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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:26 pm

I would love for their choice to be MIA since I live in South Florida but I feel that DFW would be the front runner due to its massive AA connections to many parts of the United States and Central and South America. Yes, I realize that AA does DFW/HKG but CX might still give DFW a try.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:51 pm

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It's going to be SEA. Lets not kid ourselves YVR and SEA are two different markets. Are IAD and EWR/JFK the same market? If not how could YVR and SEA be in the same market with an internation border in between them.


Like I said this is one of many A.net falacies that because an airline serves anorher city 3 hours away, everyone will drive there. People actually stated that they didn’t think IND-CDG will work because DL already flies CVG-CDG and CVG is too close to IND.

Ever driven from Seattle to Vancouver on a weekday afternoon? I have. It could well take at least 5 hours.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:55 pm

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CX afaik doesn't have the plane to fly HKG-MIA with a meaningful load


HKG-MIA is 7800nm and CX has a lightly loaded (280pax) config A359. FYI, A359 brochure range is 8100nm with 325 pax and bags. Also, as zeke mentioned, the MIA-HKG flight won't have to face the strong pacific winds. If the problem is more revenue cargo, they also have a bunch of A35K on order with higher payload and longer range.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Putting my money on SEA. YVR and interior Canada make for a huge market to HKG and would be self-sustaining. I'm sure YVR draws some from SEA but if they offered 5x out of SEA they can still sell the YVR connection the other two days via code-share partner AS. DL ending SEA-HKG service and the strong AS partnership makes SEA the most logical choice.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:01 pm

Seattle makes the most sense but Cathay has not hid its desire to serve Miami non-stop.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:22 pm

downdata wrote:
c933103 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

Seattle and Vancouver are three hours apart if no traffic and border crossing delays. I always think this is a fallacy that just brcause an airline serves one city 3 hours away, everyone is going to drive up there to catch a flight. They are two different markets.

Airlines do use airports like HGH as an alternative to PVG. Or using JHB as an alternative to SIN.


Joburg is pretty far away as an alternative to Singapore. HGH and PVG are connected via high speed rail that covers the trip in 45 mins and more importantly you dont need to clear customs between PVG and HGH! Why would an inbound passenger obtain Canadian visa (and clear Canadian customs) just to get to SEA?


U.S. and Canadian-origin leisure traffic - for whom visas aren't a problem - will certainly cross-shop.

As for why some carriers serve both JFK and EWR: business traffic that is not price-sensitive.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:25 pm

Since CX and AS have an agreement with one another, thats who my vote would go to.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:33 pm

I would not be surprised to see DFW added at some point in the near future. AA has mentioned that the Asia markets in general are not doing as well as they would like. That is a big reason why many markets have been downgraded to the B788. The B77W has a large amount of capacity on it whereas the A359 would be both a capacity reduction and fuel/crew savings. It would not surprise me at all if at some point AA dropped DFW-HKG and CX picked it up on the A359.

For this announcement though, SEA makes the most sense as DL is dropping the market and it leaves a void for CX to try to fill.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:43 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
I would not be surprised to see DFW added at some point in the near future. AA has mentioned that the Asia markets in general are not doing as well as they would like. That is a big reason why many markets have been downgraded to the B788. The B77W has a large amount of capacity on it whereas the A359 would be both a capacity reduction and fuel/crew savings. It would not surprise me at all if at some point AA dropped DFW-HKG and CX picked it up on the A359.

For this announcement though, SEA makes the most sense as DL is dropping the market and it leaves a void for CX to try to fill.


From what I've heard, DFW-HKG has been a major success with good load factors and fares. Why is it so odd to have 2 daily flights on DFW-HKG, especially when strong local demand plus nearly unlimited connection opportunities on both ends make the route in high demand? DFW-NRT is operated 3x per day on a mix of AA and JAL flights. It would not surprise me to see DFW-HKG at 2x per day, or 11-12x per week at least, with a mix of AA and CX.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:47 pm

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I think it's unlikely to be Miami as the CX adverts on facebook for Washington DC mention that it's going to be their longest flight.


