PT-ZNJ is the KC-390, UR-EXP the An-178, MM62280 the ATR-72MP
Leonardo's helicopters have also already arrived (including a Brazilian Navy Lynx)
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:53 pm

Just seen a MotorSich AN12 land UR11819
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:06 pm

Ok.. I guess even rumored orders with valid sources aren't ok over there. I'll post here then.. I feel like sourced rumors were ok in years past.


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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:10 pm

Would you add in the start date and end date of the show in the OP for reference? Thanks.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:19 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
Just seen a MotorSich AN12 land UR11819

Seems to have come from Ankara.
Hope it's still in on Monday !
 
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:12 pm

Bombardier sends a Delte CRJ900
https://twitter.com/BBD_Aircraft/status ... 4044018689

Embraer has send this E190-E2 with a nice custom paint job on the nose.
https://twitter.com/PawelKuziola/status ... 5257131008
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:52 pm

Embraer definitely stepping up the game against Bombardier there. Noone cares about that boring Delta livery.

Now that shark on the front of the E2. That is going to get a lot of media attention. I'll venture to say they get their money's worth there.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:18 pm

How about the QR A35K ?
On the production list, I see no QR A35K that is on the flightline or anywhere close to ready to delivery. I guess that means it is just QR that comes and brings one of its own, already delivered, planes. That seems a bit strange to me, as I would expect them to keep their newest and efficient planes in service...
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:20 pm

That's fair. I shouldn't speak for others. I partially withdraw my statement.

Still, Embraer is definitely making a splash and will win the popularity contest in the media with that livery.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:30 pm

Theseus wrote:
How about the QR A35K ?
On the production list, I see no QR A35K that is on the flightline or anywhere close to ready to delivery. I guess that means it is just QR that comes and brings one of its own, already delivered, planes. That seems a bit strange to me, as I would expect them to keep their newest and efficient planes in service...


I'm not saying it will be A7-ANC but this aircraft (#110) was noted at TLS in full QR c/s on 6 July.

Alternatively, QR have had a massive presence at recent Farnborough shows and may be prepared to take an aircraft out of service for a few days for the show.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:43 pm

I am hoping for some major orders this year. I really want the E2 to pick up 100 or so orders to make it viable. I want A220 to do well as well and I can see Ryanair ordering the MAX 10
 
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:07 pm

Seems the show is not complete without this..... :indifferent: .....

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https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/fotogra ... iginal.jpg

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... pe-449875/

With the Italian's withdrawing from the program, things are not looking too rosy for the SSJ100..... :pessimist:


Likewise, Embraer's E175E2 must be waiting for a break in U.S. scope clauses before a prototype makes an appearance (would love to see that shark livery on one). Fortunately, the (now) Airbus A221 may have an easier going itself than before. :optimist:
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:12 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Embraer definitely stepping up the game against Bombardier there. Noone cares about that boring Delta livery.

Now that shark on the front of the E2. That is going to get a lot of media attention. I'll venture to say they get their money's worth there.


The point of the Bombardier plane is to display what is inside...a refreshed interior that their engineers have been working hard to bring to market. It's actually a solid interior as Zodiac (the provider of the interior) is working to help sell it as a retrofit. On the Embraer side, Zodiac is already offering retrofit options that exceed the level of improvement set in some of the E2 interior components.
 
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:30 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Embraer definitely stepping up the game against Bombardier there. Noone cares about that boring Delta livery.

Now that shark on the front of the E2. That is going to get a lot of media attention. I'll venture to say they get their money's worth there.


Do you really believe that paint scheme is going to make an airline choose the model? As with most all airshows, airlines know ahead of time what they are going to buy.
 
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:35 pm

toneal wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Embraer definitely stepping up the game against Bombardier there. Noone cares about that boring Delta livery.

Now that shark on the front of the E2. That is going to get a lot of media attention. I'll venture to say they get their money's worth there.


The point of the Bombardier plane is to display what is inside...a refreshed interior that their engineers have been working hard to bring to market. It's actually a solid interior as Zodiac (the provider of the interior) is working to help sell it as a retrofit. On the Embraer side, Zodiac is already offering retrofit options that exceed the level of improvement set in some of the E2 interior components.


