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United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:20 am

Announced at Farnborough United Airlines has order 25 E-175 along with 4 787-9's

E-175 will replace 25 CRJ-700, deliveries start 2019

Deliveries on 4 787-9's begin in 2020

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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:25 am

Boeing Press Release, the 789's were booked as a UFO

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-16- ... reamliners
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:30 am

I'm expecting another top-up order of B789s soon, with the idea of replacing the oldest B772s.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:30 am

Interesting. From my understanding of the scope clause, UA will only be able to put 70 seats on those E175s if it wants UAX to fly them. This should be similar to DL's recent order of CRJ-900s, which are also only getting 70 seats to replace CRJ-700s.

This should be yet another sign that UA is not going to order a 100 seater anytime soon. The economics must not work, so UA is likely going to keep trying to add cheap 319s and 73Gs along with making the most of RJs. I'm sure UA management are hoping they'll also be able to stonewall the pilots into scope relief sooner rather than later – to which I say "good luck."

787 order is smaller than I expected, though a trickle of a few frames at a time may tide them off until the NMA launch.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:35 am

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Announced at Farnborough United Airlines has order 25 E-175...


It will be interesting to find out how they negotiated this with ALPA and the scope restrictions. If I'm not mistaken, they were already at their max for 76-seaters without acquiring a new narrowbody. Did I miss something?
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:43 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Announced at Farnborough United Airlines has order 25 E-175...


It will be interesting to find out how they negotiated this with ALPA and the scope restrictions. If I'm not mistaken, they were already at their max for 76-seaters without acquiring a new narrowbody. Did I miss something?


Airways Magazine confirms that these E175s will only have 70 seats on them.

https://twitter.com/AvGeekJames/status/ ... 9859166210
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:44 am

Could be an order for E-175SC models similar to the DL deal. 70 seats with the option to configure them to 76 from the manufacturer down the road. As far as which regional will operate them, that’s the big question. Wonder if they got a special deal between the two with the Boeing/Embraer merger that was just announced.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:52 am

Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:54 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Announced at Farnborough United Airlines has order 25 E-175...


It will be interesting to find out how they negotiated this with ALPA and the scope restrictions. If I'm not mistaken, they were already at their max for 76-seaters without acquiring a new narrowbody. Did I miss something?


The article clearly says that they are being ordered to replace 25 CR7’s so there isn’t a scope issue. Now thestion is where are the 25 planes that are being replaced coming from? GoJet, and Mesa both fly the type for UA. Mesa has the 175 on property so they could just swap the planes, but Mesa has also proven themselves to not be able to crew their flights, so many Republic or Skywest will see these frames.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:56 am

Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:12 pm

I have a feeling these 25 E175's will replace the 20 CRJ700's currently being flown by Mesa as their previous deals were similar with the planes being owned by United as opposed to Mesa.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:14 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?

UA has been willing to be an opportunistic buyer, grabbing a few frames from various sources as needs evolve. For instance, they grabbed end-of-line 77Ws when that made sense for them. It's not surprising to me at least to see them grabbing a few 789 frames when it makes sense to do so.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:27 pm

Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?

It's not their 1st smaller top-up order, the previous one was for just 2 placed at the last day of 2015. So this doesn't really say anything about if the current needs are completed.

But in the light of the 767 replacement competition there could be something more behind, and even be a bit of a bitter sweet order for Boeing. But we will only know if they will also place a larger Airbus order as well at the air show. Otherwise that decision could still be out, with these 4 just firming up options that came close to the firming up deadline.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:49 pm

I would bet this is the beginning of TSH getting chipped away, with GoJet being the company losing flying in this deal
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The article clearly says that they are being ordered to replace 25 CR7’s so there isn’t a scope issue.

UA scope is specific about maximum 76 seaters at 153 and maximum 51+ at 255 total.

The only way they stay scope neutral is by configuring these E75s with only 70 seats which is confirmed by another poster.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:22 pm

george77300 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.


Without having read the United Fleet thread. Why would UA announce 4 789 orders (previously UFO) to just announce a larger 787 order tomorrow? That seems unusual; that is, they would just wrap these 4 into the larger order and say "4 were previously booked at UFO."
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:27 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
george77300 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.


Without having read the United Fleet thread. Why would UA announce 4 789 orders (previously UFO) to just announce a larger 787 order tomorrow? That seems unusual; that is, they would just wrap these 4 into the larger order and say "4 were previously booked at UFO."