When it starts that will be correct, right up until a longer route comes along. If and or when that ever happens.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:51 pm

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LAS? Why? Its notorious for low yield flights. BA and VS fly their from their LGW leisure gateway. Why go to Las Vegas to gamble when Macau is close to Hong Kong?


For someone who are not a casino player to comment on their behavior is irrational. Casino players tend to travel to have fun, gaming in casino, hence there are places like Macau, Genting, London, Monte Carlo, Caribbean, and Las Vegas. Though most other cities offer gaming as entertainment, there is no other cities like Las Vegas, which put itself as the entertainment capital of the world, not only Las Vegas offer gaming, but there are also year round conventions business, as well as world class dining and live entertainment.

Just because there are casinos nearby doesn't mean they will not travel to another city just to play. Las Vegas have more than one revenue source, convention (let's not forget the CES where most vendors and buyers are from Far East), world class dining included.

In the CX Instragram story, if you notice, it did show an A350, though I would love for CX to fly to LAS, but I too believe MIA will be the best contender, where CX can utilize AA's South America feed into FE Asia, which is what's currently lacking at the moment.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:58 pm

I would bet Seattle. I don’t see them doing DFW as AA flies DFW-HKG.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:00 pm

zeke wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
With DL leaving HKG, this would be the perfect time for CX to start SEA.


SEA would be an April Fools Joke.


Really? What makes you so sure of this? As others have pointed out, CX would have strong connecting feed on both ends and would enjoy the market to themselves as there will be no nonstop competition once DL leaves HKG. SEA seems like the obvious choice to me.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:03 pm

I'd imagine either Seattle or Miami, with Seattle being the frontrunner. Let's not forget that CX is one of the most conservative airlines in Asia right now as far as network growth is concerned. Either they add Seattle because Delta is leaving and they have AS connections, or Miami because they've talked about it before and can take advantage of AA's Latin coverage. AUS, SLC, DEN, and IAH are too risky IMO, DFW is already served with AA, who wouldn't want to give it up, and HNL and LAS are too low-yielding.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:07 pm

SEA or IAH or MIA. No question about it. Which one? My pick is MIA is out because of current aircraft performance (they don't have the ULR A350 on order). I'd say SEA is front runner and IAH number 2. Don't buy that SEA is close to YVR. It's not really in terms of travelling time and it's a hell of an important city in terms of high yield traffic. Flew out of SEA last week on ANA and business was full to the gills in a 787 that had a lot of business class seats for it's size. HNL is out because if it was to be served it would be Dragon. My pick is SEA.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:10 pm

I'll add that CX to SEA would be the first carrier in South Asia to serve Seattle. TG pulled out yonks ago and SQ has been quite conservative with regard to that market given it doesn't fly to Canada. Lost opportunity IMHO. Bring it on.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:10 pm

pasu129 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:

LAS? Why? Its notorious for low yield flights. BA and VS fly their from their LGW leisure gateway. Why go to Las Vegas to gamble when Macau is close to Hong Kong?


For someone who are not a casino player to comment on their behavior is irrational. Casino players tend to travel to have fun, gaming in casino, hence there are places like Macau, Genting, London, Monte Carlo, Caribbean, and Las Vegas. Though most other cities offer gaming as entertainment, there is no other cities like Las Vegas, which put itself as the entertainment capital of the world, not only Las Vegas offer gaming, but there are also year round conventions business, as well as world class dining and live entertainment.

Just because there are casinos nearby doesn't mean they will not travel to another city just to play. Las Vegas have more than one revenue source, convention (let's not forget the CES where most vendors and buyers are from Far East), world class dining included.

