So it is that time of the year again, when airlines are announcing TATL service for 2019. BA kicked things off today by announcing PIT-LHR. After the TATL announcement mania last year, will things be more quiet this year, or will even more come? Share your thoughts here. I thought I would start this thread to consolidate the various discussions about new TATL into one.

How much more will BA, DL, FI, WW, DY, DE, etc, add this year?

Norwegian have already announced Dublin - Hamilton (ON) starting S19.

Expect Aer Lingus to announce new North American routes from Dublin soon.

Skyblue39 wrote:

Norwegian have already announced Dublin - Hamilton (ON) starting S19.

Expect Aer Lingus to announce new North American routes from Dublin soon.

We may see something else from PF too. Also KL is rumored to do a 4 weekly AMS-BOS to supplement DL service and hit a 3rd hub bank at AMS for S19 - not sure if its seasonal.

At the February Press Conference in Kyiv, Aron Mayberg (Head of Supervisory Board for Ukraine International Airlines) reported that UIA is looking to expand MIA - Kyiv (KBP) around 2020, though some insiders have reported they're looking at late 2019 for this. Still too early to see if it will make the 2019 spread or if it will end up being on the 2020 roster!

LIS-SFO TP

How have the North American loads to BUD been S18? This summer there has been AC from YYZ, LO from ORD and JFK, and AA from PHL. Could we see DL get back into BUD or UA start BUD for S19? Perhaps the existing carriers increase frequency?

Cheers,
KLAXAirport

Hoping that Delta finally starts ATL-HAM. If I am not mistaken HAM is the biggest city in the EU that Delta doesnt serve. Big potential they are not taking advantage of.

Some new Delta routes wouldn’t surprise me:
AMS to LAS, SAN, DEN, PHX, CHM, TPA or CLE.

Would love to see ATL-KEF, and a DL return to EDI/GLA from ATL (I know these are served on DL from JFK and that GLA wasn't served from ATL but EDI was).

Possible LGW-ATL on Norwegian?

Aer Lingus DUB-ATL?

KLAXAirport wrote:

How have the North American loads to BUD been S18? This summer there has been AC from YYZ, LO from ORD and JFK, and AA from PHL. Could we see DL get back into BUD or UA start BUD for S19? Perhaps the existing carriers increase frequency?

Cheers,
KLAXAirport

Internally the company has stated it is happy with the performance of both PRG and BUD and both should return next year. Loads out of both are usually heavy particularly BUD.

I want to believe there is a case for Aer Lingus MSP-DUB, but we shall see. Icelander seems to do a good job of grabbing most of that market.

Adam

DLHAM wrote:

Hoping that Delta finally starts ATL-HAM. If I am not mistaken HAM is the biggest city in the EU that Delta doesnt serve. Big potential they are not taking advantage of.

DL used to fly ATL-HAM.

I'm surprised at no BA PDX-LHR.

BoeingGuy wrote:

DLHAM wrote:

Hoping that Delta finally starts ATL-HAM. If I am not mistaken HAM is the biggest city in the EU that Delta doesnt serve. Big potential they are not taking advantage of.

DL used to fly ATL-HAM.

I'm surprised at no BA PDX-LHR.

Yes they served HAM 1989-1995 and 1998-2000, from ATL and also JFK from 1991-1995.
Now they are gone since 18 years.

Air Serbia or Air Canada (likely Rouge) will announce a YYZ-BEG flight with near certainty. There has been tao for years, and they finally have come to an agreement with regards to a bilateral and traffic rights.

PDX-CDG on DL?

Lots of people in the AA thread seem to think this will finally be the year for PHX-LHR... Also sounds like some Eastern Europe build up out of PHL is on the horizon.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see DL jump on MCO-CDG. There was an article stating that GOAA was looking for another carrier to fill that void other than a 1 weekly flight by DY and speculated it would be Delta. I’m fairly confident as they move the 76W out of hubs and replace them with other aircraft, this will allow availability for an aircraft. After all...they could rotate a 332 like this, DTW-CDG-MCO-CDG-DTW-GRU-DTW.

OKCDCA wrote:

Lots of people in the AA thread seem to think this will finally be the year for PHX-LHR... Also sounds like some Eastern Europe build up out of PHL is on the horizon.

From PHL, anyone see the possibility of AA adding Duseldorf or Berlin, or perhaps Vienna? It doesn't look like any of these markets are served from PHL. Then again, I am using Wiki as the source here...

OKCDCA wrote:

Lots of people in the AA thread seem to think this will finally be the year for PHX-LHR... Also sounds like some Eastern Europe build up out of PHL is on the horizon.

Why the former? BA already serves LHR from PHX. I’d be trying to get another euro destination if I were PHX.

Is UA considering any additional routes from EWR?

Someone mentioned ATL-KEF; this was actually announced by Delta a few years back but apparently never actually launched.
How about WOW starting ORF-KEF? Well within range for the A320Neo.

