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Can someone list all the orders that Boeing has received during the airshow? Thanks!
 
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Flyglobal wrote:
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Still no more 747-8i pax , very des appointing .....

Boeing has given up up actively trying to sell the 748i. You will probably never see one built again.


Didn't the POTUS just sign an order with Boeing for 2 presidential Aircraft?

Boeing should add it as a reconfirmed order.

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Those are two frames already built but stored. They are also already on Boeing’s books since last August.
 
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673 orders and commitments announced at the show, includes 145 unidentified orders previously booked

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Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm

All the deals from the past 4 days.

Day 1
DHL: 14x 777F (part UFO, part MoU) + (7 purchase rights)
Jackson Square Aviation: 30x 737 MAX (UFO)
Qatar Airways: 5x 777F (Firm)
United Airlines: 4x 787-9 (UFO)
Tarom: 5x 737 MAX (UFO)
Goshawk Aviation: 20x 737 MAX (UFO)
GOL: 15x 737 MAX (Firm) + (30x 737 MAX 10 Conversion from existing order)
Jet Airways: 75x 737 MAX (UFO)

Day 2
Volga-Dnepr Group: 5x 747-F (Firm) + 29x 777F (LoI)
Air Lease Corporation: 3x 787-9 + 20x 737 MAX (Firm) + 55x 737 MAX (Commitment)
Aviation Capital Group: 20x 737 MAX (Commitment)
VISTARA: 6x 787-9 (Firm ? ) + 4 options
Seacons Trading: 1x 737 MAX 7 BBJ (Firm)

and this one for conversion, so no new planes:
GECAS; 35x 737-800BCF converted freighters


Day 3
VietJet: 80x 737 MAX 10 + 20x 737 MAX 8 (MoU)
4 Undisclosed customers: 93x 737 MAX 8 (commitment)


Day 4
Unidentified customer: 100x 737 MAX (commitment)
Hawaiian Airlines: 10x 787-9 (Firm) + 10x purchase rights
Two unidentified customers: 15x 787-9 (commitment)
Novus Aviation Capital: 4x 777-300ER (commitment)


I count 55 new firm orders.
 
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15 B787-9 more for 2 costumers


One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners



So does that mean the accounting block is finished?
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:46 pm

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673 orders and commitments announced at the show, includes 145 unidentified orders previously booked


Max did very well this week. :D
 
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pabloeing wrote:
15 B787-9 more for 2 costumers


One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners



So does that mean the accounting block is finished?


It's really just an invitation to increase the accounting block yet again. 'See, orders are great. There's little risk of a write-down from failing to hit the accounting block number at some date in the distant future.' That allows them to book higher profits with every current delivery.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:15 pm

Well done Boeing! That was a great air show for them.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:20 pm

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The pic shows 20 x 767 orders and at the bottom it states "Lufthansa Cargo". I haven't seen any info on either of the two - can somebody fill me in? Maybe I have just overlooked the posts with the particular orders.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:22 pm

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The pic shows 20 x 767 orders and at the bottom it states "Lufthansa Cargo". I haven't seen any info on either of the two - can somebody fill me in? Maybe I have just overlooked the posts with the particular orders.

That is the orders Boeing already had coming into the show (aka 1st half 2018 orders). They had a total of 20 767s sold (11x Fedex, 4x UPS, 5x UFO). LH cargo ordered 2 77Fs earlier this year, so they are listed as a customer Boeing had this year coming into the show.
 
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Passing 1400 frames for the 787 is impressive.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:29 pm

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The pic shows 20 x 767 orders and at the bottom it states "Lufthansa Cargo". I haven't seen any info on either of the two - can somebody fill me in? Maybe I have just overlooked the posts with the particular orders.


I'm pretty sure all the 767s are for UPS and FX. LH Cargo ordered a couple of 77Fs a few weeks ago IIRC.

Momo1435 wrote:
All the deals from the past 4 days.