In the IG story, if you notice, it did show an A350, though I would love for CX to fly to LAS, but I too believe MIA will be the best contender, where CX can utilize AA's South America feed into FE Asia, which is what's currently lacking at the moment.


There's a huge difference between Macau and let say, Genting or Singapore (i.e. Marina Bay Sands and like), when you got exact duplicates of Las Vegas hotels right at Macau nowaday, which offered the same world class dining and live entertainment that Vegas offer.

Yes, Vegas is still Vegas, but with Macau literally next door, that reduced any demand by ten-fold. And anyone that bother getting a US visa (Rejection rate is low for HKer, but it's still a nuisance) is not going to visit JUST Vegas. Any business traffic can just go through SF or LA, as they did for years.

For US leisure route, HNL makes more sense than LAS anyway. At least HNL (Hawaii in general) offered something much more unique.

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CO787EWR wrote:
It's going to be SEA. Lets not kid ourselves YVR and SEA are two different markets. Are IAD and EWR/JFK the same market? If not how could YVR and SEA be in the same market with an internation border in between them.


Like I said this is one of many A.net falacies that because an airline serves anorher city 3 hours away, everyone will drive there. People actually stated that they didn’t think IND-CDG will work because DL already flies CVG-CDG and CVG is too close to IND.

Ever driven from Seattle to Vancouver on a weekday afternoon? I have. It could well take at least 5 hours.


People will drive if the fare is a lot lower.

That being said, YVR and SEA to/from HKG are about the same fare. YVR and SEA are also pretty far apart, and air traffic flow doesn't exactly conflict with each other (YVR itself is heavy O&D and its connection is much more focused around Western Canada. SEA connects better to Western US than YVR).

P.S. AFAIK most people from IND, before the IND-CDG flight, just connect through NYC, Chicago, or DTW to go to Europe anyway. CVG-CDG is not even a cheap flight.

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I'd imagine either Seattle or Miami, with Seattle being the frontrunner. Let's not forget that CX is one of the most conservative airlines in Asia right now as far as network growth is concerned. Either they add Seattle because Delta is leaving and they have AS connections, or Miami because they've talked about it before and can take advantage of AA's Latin coverage. AUS, SLC, DEN, and IAH are too risky IMO, DFW is already served with AA, who wouldn't want to give it up, and HNL and LAS are too low-yielding.


How is CX conservative? Starting BRU/CPH/DUB? Starting DVO and KNO via KA? Then also start non-stop HKG-IAD?

BTW it seems like there's a HUGE misunderstanding when it comes to CX vs. KA. KA's overall cost is not that much lower than CX's, nor are their plane any less premium than CX's plane. They kept two brands mainly b/c of mainland flights anyway, not b/c one is more "leisure" or "low cost" than the other.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:14 pm

I might be a little biased, but I put my money on LAS. With DY pulling out, I could see them slipping CX into it's place and taking the gate slots. The Las Vegas - Macau connection would be really good for F and J class. I think 3x weekly would suffice with a 77W. There are currently no Asian flights on Saturdays, so they could easily grab those passengers, though flying into or out of LAS on a Saturday would be hectic.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:26 pm

you guys are kidding if you bet on anything besides SEA. and what's this "too close to YVR" nonsense?? they already serve both EWR and JFK!!!

props to CX for hopping in before SQ does. they've been on an expansion tear lately...CPT, BRU, CPH, DUB, IAD..

mfe777 wrote:
MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
I would not be surprised to see DFW added at some point in the near future. AA has mentioned that the Asia markets in general are not doing as well as they would like. That is a big reason why many markets have been downgraded to the B788. The B77W has a large amount of capacity on it whereas the A359 would be both a capacity reduction and fuel/crew savings. It would not surprise me at all if at some point AA dropped DFW-HKG and CX picked it up on the A359.

For this announcement though, SEA makes the most sense as DL is dropping the market and it leaves a void for CX to try to fill.