EWR777 wrote:

Is UA considering any additional routes from EWR?

Would not surprise me if UA announced seasonal EWR-PRG or EWR-BUD, or both, to serve the popular river boat cruise market. The issue here will be availability of aircraft, though they could move a few more 777-200 (non ER's) around to serve high density, high volume routes out of EWR, like they have done with MAD, DUB, and BCN this summer. It's possible EWR-OSL could also return. Hypothetical, of course.

KICT wrote:

Someone mentioned ATL-KEF; this was actually announced by Delta a few years back but apparently never actually launched.
How about WOW starting ORF-KEF? Well within range for the A320Neo.

While WOW has added some smaller US markets (CLE, CVG, PIT, STL spring to mind) ORF is smaller than all those markets. I can see WW adding some lower hanging fruit first before expanding into cities like ORF, if they add anything at all given their recent turmoil in terms of financial results.

No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

KICT wrote:

No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

The ORF metro area is not larger than Vegas. Even if it was, you can’t compare the two when it comes to airline traffic.

KICT wrote:

No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

Sorry, but you are not even close on that comment. Latest population figures are:
Metro Norfolk 1.7M
Metro LV 2.5M

You're right, I was misinformed. Would you like a participation trophy?

If EI ever started DUB-ATL, I'll start eating Lucky Charms!!!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that DL was in a position for S19 to not really be able to add much more, if any additional TPAC or TATL flying without reduced/terminating service elsewhere due to aircraft availability. Add into the mix the JV agreements, so for DL to start some additional DL, they might have to have KL, AF, VS pick-up a route.

ADrum23 wrote:

OKCDCA wrote:

Lots of people in the AA thread seem to think this will finally be the year for PHX-LHR... Also sounds like some Eastern Europe build up out of PHL is on the horizon.

Why the former? BA already serves LHR from PHX. I’d be trying to get another euro destination if I were PHX.

There is AA/BA service from PHX already. Where would they fly? Highly unlikely they would start a route from Phoenix to a non-Oneworld hub.

KICT wrote:

Someone mentioned ATL-KEF; this was actually announced by Delta a few years back but apparently never actually launched.
How about WOW starting ORF-KEF? Well within range for the A320Neo.

That's highly unlikely. There's at least 10 cities they would go into before ORF.

Cointrin330 wrote:

EWR777 wrote:

Is UA considering any additional routes from EWR?

Would not surprise me if UA announced seasonal EWR-PRG or EWR-BUD, or both, to serve the popular river boat cruise market. The issue here will be availability of aircraft, though they could move a few more 777-200 (non ER's) around to serve high density, high volume routes out of EWR, like they have done with MAD, DUB, and BCN this summer. It's possible EWR-OSL could also return. Hypothetical, of course.

I wonder if the Polaris retrofit will be sufficiently far enough along to free up an extra bird or two. Way back when, CO had a codeshare with CSA on EWR-PRG, as well. If they wanted to move another few markets over to the domestic 777 fleet from EWR, my guess would be EWR-LIS/VCE/FCO. They could also try putting those domestic 777s on IAD-MAD/FCO or something. I'll predict the following for United: +EWR-BUD/PRG (767s), +EWR-NCE/BHX (752), +IAD-KEF (737), +ORD-MAN (752) and +ORD-BCN (767).

American's also publicly kicking around adding Malaga and has been talking about how happy they are with Eastern Europe, so maybe also plus something like a Dubrovnik or a Warsaw.

As for Delta, they've announced they're going to do India again, and next summer is as logical a time to start that as any. I'll guess thet they'll give JFK-OTP a try as a summer seasonal.

AV8AJET wrote:

Possible LGW-ATL on Norwegian?

I very much doubt it. Atlanta may be a big airport, but as a city it doesn't mean much. It doesn't attract tourists from Europe. The reason people fly to Atlanta is to transfer, but Norwegian doesn't have a feeder at Atlanta. That makes it a dead end, the flights would rely on O/D traffic only. And there isn't much of that.

Same goes more or less for Aer Lingus. True, they're in a joint venture with American Airlines but they're not big in Atlanta either. Any destination American serves from Atlanta can also be reached through other hubs and some even non-stop. I don't see any reason for them to fly there.

Possibly something on Thomas Cook out of Manchester? Washington (Baltimore), Tampa and New Orleans have been mooted as possibilities.

PatrickZ80 wrote:

AV8AJET wrote:

Possible LGW-ATL on Norwegian?

I very much doubt it. Atlanta may be a big airport, but as a city it doesn't mean much. It doesn't attract tourists from Europe. The reason people fly to Atlanta is to transfer, but Norwegian doesn't have a feeder at Atlanta. That makes it a dead end, the flights would rely on O/D traffic only. And there isn't much of that.