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Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:44 pm

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intotheair wrote:
Interesting. From my understanding of the scope clause, UA will only be able to put 70 seats on those E175s if it wants UAX to fly them. This should be similar to DL's recent order of CRJ-900s, which are also only getting 70 seats to replace CRJ-700s.

This should be yet another sign that UA is not going to order a 100 seater anytime soon. The economics must not work, so UA is likely going to keep trying to add cheap 319s and 73Gs along with making the most of RJs. I'm sure UA management are hoping they'll also be able to stonewall the pilots into scope relief sooner rather than later – to which I say "good luck."

787 order is smaller than I expected, though a trickle of a few frames at a time may tide them off until the NMA launch.

I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.


E2 is too heavy, its MTOW is outside of scope limits.
 
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intotheair wrote:
Interesting. From my understanding of the scope clause, UA will only be able to put 70 seats on those E175s if it wants UAX to fly them. This should be similar to DL's recent order of CRJ-900s, which are also only getting 70 seats to replace CRJ-700s.

This should be yet another sign that UA is not going to order a 100 seater anytime soon. The economics must not work, so UA is likely going to keep trying to add cheap 319s and 73Gs along with making the most of RJs. I'm sure UA management are hoping they'll also be able to stonewall the pilots into scope relief sooner rather than later – to which I say "good luck."

787 order is smaller than I expected, though a trickle of a few frames at a time may tide them off until the NMA launch.

I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:45 pm

E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Interesting. From my understanding of the scope clause, UA will only be able to put 70 seats on those E175s if it wants UAX to fly them. This should be similar to DL's recent order of CRJ-900s, which are also only getting 70 seats to replace CRJ-700s.

This should be yet another sign that UA is not going to order a 100 seater anytime soon. The economics must not work, so UA is likely going to keep trying to add cheap 319s and 73Gs along with making the most of RJs. I'm sure UA management are hoping they'll also be able to stonewall the pilots into scope relief sooner rather than later – to which I say "good luck."

787 order is smaller than I expected, though a trickle of a few frames at a time may tide them off until the NMA launch.

I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:39 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I'm expecting another top-up order of B789s soon, with the idea of replacing the oldest B772s.


I thought the 78Js were slated to replace the 772s?
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:41 pm

mxaxai wrote:
acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.

Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
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I wonder if this includes the enhanced wing tip they put on the E175 to increase payload and also it's my understanding it gave it an efficiency boost too. (only reason I ask was the link was to a 8 year old thread and I don't know when it was introduced).

Good order for Embraer (an entire quarter year of production in one order!)and Boeing, although I'm sure they were both hoping for something bigger. Hopefully that'll be coming later in the show but I'm thinking either they lost out on the other competitions or they haven't closed yet. Here's hoping I'm wrong and EMB and Boeing will get to celebrate with United round 2.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:44 pm

acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Interesting. From my understanding of the scope clause, UA will only be able to put 70 seats on those E175s if it wants UAX to fly them. This should be similar to DL's recent order of CRJ-900s, which are also only getting 70 seats to replace CRJ-700s.

This should be yet another sign that UA is not going to order a 100 seater anytime soon. The economics must not work, so UA is likely going to keep trying to add cheap 319s and 73Gs along with making the most of RJs. I'm sure UA management are hoping they'll also be able to stonewall the pilots into scope relief sooner rather than later – to which I say "good luck."

787 order is smaller than I expected, though a trickle of a few frames at a time may tide them off until the NMA launch.

I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.

Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:46 pm

Those numbers are pre-E-175 fuel burn improvement package. E-175 fuel burn has increased by 6.4% since those figures

https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... rovements/

Also, the CRJ-700 is a smaller airplane than the E-175, AA puts 76 seats on an E-175 vs 64 on a CRJ-700. I believe UA is stuck at 70 seats on any new E-175s per their scope agreement, but it's still a 6 seat improvement over the CRJ-700.


mxaxai wrote:
acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.

Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
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airtran737 wrote:
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The article clearly says that they are being ordered to replace 25 CR7’s so there isn’t a scope issue.

UA scope is specific about maximum 76 seaters at 153 and maximum 51+ at 255 total.

The only way they stay scope neutral is by configuring these E75s with only 70 seats which is confirmed by another poster.