From what I've heard, DFW-HKG has been a major success with good load factors and fares. Why is it so odd to have 2 daily flights on DFW-HKG, especially when strong local demand plus nearly unlimited connection opportunities on both ends make the route in high demand? DFW-NRT is operated 3x per day on a mix of AA and JAL flights. It would not surprise me to see DFW-HKG at 2x per day, or 11-12x per week at least, with a mix of AA and CX.

AA has only said ORD-Asia has been an issue. LAX and DFW ops have been good, with HKG being especially successful. lots of high end F/J connects to South America through DFW and great O&D from LAX. that said I don't think the time has come for DFW-HKG double daily just yet, but I'm sure at some point it happens.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:36 pm

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I might be a little biased, but I put my money on LAS. With DY pulling out, I could see them slipping CX into it's place and taking the gate slots.


There are no slots at LAS.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:43 pm

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though flying into or out of LAS on a Saturday would be hectic.



??? Saturdays at LAS are slow. Thu/Fri/Sun/Mon are busy.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:49 pm

Cathay777300ER wrote:
I think it's unlikely to be Miami as the CX adverts on facebook for Washington DC mention that it's going to be their longest flight.

Honolulu is likely but as a Cathay Dragon destination. Would be pretty weird as a CX destination.


Ooo, didn't even think of Cathay Dragon. Nice thoughts
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:56 pm

Yep, CX is getting the jump on SQ if they choose SEA. It'll be one or the other.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:05 pm

While MIA might be on the short list, there will be other cities ahead of them.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:15 pm

Sean-SAN- wrote:
Vegas or Miami is the most logical. Austin, they don't have the correct airframe. IAH is already covered internationally. SLC has failed for Delta so I doubt CX would try. HNL is ULCC. SEA eats into YVR and already has HKA. Denver, low O/D and operational issues. Dallas already has AA.


I don't know. I think that DFW may have American, but that flight is pretty successful. Since AA and CX already code share (I think that Chinese - including Hong Kong - airlines can't join a JV - can somebody here clarify?), a second daily DFW-HKG-DFW rotation could well work, if timed properly. Much better than IAH specifically because of oneWorld.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:24 pm

Would the stronger U.S. dollar be an extra incentive to have a flight in SEA vs YVR? I seem to always find lower premium fares from YVR. Driving there from Seattle does suck
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:58 pm

There was an airline that was reportedly chomping at the bit to start SJC when they got 787s. Might have been EVA to TPE, though.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:01 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
I might be a little biased, but I put my money on LAS. With DY pulling out, I could see them slipping CX into it's place and taking the gate slots.


There are no slots at LAS.


LAS is slot controlled?
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:07 pm

SEA seems like an obvious gap in CX's US destination.

DFW is served by AA and relies on AA's network feed. O&D is not enough for multiple daily... I'd put it in the category of "try again in a few years".

MIA and CX have both been saying this is something they like to do. Now there is actually the airplane to do it.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:52 pm

AirFiero wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
I might be a little biased, but I put my money on LAS. With DY pulling out, I could see them slipping CX into it's place and taking the gate slots.


There are no slots at LAS.


LAS is slot controlled?


It took me a minute to get it too. Think about it for a moment. It’s a joke.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:54 pm

If I’m reading between the lines right, it sounds to me like CX will be starting flights to SEA on April 1st.

MIA sounds feasible as well. Maybe a tag on to SEA, but maybe a direct flight as well.

That’s my guess.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:42 pm

portcolumbus wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
though flying into or out of LAS on a Saturday would be hectic.



??? Saturdays at LAS are slow. Thu/Fri/Sun/Mon are busy.