Day 1
DHL: 14x 777F (part UFO, part MoU) + (7 purchase rights)
Jackson Square Aviation: 30x 737 MAX (UFO)
Qatar Airways: 5x 777F (Firm)
United Airlines: 4x 787-9 (UFO)
Tarom: 5x 737 MAX (UFO)
Goshawk Aviation: 20x 737 MAX (UFO)
GOL: 15x 737 MAX (Firm) + (30x 737 MAX 10 Conversion from existing order)
Jet Airways: 75x 737 MAX (UFO)

Day 2
Volga-Dnepr Group: 5x 747-F (Firm) + 29x 777F (LoI)
Air Lease Corporation: 3x 787-9 + 20x 737 MAX (Firm) + 55x 737 MAX (Commitment)
Aviation Capital Group: 20x 737 MAX (Commitment)
VISTARA: 6x 787-9 (Firm ? ) + 4 options
Seacons Trading: 1x 737 MAX 7 BBJ (Firm)

and this one for conversion, so no new planes:
GECAS; 35x 737-800BCF converted freighters


Day 3
VietJet: 80x 737 MAX 10 + 20x 737 MAX 8 (MoU)
4 Undisclosed customers: 93x 737 MAX 8 (commitment)


Day 4
Unidentified customer: 100x 737 MAX (commitment)
Hawaiian Airlines: 10x 787-9 (Firm) + 10x purchase rights
Two unidentified customers: 15x 787-9 (commitment)
Novus Aviation Capital: 4x 777-300ER (commitment)


I count 55 new firm orders.


I count 65 firm with today's HA firming up of their prior MOU.

Boeing have very creatively inflated their numbers (I especially like the asterisk)...and I'm sure Airbus will do the same too...unless Airbus vastly out-firmed Boeing and then they'll spin it that way. It's fun to watch the spin docs at work.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:35 pm

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Boeing have very creatively inflated their numbers (I especially like the asterisk)...and I'm sure Airbus will do the same too...unless Airbus vastly out-firmed Boeing and then they'll spin it that way. It's fun to watch the spin docs at work.


Why is everyone getting so bothered by marketing (you may not as you clearly understand spinning things)? Of course any company, any person really, wants to paint themselves in the best light. So, they show bigger numbers. It isn't "creative" inflation, or misleading as some suggest. Moreover, this is done every year at every show...its nothing new.

Boeing had a good show. Wasn't amazing, IMO, but good. Would have been great to see some 777X orders and some of the unidentified announcements with actual customers, though.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:47 pm

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Just something I noticed in the list of customers so far this year.

Etihad

This year there has really only been talk about possible cancellations when it come to Etihad and their orderbook. The only UFO order that could be for them would be a 787-9 order, could it be something else.

Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:55 pm

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Just something I noticed in the list of customers so far this year.

Etihad

This year there has really only been talk about possible cancellations when it come to Etihad and their orderbook. The only UFO order that could be for them would be a 787-9 order, could it be something else.

Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.


Wow, great catch! Strikes me as odd, however, given their financial difficulties. I wonder if there is a 787 swap with -10s or something.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:10 pm

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qf789 wrote:


The pic shows 20 x 767 orders and at the bottom it states "Lufthansa Cargo". I haven't seen any info on either of the two - can somebody fill me in? Maybe I have just overlooked the posts with the particular orders.


I'm pretty sure all the 767s are for UPS and FX. LH Cargo ordered a couple of 77Fs a few weeks ago IIRC.

https://airlinerwatch.com/lufthansa-gro ... eing-777f/
LH ordered 2 77F in April and confirmed them last week. Depending on cargo demand, replacement for 2 MD-11 or expansion.

Edit: The linked post talks about orders prior to Farnborough.
 
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Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.


I don't know who MA is but the other will be ANA Cargo I expect. They have their first 777F coming in around 20 frames time from now.
 
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Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.