It’s still a gain of 6 seats over the CR7 and a much better passenger experience.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:57 pm

mxaxai wrote:
acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.

Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
CRJ700
ETE:1+00 Burn:3203 Cruise:M77 FL:390

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ETE:1+00 Burn:3607 Cruise:M78 FL:350


You don't know how much more 12,500 United pilots would demand to be paid to allow 25 E2s to fly as United Express. Lots of people think it's $$$.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:02 pm

mxaxai wrote:
acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.

frigatebird wrote:
I wonder why UA didn't wait for the E175-E2. Were the CR7's so much in need of replacement? I realise the E2 version is a little bit larger than the E1, but still should be way more efficient.
And surely UA must have had a great deal with the E1, but with the current E2 orderbook Embraer would have made a great deal for those too.

Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
CRJ700
ETE:1+00 Burn:3203 Cruise:M77 FL:390

E175
ETE:1+00 Burn:3607 Cruise:M78 FL:350



It’s not that UA doesn’t want to pay UA Pilots rates for E175-E2, it more likely that if UA places the E2 at mainline, they would never be able to place it at a regional.

Once an E175-E2 gets put at a mainline carrier it will be a mainline airplane- see the DC-9. The original DC-9 is just about 4000LBS more than a CRJ900 or E175, - and seated less people. Today, the original DC-9 would have been designed to fit under that scope limit and a regional carrier would operate it. Today, a mainline carrier could never get the union to sign off on operating a DC-9 at a regional- because that’s a mainline aircraft. By the same token, they don’t want to see regionals get larger aircraft- so they have no interest in allowing a regional to go over the scope.

United never wants an E2 to be a mainline aircraft, so United won’t order it unless they can place it at a regional.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:12 pm

Question about these 70-seat E75s and CR9s: Since they'll only have 70 seats vs. 76, how will the extra space be divided up? For these aircraft, 6 seats is a row and a half of Y, so will these aircraft have roomier Y cabins as a result, or will the extra space be divided up between F, Y+, and Y?
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:18 pm

They're being sold as the E-175SC (special configuration). It increases the size of the premium cabin, but can be easily reconfigured into a regular E-175. Skywest has some in service right now with Delta and they have 12 F, 20 Y+ and 38 Y

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... 75-sc.html

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Question about these 70-seat E75s and CR9s: Since they'll only have 70 seats vs. 76, how will the extra space be divided up? For these aircraft, 6 seats is a row and a half of Y, so will these aircraft have roomier Y cabins as a result, or will the extra space be divided up between F, Y+, and Y?
 
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Underwhelming.
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acos24 wrote:
Those numbers are pre-E-175 fuel burn improvement package. E-175 fuel burn has increased by 6.4% since those figures

https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... rovements/

Also, the CRJ-700 is a smaller airplane than the E-175, AA puts 76 seats on an E-175 vs 64 on a CRJ-700. I believe UA is stuck at 70 seats on any new E-175s per their scope agreement, but it's still a 6 seat improvement over the CRJ-700.


mxaxai wrote:
acos24 wrote:
E175-E2 isn't in scope for any US carrier, it's overweight.


Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
CRJ700
ETE:1+00 Burn:3203 Cruise:M77 FL:390

E175
ETE:1+00 Burn:3607 Cruise:M78 FL:350

For United the CR7 seats 70. So it’s not a gain at all. Maybe eventually they’ll be able to reconfigure up to 76 seats but so far the company doesn’t appear to have any intentions to add a new narrowbody and pilots have zero intention to relax scope.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:58 pm

These 787s have been on Boeings books for a while and nothing to do with the bigger 767 replacements RFP. As Gerry Laderman says:

“These new 787 aircraft are another step in our widebody replacement strategy, and we will continue to roll out new announcements in the future as we implement our comprehensive fleet plan,” said Finance Senior VP and acting Chief Financial Officer Gerry Laderman.


MIflyer12 wrote:
You don't know how much more 12,500 United pilots would demand to be paid to allow 25 E2s to fly as United Express. Lots of people think it's $$$.


ALPA has been pretty adamant about not giving on scope. To that end the current pilot agreement already has rates that would cover E2 flying by mainline to company certainly has a good idea of the economics involved.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:05 pm

Since UA has already announced that it was the UFO for the 4 787s, I don't think they'll be announcing or ordering any more 787s replacement aircrafts for their 767s during this airshow.
Seems unlikely to announce the same aircraft type order at two different time within a week hence it concludes my above statement.