I mean city traffic wise.. The traffic to get to and from the airport to the Las Vegas Strip could take upwards of an hour, even though it's pretty much sitting directly on it.
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:45 pm

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Well Cathay Pacific already flies to:

Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
Newark
New York (K)
San Francisco
Washington (D)

That leaves a lot of holes geographically. There are a number of cities I didn't list because they are strictly only cargo. Could those cities get a priority? Cities like Dallas? Atlanta? My guess is that probably Seattle would be at the top of the list, mostly it being a large city, large Asian population, and large city on the Pacific. It just seems a natural fit due to it's large connecting opportunities.

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Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:46 pm

b777900 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
Well Cathay Pacific already flies to:

Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
Newark
New York (K)
San Francisco
Washington (D)

That leaves a lot of holes geographically. There are a number of cities I didn't list because they are strictly only cargo. Could those cities get a priority? Cities like Dallas? Atlanta? My guess is that probably Seattle would be at the top of the list, mostly it being a large city, large Asian population, and large city on the Pacific. It just seems a natural fit due to it's large connecting opportunities.

CX DOES NOT FLY TO IAD and they most likely never will. COME ON MAN..


They start this September. Has been announced a while ago.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:48 pm

Irehdna wrote:
b777900 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
Well Cathay Pacific already flies to:

Boston
Chicago
Los Angeles
Newark
New York (K)
San Francisco
Washington (D)

That leaves a lot of holes geographically. There are a number of cities I didn't list because they are strictly only cargo. Could those cities get a priority? Cities like Dallas? Atlanta? My guess is that probably Seattle would be at the top of the list, mostly it being a large city, large Asian population, and large city on the Pacific. It just seems a natural fit due to it's large connecting opportunities.

CX DOES NOT FLY TO IAD and they most likely never will. COME ON MAN..


They start this September. Has been announced a while ago.

Really I missed that I am a shocked that I did not here that and I fly CX to HKG all the time. I am sorry ...Opps
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:50 pm

Is this the thread where anyone who lives in a particular city on that list happens to think their city will be the one because "reasons"?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:56 pm

With AS in Seattle Cathay will do great.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:07 pm

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Is this the thread where anyone who lives in a particular city on that list happens to think their city will be the one because "reasons"?


I live in one of those cities and I dont think it would make sense for CX to come here (IAH). The market is overwhelmingly Star Alliance oriented except for markets that are simply so massive that it doesnt matter (IAH-LHR/AMS/CDG).
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 pm

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milemaster wrote:
Is this the thread where anyone who lives in a particular city on that list happens to think their city will be the one because "reasons"?


I live in one of those cities and I dont think it would make sense for CX to come here (IAH). The market is overwhelmingly Star Alliance oriented except for markets that are simply so massive that it doesnt matter (IAH-LHR/AMS/CDG).


IAH-AMS/CDG is leftover from CO's Skyteam days anyway. Helps that IAH-AMS get oil/gas industry traffic (i.e. Shell). And doesn't AF somewhat struggle with IAH-CDG nowaday?

But otherwise I agree with you. Unless CX feels like carrying those (not exactly high yield) Filipinos/Vietnamese VFR traffic (Something that BR and NH are both doing right now), the O&D demand is just not quite there. Chances are, CX will start their own HKG-DFW before touching IAH.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:23 pm

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If I’m reading between the lines right, it sounds to me like CX will be starting flights to SEA on April 1st.

MIA sounds feasible as well. Maybe a tag on to SEA, but maybe a direct flight as well.

That’s my guess.


I won't be surprised if CX starts SEA. However, how do you get April 1? Is there some indication somewhere that CX is going to start SEA on 4/1 next year?
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:24 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
milemaster wrote:
Is this the thread where anyone who lives in a particular city on that list happens to think their city will be the one because "reasons"?


I live in one of those cities and I dont think it would make sense for CX to come here (IAH). The market is overwhelmingly Star Alliance oriented except for markets that are simply so massive that it doesnt matter (IAH-LHR/AMS/CDG).