Has Zodiac resolved their production issues yet? They have had a pretty disastrous few years.
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Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:31 pm

I think that WN will put in an order for at least 60 additional Boeing 737 MAX 7 planes (in addition to the 30 737 MAX 7 planes already ordered) to replace the oldest 737-700 planes in the WN fleet.
 
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:13 am

Antarius wrote:
toneal wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Embraer definitely stepping up the game against Bombardier there. Noone cares about that boring Delta livery.

Now that shark on the front of the E2. That is going to get a lot of media attention. I'll venture to say they get their money's worth there.


The point of the Bombardier plane is to display what is inside...a refreshed interior that their engineers have been working hard to bring to market. It's actually a solid interior as Zodiac (the provider of the interior) is working to help sell it as a retrofit. On the Embraer side, Zodiac is already offering retrofit options that exceed the level of improvement set in some of the E2 interior components.


Has Zodiac resolved their production issues yet? They have had a pretty disastrous few years.


There hasn't been any negative press about them in a while that I'm aware of. Maybe the takeover by SAFRAN has have got things in order.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:59 am

Speaking of which how about MC21?
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:40 am

Gulfstream is also sending at least a G600. I wouldn’t doubt if the G280 also made a trek over.
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Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

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Speaking of which how about MC21?
It's not coming. The Russian state owned manufactures will not be attanding this year because of the diplomatic issues between the UK and Russia.
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:38 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
toneal wrote:

The point of the Bombardier plane is to display what is inside...a refreshed interior that their engineers have been working hard to bring to market. It's actually a solid interior as Zodiac (the provider of the interior) is working to help sell it as a retrofit. On the Embraer side, Zodiac is already offering retrofit options that exceed the level of improvement set in some of the E2 interior components.


Has Zodiac resolved their production issues yet? They have had a pretty disastrous few years.


There hasn't been any negative press about them in a while that I'm aware of. Maybe the takeover by SAFRAN has have got things in order.


There are many arms of Zodiac within their interiors groups. Each one has their own strengths and weaknesses. Those who work the CSeries program are not necessarily those who work on CRJ or ERJ. The retrofit team is also a completely separate group. Beyond that, the Safran takeover seems to be having good impacts already. Some of my contacts are feeling very encouraged by it all. The place that really needs help is their Seats organization (a separate company from the interiors groups). They combined the work/operations from two cities into one and the transition is going so poorly. That plus a leadership group that is more interested in deflection rather than owning their issues is certainly not a recipe for success.

Also, ATW just released an article regarding Bombardier's confidence in Zodiac for the Atmosphere interior compared to what was experienced with CSeries.

http://m.atwonline.com/farnborough-airshow-2018/bombardier-confident-new-supply-chain-crj
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:50 pm

Hopefully MRJ will see some orders.
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G500Captain wrote:
Gulfstream is also sending at least a G600. I wouldn’t doubt if the G280 also made a trek over.


Will gulfstream have any major announcements? A few posts around here have been bouncing around about potential g750. Or is gulfstream really just focusing on improving their existing products and streamlining production right now? They're going to start seeing competition creeping up from cessna on their lower tier aircraft before long.
 
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G500Captain wrote:
Gulfstream is also sending at least a G600. I wouldn’t doubt if the G280 also made a trek over.


Gulfstream demo aircraft:
N600G G600
N505GD G500
N511GD G500
Are all inbound and due into Farnborough later this evening.

and onto to other demo aircraft at Farnborough:
EI-GGK 737MAX8 Air Italy
PR-ZGQ E190-E2
D-CSNC Do328

And ..... G-UZMA Easyjet's first A321-251NX was delivered to LTN this afternoon and is due to be at Farnborough on Wed 18 July (only)
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Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:42 pm

Mitsubishi sent the MRJ painted in the ANA colors and she made the trip in 3 hops. Moses Lake, Bangor, Iceland, and Farnborough

Why Bangor and not Boston?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja23mj/
 
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so much Qatar, wow. Shouldn't the JetSuitex plane be in B6 colors, they are now running scheduled service with them intra-California. Seems they need to spice up the carriers there, too much Qatar
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so much Qatar, wow. Shouldn't the JetSuitex plane be in B6 colors, they are now running scheduled service with them intra-California. Seems they need to spice up the carriers there, too much Qatar

QR have the deepest pockets for promoting themselves. Just look at every venue at the World Cup - QR are the main advertiser on the pitch-side billboards. He who pays the piper calls the tunes....
 