Or maybe they'll announce the A330neo in the next few days?? Possible?
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:24 pm

junlinwong94 wrote:
Since UA has already announced that it was the UFO for the 4 787s, I don't think they'll be announcing or ordering any more 787s replacement aircrafts for their 767s during this airshow.
Seems unlikely to announce the same aircraft type order at two different time within a week hence it concludes my above statement.

Or maybe they'll announce the A330neo in the next few days?? Possible?

The CFO has said that “..we will continue to roll out new announcements in the future regarding our fleet replacement plan.” So who knows when these announcements will be made. They have been “evaluating” their fleet replacement for 2+ years now.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:31 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
acos24 wrote:
Those numbers are pre-E-175 fuel burn improvement package. E-175 fuel burn has increased by 6.4% since those figures

https://www.embraercommercialaviation.c ... rovements/

Also, the CRJ-700 is a smaller airplane than the E-175, AA puts 76 seats on an E-175 vs 64 on a CRJ-700. I believe UA is stuck at 70 seats on any new E-175s per their scope agreement, but it's still a 6 seat improvement over the CRJ-700.


mxaxai wrote:
Fascinating. Not only is UA replacing the CRJ-700 with a less efficient model, but they also don't believe to need the ~15% fuel burn advantage of the E2 over the E1, nor the improved maintenance it comes with. Just because the pilots would need to be paid a few more $$ per hour.
CRJ-700 & E-175 fuel burn: viewtopic.php?t=759141#p11027643
CRJ700
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For United the CR7 seats 70. So it’s not a gain at all. Maybe eventually they’ll be able to reconfigure up to 76 seats but so far the company doesn’t appear to have any intentions to add a new narrowbody and pilots have zero intention to relax scope.


You may say it is not a gain, but is a huge gain for the customer. This is a MUCH nicer plane than the CR7, most roller-board bags overhead bins, 12 FC seats vs 6 is a HUGE win for the elite customers. I know this is another subject but all they have to do now is switch to 12 FC on the A319 and 16 FC on the A320 and they will be better aligned with Delta and makes elites happier! For example, a good friend moved to AUS from MSP and is a Delta Diamond and also now a United 1K via status match. He was going to switch to almost all United but he flies 100% paid FC for work, travels EVERY week, and doesn't know where he is going until the day before. He says he is tired of United not having FC available for purchase half the time vs Delta always having it available for purchase 95% of time. United is always sold out. He is frustrated with United on that fact alone (he loves United boarding process vs Delta). On a related note, he was happy united switched to a E175 vs CR7 to LAX. Because of the switch, he now flies UA to LAX instead of DL he said.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:33 pm

airtran737 wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Announced at Farnborough United Airlines has order 25 E-175...


It will be interesting to find out how they negotiated this with ALPA and the scope restrictions. If I'm not mistaken, they were already at their max for 76-seaters without acquiring a new narrowbody. Did I miss something?


The article clearly says that they are being ordered to replace 25 CR7’s so there isn’t a scope issue. Now thestion is where are the 25 planes that are being replaced coming from? GoJet, and Mesa both fly the type for UA. Mesa has the 175 on property so they could just swap the planes, but Mesa has also proven themselves to not be able to crew their flights, so many Republic or Skywest will see these frames.


Mesa's IPO filing has info stating they are losing 30 E175's at 2 per month starting aug 2019 and 4 crj7's a month starting aug 2019.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:36 pm

Judging from the wording in the United release it doesn't look there will be another large announcement in Farnborough. But who knows, stranger things have happened, but I don't think that United want to become part in the air show orders rivalry between Airbus and Boeing.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:09 pm

Interesting that 25 E175 count matches the 25 CR7 that GoJet fly's for UAX Interesting
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:15 pm

as739x wrote:
Interesting that 25 E175 count matches the 25 CR7 that GoJet fly's for UAX Interesting

It’s been rumored for awhile that GoJet would lose their United flying.