IAH-AMS/CDG is leftover from CO's Skyteam days anyway. Helps that IAH-AMS get oil/gas industry traffic (i.e. Shell). And doesn't AF somewhat struggle with IAH-CDG nowadays


IAH-AMS dates to 1957. (Well, actually HOU-AMS because it originally operated from Hobby on a DC-7.)

I believe IAH-CDG was 1970. If not 1970, the early 1970s.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:37 pm

I agree...I live in Houston...I cannot possibly see why CX would fly here over MIA, SEA, or add there own flight to DFW. Asia is covered nicely from IAH as it is - with PVG being the only one that really might be able to be supported.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:41 pm

freakyrat wrote:
They have already hauled freight out of DFW. First time I saw an aircraft with LED wingtip strobes was when I was driving past DFW's Runway 18R and I stopped and watched. Turns out it was a Cathay Airbus A340 landing. Now it seems LED lighting is standard on Airbus's


Close, but no. What you saw wasn't an A340, but a 747-8F. That's what they fly into DFW, especially onto 18R for the CX Freight office.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:16 pm

Sean-SAN- wrote:
Vegas or Miami is the most logical. Austin, they don't have the correct airframe. IAH is already covered internationally. SLC has failed for Delta so I doubt CX would try. HNL is ULCC. SEA eats into YVR and already has HKA. Denver, low O/D and operational issues. Dallas already has AA.


NRT has been covered by AA for years yet JAL is thriving at DFW. My guess is DFW.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:40 pm

I understand the flight numbers and dates are already available within CX for the first of the new US destinations.

Relax, have a coffee.... it will be confirmed soon.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:40 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

There are no slots at LAS.


LAS is slot controlled?


It took me a minute to get it too. Think about it for a moment. It’s a joke.


Not always easy to tell here ;)
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:58 pm

4engines4lnghll wrote:
Sean-SAN- wrote:
Vegas or Miami is the most logical. Austin, they don't have the correct airframe. IAH is already covered internationally. SLC has failed for Delta so I doubt CX would try. HNL is ULCC. SEA eats into YVR and already has HKA. Denver, low O/D and operational issues. Dallas already has AA.


NRT has been covered by AA for years yet JAL is thriving at DFW. My guess is DFW.


JAL and AA have a metal-neutral joint venture. Totally different situation.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:59 pm

I will say it is HNL, SEA or DFW. MIA perhaps but I think it would be less likely.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:54 am

NZ321 wrote:
I'll add that CX to SEA would be the first carrier in South Asia to serve Seattle. TG pulled out yonks ago and SQ has been quite conservative with regard to that market given it doesn't fly to Canada. Lost opportunity IMHO. Bring it on.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Hints At New US City

Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:10 am

pasu129 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:

LAS? Why? Its notorious for low yield flights. BA and VS fly their from their LGW leisure gateway. Why go to Las Vegas to gamble when Macau is close to Hong Kong?


For someone who are not a casino player to comment on their behavior is irrational. Casino players tend to travel to have fun, gaming in casino, hence there are places like Macau, Genting, London, Monte Carlo, Caribbean, and Las Vegas. Though most other cities offer gaming as entertainment, there is no other cities like Las Vegas, which put itself as the entertainment capital of the world, not only Las Vegas offer gaming, but there are also year round conventions business, as well as world class dining and live entertainment.

Just because there are casinos nearby doesn't mean they will not travel to another city just to play. Las Vegas have more than one revenue source, convention (let's not forget the CES where most vendors and buyers are from Far East), world class dining included.

In the CX Instragram story, if you notice, it did show an A350, though I would love for CX to fly to LAS, but I too believe MIA will be the best contender, where CX can utilize AA's South America feed into FE Asia, which is what's currently lacking at the moment.

HKG doesn't seems like a convenient connection point for most passengers from Northeast Asia trying to reach MIA and beyond as they would need to backtrack to HKG to catch the flight, and then for travellers in Southeast Asia CX would have to compete with ME carriers.
But if what's said in that A350 thread is true then it might just be it
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