I don't know who MA is but the other will be ANA Cargo I expect. They have their first 777F coming in around 20 frames time from now.


The MA is Malaysia Airlines
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Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.


I don't know who MA is but the other will be ANA Cargo I expect. They have their first 777F coming in around 20 frames time from now.

That could be it, they might have named it Nippon Cargo and not ANA Cargo by mistake.
 
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Someone needs to find a shot of the slide without the man’s head. I for the life of me cannot think of any airline or lessor with a name starting with Ma and short enough to fit in that space before Nippon.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:38 pm

Guess they’re not done...

BA commits to 3 more 77W’s, through a lease

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... -Airplanes
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British Airways announce commitment for 3 77W's, though they will be leased

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So if that's the case, what's Airbus' excuse for all the UFO's that they have accumulated at this airshow?


They could be orders by CASC for Chinese mainland carriers.

I have a feeling CASC might very well have been planning a significant Airbus and Boeing buy and with no official State Visits planned between China and the US / EU for the remainder of the year, Farnborough would have been the most logical place to announce them to secure maximum media attention. So the plan would have been to announce all these commitments with a mainland Chinese carrier behind them, but now with the trade dispute, the Chinese government decided to not announce those carriers so everything is coming up Unidentified.
 
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Guess they’re not done...

BA commits to 3 more 77W’s, through a lease

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... -Airplanes

I was wondering if Novus Aviation Capital already had a customer for their order earlier today. I don't see any other leasing company with open orders left on the orderbook, unless there are some UFO orders from a leasing company.

Novus almost certainly has a customer lined up. They wouldn’t place a speculative order/commitment this late in the 77W’s life, they would speculate with the 787.
 
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Guess they’re not done...

BA commits to 3 more 77W’s, through a lease

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... -Airplanes

I was wondering if Novus Aviation Capital already had a customer for their order earlier today. I don't see any other leasing company with open orders left on the orderbook, unless there are some UFO orders from a leasing company.
 
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Someone needs to find a shot of the slide without the man’s head. I for the life of me cannot think of any airline or lessor with a name starting with Ma and short enough to fit in that space before Nippon.


It is Malaysia Airlines, I did see another screen shot of it but now I cant find it
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Boeing have very creatively inflated their numbers (I especially like the asterisk)...and I'm sure Airbus will do the same too...unless Airbus vastly out-firmed Boeing and then they'll spin it that way. It's fun to watch the spin docs at work.


Why is everyone getting so bothered by marketing (you may not as you clearly understand spinning things)? Of course any company, any person really, wants to paint themselves in the best light. So, they show bigger numbers. It isn't "creative" inflation, or misleading as some suggest. Moreover, this is done every year at every show...its nothing new.

Boeing had a good show. Wasn't amazing, IMO, but good. Would have been great to see some 777X orders and some of the unidentified announcements with actual customers, though.


But than it should be aloud to talk about net numbers. New firm orders, without MOU, LOI, options, conversions or disclosing previous UFOs. Plain the addition to the order book. That is what we talk about the year around and even throw firm orders in doubt. We can than talk and add the MOU, LOI, options and commitments, when they get firmed.
 
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But than it should be aloud to talk about net numbers. New firm orders, without MOU, LOI, options, conversions or disclosing previous UFOs. Plain the addition to the order book. That is what we talk about the year around and even throw firm orders in doubt. We can than talk and add the MOU, LOI, options and commitments, when they get firmed.


That is why we have the master Order Threads that are updated monthly with the official numbers from Airbus and Boeing.

Farnborough and Paris are the biggest aviation events of their respective years and the only time the entire media - not just aviation - pay attention to what is going on. The OEMs and the airlines want to make as big a splash as they can during that attention.
 
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Seems likely that the 789 will be used for their longer trans-pacific routes, while the A332 will be used for routes closer to home, like GUM, PPT, PPG, and Mainland destinations.


