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Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:17 pm

I haven't seen this discussed here before:

German T-ONLINE portal quotes dpa, that a dog has tried to open the cargo door of a B 737 during the approach to SVO.

http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/tiere/id_84160044/russland-hund-oeffnet-frachtluke-von-passagierjet-.html

They write, that the flight was from LED to SVO and the dog was in a cage in the cargo hold. It escaped from it's cage and pushed the switch to open the cargo door at an altitude of 4,000 m (12,000 feet).

The cargo door opened a few centimeters and caused an alarm. The cabin pressure felt slightly. The pilot did an emergency landing. No one was hurt, including the dog.

Question: Is it really possible to open the cargo door of a B 737 from inside while in flight? It did not really "open" but enough for an alarm and a loss of cabin pressure.
Strange.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:18 pm

Not possible. A 737 cargo door is a plug door that opens inward. There is no switch to open it.
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:31 pm

What's the cabin pressure at 12,000 feet?
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:10 pm

That's my boy!



Not really. :liar:
It makes a good story, but sounds exaggerated. :spit:
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:13 pm

If, however, it was a freighter or combi version the main-deck cargo door would be outward-opening and would have internal motor controls.

I can't imagine though that those controls would reachable by a dog, or that they would not be locked during flight.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:22 pm

It would have been more believable if it was a Bear or an Ape
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:41 pm

XAM2175 wrote:
If, however, it was a freighter or combi version the main-deck cargo door would be outward-opening and would have internal motor controls.

I can't imagine though that those controls would reachable by a dog, or that they would not be locked during flight.


The only 737 between LED and SVO is Aeroflot. And they do not fly a combi or BCF etc.

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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:52 pm

Heinkel wrote:
I haven't seen this discussed here before:

German T-ONLINE portal quotes dpa, that a dog has tried to open the cargo door of a B 737 during the approach to SVO.

http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/tiere/id_84160044/russland-hund-oeffnet-frachtluke-von-passagierjet-.html

They write, that the flight was from LED to SVO and the dog was in a cage in the cargo hold. It escaped from it's cage and pushed the switch to open the cargo door at an altitude of 4,000 m (12,000 feet).

The cargo door opened a few centimeters and caused an alarm. The cabin pressure felt slightly. The pilot did an emergency landing. No one was hurt, including the dog.

Question: Is it really possible to open the cargo door of a B 737 from inside while in flight? It did not really "open" but enough for an alarm and a loss of cabin pressure.
Strange.

The cargo door on a B737 is MANUAL!! There Is no switch! Aside from that? The cargo doors open Inwards which is why B737 cargo doors are always so beat up.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:52 pm

B757Forever wrote:
Not possible. A 737 cargo door is a plug door that opens inward. There is no switch to open it.


Actually, it's completely possible.
Sure, there's no "switch," because it's not an electrically operated door.
Instead, there's a HUGE GRAB HANDLE on the inside, on the same axle as the exterior handle, in place to prevent rampers from getting locked in.
In theory, a reasonably intelligent dog could paw at it and open it.
And the cabin pressure at 12,000 is nowhere near the differential up at cruise altitude.
Further, you can turn the handle and unlatch the door a bit without the door itself needing to move inward. As the switch for the door sensor is located in the track that one of the rollers grabs on to, it's quite possible that the cockpit indicator light could come on in this scenario.


That said, I suspect this story is a bit exaggerated.
Kinda click-baity.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:28 pm

Per other news articles, the dog apparently tore up the inner liner ... and if you've ever seen a dog in a panic clawing at stuff, that's 100% believable.

Just in my own extended family we've had a dog completely destroy a bathroom (fixtures pulled off walls, massive damage to toilet, cabinets, door, etc), and another one that literally ate a wall - the only thing that prevented escape was the fact that dogs can't eat vinyl siding.

Whether or not the initial report mistook the liner for the actual door? who knows.

Whether or not the dog tore up enough stuff to set off alarms? Absolutely.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:31 pm

Russians are very tricky. I wouldn't doubt it.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:29 am

Doesn´t look like fake news. Revenge of the dogs....

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bb874ad&opt=0
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:03 am

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/622052
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26858/3900835/
If I am reading it correctly (via Google Translate anyway), it seems like the report didn't say the dog opened the cargo door by its pawn but instead the report say the dog damaged electric wires in the cargo compartment which triggered the cargo door to open before it was automatically stopped? Not too sure because of machine translation capability
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:43 am

Where'd you read this, The Onion?
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:00 am

Fake or not, how come big dogs have to travel AVIH? It’s such a stress for them. Wouldn’t it possible to accommodate them in the cabin? Helper dogs for the non seeing ou support animals are tolerated, so why do they still flip in the hold? Regulation? Sanitation?
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:29 pm

A 737 cargo door isn’t electric, it’s a manual plug door.

Therefore no “switch” to activate the door.

An Airbus A320 family cargo doors are electric.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:27 pm

itripreport wrote:
Where'd you read this, The Onion?


No, Aviation Herald.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4bb874ad&opt=0
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:46 pm

Don’t let the facts get in your way.

The 737 is a MANUAL door, it is not electric nor is there a switch in the cargo bay to electronically open it.

It is a manual handle.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:55 pm

A really weird story. If true, that dog was stressed out. Poor dog. The cargo hold is not a good place to be sitting for hours for an animal.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:18 pm

It was an UA plane? Im being ironic...
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:26 pm

SR380 wrote:
Fake or not, how come big dogs have to travel AVIH? It’s such a stress for them. Wouldn’t it possible to accommodate them in the cabin? Helper dogs for the non seeing ou support animals are tolerated, so why do they still flip in the hold? Regulation? Sanitation?

support animal isn't really a thing for most places outside the US
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:31 pm

There is a rather obvious handle on the inside that a dog could probably open....
https://ibb.co/dKOeUT
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:29 pm

SR380 wrote:
Fake or not, how come big dogs have to travel AVIH? It’s such a stress for them. Wouldn’t it possible to accommodate them in the cabin? Helper dogs for the non seeing ou support animals are tolerated, so why do they still flip in the hold? Regulation? Sanitation?


SR380 I agree with you. It is stressful for a dog in the cargo hold. I wish airlines didn’t do it. Seems like every year we see reports about dogs dying due to stress, heat, etc. Of course the recent UA incident shows that even riding in an overhead bin isn’t any safer for the poor animal.
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:20 am

DDR wrote:
SR380 wrote:
Fake or not, how come big dogs have to travel AVIH? It’s such a stress for them. Wouldn’t it possible to accommodate them in the cabin? Helper dogs for the non seeing ou support animals are tolerated, so why do they still flip in the hold? Regulation? Sanitation?


SR380 I agree with you. It is stressful for a dog in the cargo hold. I wish airlines didn’t do it. Seems like every year we see reports about dogs dying due to stress, heat, etc. Of course the recent UA incident shows that even riding in an overhead bin isn’t any safer for the poor animal.


Indeed. I am sure things could be arrange. If parents can bring their crying babies on a 12h+ flight, bring on the good boys on board too! :-)
 
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Re: Dog opened cargo door on B737 during approach to SVO

Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:41 am

WolfPDX wrote:
There is a rather obvious handle on the inside that a dog could probably open....
https://ibb.co/dKOeUT


I'm sorry, but that Handle is stiff enough for Humans to struggle with, let alone a dog that couldn't "grip" it. We did have a Dog get loose in a B767 Bulk Cargo when I was at BA in the 90's. That managed to bite its way through the Sidewall and damage some Cables, so that scenario is possible, but that's about it !

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