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Welcome to the Farnborough Air Show 2018 Official Picture and General Discussion Thread


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Will the plane be painted by the 18th? I know it went to the paint shop last week but I havent seen any pic from our Maltese spotters who are actually quite active usually.
 
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:32 pm

Expect also to see an ET Q400 (ET-AVR)
 
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ordell wrote:
Mitsubishi sent the MRJ painted in the ANA colors and she made the trip in 3 hops. Moses Lake, Bangor, Iceland, and Farnborough

Why Bangor and not Boston?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja23mj/


Bangor is a common tech stop for jets making the trip across North America to Europe or vice versa
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Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:49 pm

None of these threads says anything about when FAS is taking place. Is it this month? Next month?
 
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16-22 July
 
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so much Qatar, wow. Shouldn't the JetSuitex plane be in B6 colors, they are now running scheduled service with them intra-California. Seems they need to spice up the carriers there, too much Qatar

Really excited about JetsuiteX prospects. I really think everyone running away from 30-50pax planes / routes is leaving opportunities and money on the table for JetsuiteX.
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ordell wrote:
Mitsubishi sent the MRJ painted in the ANA colors and she made the trip in 3 hops. Moses Lake, Bangor, Iceland, and Farnborough

Why Bangor and not Boston?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja23mj/

They probably sent advance maintenance teams to BGR rather than Boston and arranged for their Access to the flight line as well. Which might not be so easy at Boston.
 
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Any news/rumours about Netherlands Aircraft Company (aka REKKOF)?
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:24 pm

Media have been given a tour of the E190-E2 this morning

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https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 0093623296

Video of takeoff

https://twitter.com/HowardSlutsken/stat ... 1086778369
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:47 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
ordell wrote:
Mitsubishi sent the MRJ painted in the ANA colors and she made the trip in 3 hops. Moses Lake, Bangor, Iceland, and Farnborough

Why Bangor and not Boston?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja23mj/

They probably sent advance maintenance teams to BGR rather than Boston and arranged for their Access to the flight line as well. Which might not be so easy at Boston.


Advanced maintenace team? It only flew from Washington to Maine.
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:33 pm

I love the shark paint. "Profit Hunter!"
 
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CPHFF wrote:
Any news/rumours about Netherlands Aircraft Company (aka REKKOF)?

No. Thankfully.

For those wondering what we're talking about, here is a trip back to 2014 Farnborough:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ad-401444/
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:02 pm

QR15 just passed over my area en route to LHR - so guess their timing is just perfect
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:37 pm

Interesting article in the WSJ today about comments made by Airbus at the airshow.

Seems that Airbus is having significant delays delivering the A321neo because of the engine manufacturer: CFM.

I did a double-take. "Don't they mean Pratt?", I asked myself. But they kept saying CFM and LEAP. Huh.

After all the talk on here about Pratt's problems, I did not realize how much trouble Airbus is having getting a reliable supply of working LEAPs.

At the airshow, both Pratt and Airbus claim that Pratt has caught up with its engine supply schedule, and is stockpiling extras. Wow. That's a big turnaround.

It appears that the Pratt customers will be getting their aircraft on time while the LEAP customers won't -- at least in the near future.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-air ... _lead_pos7
 
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It appears that the Pratt customers will be getting their aircraft on time while the LEAP customers won't -- at least in the near future.


Yesterday, CFM executives stated that they believe production of LEAP engines will be back on schedule by the end of 2018.
 
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According to LeFigaro.fr, Airbus is in talks with Viva Aerobus about a new order of up to 40 A320 neo.
 
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:58 pm

ordell wrote:
Mitsubishi sent the MRJ painted in the ANA colors and she made the trip in 3 hops. Moses Lake, Bangor, Iceland, and Farnborough

Why Bangor and not Boston?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja23mj/


A multitude of reasons
- Further east
-Lower landing costs (Jet A is $3.71/gallon cheaper in BGR)
-Less competing traffic (not wasting fuel waiting in line to take off)
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:28 am

Early indications show airbus will make a big impact at this year's show.

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