I'd expect the reverse, at least unless HA plans to open the long-rumored LHR route. The 789 is quite a bit bigger than the 332 and its capacity will be welcome on the biggest mainland destinations: LAX, SFO SEA. Meanwhile the 332 has enough range to fly to any East Asia destination.
 
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British Airways announce commitment for 3 77W's, though they will be leased

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... -Airplanes

Will be interesting to see if they are 9 or 10 abreast in Y.


That thought went through my mind too. I really hope they are 9 abreast, if they are 10 then I assume the rest of the 77W fleet will follow and the BA pax experience will degrade still further.
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pabloeing wrote:
15 B787-9 more for 2 costumers


One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners


Any idea who is the new customer ?
 
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whatever happened to the rumored to the Saudia 77X order?


Deal is still under negotiation . No agreement yet but getting closer every day .

A new airshow is set to be launched in Q1 next year in Saudi Arabia and im guessing they will wait until then .

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qf789 wrote:
pabloeing wrote:
15 B787-9 more for 2 costumers


One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners


Wondering if one of these is Ethiopian. There was indication earlier this week that it is looking to augment its fleet of 789s, possibly doubling it. The reason it's not announced may be that ET has had a huge week (with Skytrax Award, Eritrea and such) that they didn't want to dilute some of that with yet another announcement.
 
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berari wrote:
qf789 wrote:
pabloeing wrote:
15 B787-9 more for 2 costumers


One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners


Wondering if one of these is Ethiopian. There was indication earlier this week that it is looking to augment its fleet of 789s, possibly doubling it. The reason it's not announced may be that ET has had a huge week (with Skytrax Award, Eritrea and such) that they didn't want to dilute some of that with yet another announcement.

I don't think ET made any order, since their CEO have stated to media don't expect anything from ET for this edition of FIA.
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juliuswong wrote:
berari wrote:
qf789 wrote:

One is a new customer while the other is adding to an existing order, once these deals are finalised the 787 will surpass 1400 frames sold

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... reamliners


Wondering if one of these is Ethiopian. There was indication earlier this week that it is looking to augment its fleet of 789s, possibly doubling it. The reason it's not announced may be that ET has had a huge week (with Skytrax Award, Eritrea and such) that they didn't want to dilute some of that with yet another announcement.

I don't think ET made any order, since their CEO have stated to media don't expect anything from ET for this edition of FIA.


and Akbar stated he wouldn't order the 777X and proceeds to order up to 100 of em. Sure he ain't Akbar but it is an unidentified commitment..
 
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RobK wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Ma*** (head) ***pon Cargo is/are also not identified on the order book, they are probably behind one of the UFO 777F orders.


I don't know who MA is but the other will be ANA Cargo I expect. They have their first 777F coming in around 20 frames time from now.


The MA is Malaysia Airlines



MH is their code, not MA.
 
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RobK wrote:

I don't know who MA is but the other will be ANA Cargo I expect. They have their first 777F coming in around 20 frames time from now.


The MA is Malaysia Airlines



MH is their code, not MA.


Boof02671 wrote:
MH is their code, not MA.


MH is the IATA code (normally passenger side)
MAS is the ICAO code

MAB is also used (picking up the Berhad in the official company name)

And i don't think Malev has come back from the dead to place the order
 
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In this context it doesn't matter what the codes are. The names of the airlines were fully written out, just without airlines or airways behind it. Malaysian Airlines and Nippon Cargo Airlines it is then.
 
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Momo1435 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
Guess they’re not done...

BA commits to 3 more 77W’s, through a lease

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-19- ... -Airplanes

I was wondering if Novus Aviation Capital already had a customer for their order earlier today. I don't see any other leasing company with open orders left on the orderbook, unless there are some UFO orders from a leasing company.

The previous aircraft were partly taken on ten year leases from GECAS. If anyone it'll be with them so maybe it's a deal between the three existing parties.

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