With the recent rumors and inuendo that United would be investing in or purchasing ExpressJet, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see them start to operate the type.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:19 pm

as739x wrote:
Interesting that 25 E175 count matches the 25 CR7 that GoJet fly's for UAX Interesting


Gojet doesn't have 175's on the cert right now and mesa is losing 30 175's starting next year. Makes you wonder if some carrier like Xjet is getting 175's. 55 would be a pretty big fleet.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:25 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
as739x wrote:
Interesting that 25 E175 count matches the 25 CR7 that GoJet fly's for UAX Interesting


Gojet doesn't have 175's on the cert right now and mesa is losing 30 175's starting next year. Makes you wonder if some carrier like Xjet is getting 175's. 55 would be a pretty big fleet.


Xjet doesn’t have the 175 on their certificate either. 55 would still be a small fleet compared to the fleets of 50-seat jets the regionals had in the 2000s. And that being said, the bigger the fleet the lower the CASM, economy of scales.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:32 pm

Congrats to Embraer and United!
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:37 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
as739x wrote:
Interesting that 25 E175 count matches the 25 CR7 that GoJet fly's for UAX Interesting


Gojet doesn't have 175's on the cert right now and mesa is losing 30 175's starting next year. Makes you wonder if some carrier like Xjet is getting 175's. 55 would be a pretty big fleet.


Gojet doesn't need the E175s on their carts in order for their frames to be replaced by another carrier with these new frames.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:11 pm

george77300 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.

Leasing new aircraft isn't really United's thing but Air Lease Corporation has 25 787-10s on order. I have no idea what engine they're getting or whether they're spoken for.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:36 pm

adamblang wrote:
george77300 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.

Leasing new aircraft isn't really United's thing but Air Lease Corporation has 25 787-10s on order. I have no idea what engine they're getting or whether they're spoken for.


I’d call unlikely. United has 14 firm so only 11 unaccounted for. I guess possibly they could have more but at least 25. I have no idea where ALCs are going though.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:40 pm

adamblang wrote:
george77300 wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
Only 4 x B787-9's?

Is this indicative that this completes their current needs for this type,and that a different type will also be ordered?


Well as per the United Fleet Thread they have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 but only 14 on firm order. They are either ordering more or swapping from other variants. Rumour for major order tomorrow as per the thread.

Leasing new aircraft isn't really United's thing but Air Lease Corporation has 25 787-10s on order. I have no idea what engine they're getting or whether they're spoken for.

ALC should have 15 available, unless there were some unannounced deals. Engine selection is up to the airline, so that should be no issue. I don't see it happening though as they won't have any problem getting good delivery slots directly from Boeing anyway.

Btw, they probably have 25 assigned numbers for the B787-10 because they had that many on order in the past. That number has been reduced by the conversion of this part of the the 787-10 order to the 77W. They might order 787-10 in the future, increasing the total back to 25 or more.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:01 pm

GoJet is also owned by TSA holdings. That owns Compass that flys 175’s. Mabe zero gain for them as Endeavor rumored to take the DL 175’s back from them... potential lots of shuffling!!!
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:11 pm

acos24 wrote:
They're being sold as the E-175SC (special configuration). It increases the size of the premium cabin, but can be easily reconfigured into a regular E-175. Skywest has some in service right now with Delta and they have 12 F, 20 Y+ and 38 Y

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... 75-sc.html

EMB170 wrote:
Question about these 70-seat E75s and CR9s: Since they'll only have 70 seats vs. 76, how will the extra space be divided up? For these aircraft, 6 seats is a row and a half of Y, so will these aircraft have roomier Y cabins as a result, or will the extra space be divided up between F, Y+, and Y?


Thanks. I followed the link and compared it to a regular OO E75 and it looks as though on these E75SCs, Y gets an extra inch of pitch from 31" to 32", since Y only goes up to row 19 instead of 20.
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:27 am

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/ ... dbc1447f3f

One interesting factoid I read is that these 787s would feature the new Polaris seats and will be the only 789s thus far ordered with it. I wonder if that has anything to do with the order size. Could these be intended for the SQ flights? Are there PiPs coming for the 789 that could help it on ULH routes? Adding 4 and speccing the new cabin (vs just beginning to upgrade the existing fleet) makes me wonder if there’s a particular route in mind.
 
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Re: United Airlines announces order for 25 E-175 and 4 787-9's

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:36 am

The only thing I don't like about ERJs is their misaligned windows...
To me, it will always be:
- Bombardier CSeries
- Airbus A321neoLR and A321neoXLR
- EMBRACER ERJ-170, ERJ-175, ERJ-190, and ERJ-195
- MITSUBUSHI MRJ

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