Same goes more or less for Aer Lingus. True, they're in a joint venture with American Airlines but they're not big in Atlanta either. Any destination American serves from Atlanta can also be reached through other hubs and some even non-stop. I don't see any reason for them to fly there.

I'd agree with that. There isn't a natural market for Norwegian in Atlanta. It's a business destination for sure, but it's not a tourism center and much of the traffic that goes through ATL is transfer. Atlanta alone could never support the route network it has on O&D only.

GSP psgr wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

EWR777 wrote:

Is UA considering any additional routes from EWR?

Would not surprise me if UA announced seasonal EWR-PRG or EWR-BUD, or both, to serve the popular river boat cruise market. The issue here will be availability of aircraft, though they could move a few more 777-200 (non ER's) around to serve high density, high volume routes out of EWR, like they have done with MAD, DUB, and BCN this summer. It's possible EWR-OSL could also return. Hypothetical, of course.

I wonder if the Polaris retrofit will be sufficiently far enough along to free up an extra bird or two. Way back when, CO had a codeshare with CSA on EWR-PRG, as well. If they wanted to move another few markets over to the domestic 777 fleet from EWR, my guess would be EWR-LIS/VCE/FCO. They could also try putting those domestic 777s on IAD-MAD/FCO or something. I'll predict the following for United: +EWR-BUD/PRG (767s), +EWR-NCE/BHX (752), +IAD-KEF (737), +ORD-MAN (752) and +ORD-BCN (767).

American's also publicly kicking around adding Malaga and has been talking about how happy they are with Eastern Europe, so maybe also plus something like a Dubrovnik or a Warsaw.

As for Delta, they've announced they're going to do India again, and next summer is as logical a time to start that as any. I'll guess thet they'll give JFK-OTP a try as a summer seasonal.

I think Delta flew JFK-OTP for a year (maybe 2009) in summer only. I don't think UA will restart EWR-BHX. Brexit has pretty much ruled out much more than adding capacity to LHR/LGW. UA has cut a lot of non-LHR services to the UK since the merger. NCE would be a good, seasonal add.

My predictions:
BA adds STL-LHR
EI adds CLE-DUB
DL adds CMH-AMS

KL fully takes over one of the DL MSP/DTW-AMS frequencies, likely at MSP.

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

kavok wrote:

My predictions:
BA adds STL-LHR
EI adds CLE-DUB
DL adds CMH-AMS

KL fully takes over one of the DL MSP/DTW-AMS frequencies, likely at MSP.

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

Do you mean AA RDU-LHR? I doubt that gets cut (right now), but I am surprised BA hasn’t taken over the route from AA. The plane AA is using is too much capacity IMO.

I would add DL AUS-AMS to your list of adds as well.

Maybe AF CDG-SJC? AA used to fly it. t would be a perfect route for a 788. DL has some support for it on the SJC side with ns flights to SEA, LAX, LAS, SLC, JFK, ATL

ADrum23 wrote:

kavok wrote:

My predictions:
BA adds STL-LHR
EI adds CLE-DUB
DL adds CMH-AMS

KL fully takes over one of the DL MSP/DTW-AMS frequencies, likely at MSP.

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

Do you mean AA RDU-LHR? I doubt that gets cut (right now), but I am surprised BA hasn’t taken over the route from AA. The plane AA is using is too much capacity IMO.

I would add DL AUS-AMS to your list of adds as well.

Correct about AA instead of BA, and my typing fingers were thinking what you were saying. I could very easily see DL/KL on AUS-AMS as well.

KICT wrote:

You're right, I was misinformed. Would you like a participation trophy?

I’m sorry, I usually just roll my eyes and move on but I feel compelled to ask about this. Why do you feel it’s necessary to make a snide remark about someone who corrected you on a factually incorrect statement that you made? Especially when the poster did not do so in any rude or extraneous way? He just stated you were wrong with actual data.

kavok wrote:

My predictions:
BA adds STL-LHR
EI adds CLE-DUB
DL adds CMH-AMS

KL fully takes over one of the DL MSP/DTW-AMS frequencies, likely at MSP.

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

I think you mean *AA* RDU-LHR. I would love to see them cut that...so DL can pick it up!

In all seriousness, I'd be surprised to see AA quit a route it's been flying for 25 years. It would immediately be picked up by the competition. Only way I see them dropping it is if BA takes over the route from AA.

UA adds IAH-BRU or ZRH, resumes CDG.

RDUDDJI wrote:

kavok wrote:

My predictions:
BA adds STL-LHR
EI adds CLE-DUB
DL adds CMH-AMS

KL fully takes over one of the DL MSP/DTW-AMS frequencies, likely at MSP.

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

I think you mean *AA* RDU-LHR. I would love to see them cut that...so DL can pick it up!

In all seriousness, I'd be surprised to see AA quit a route it's been flying for 25 years. It would immediately be picked up by the competition. Only way I see them dropping it is if BA takes over the route from AA.

Which I don’t understand why BA hasn’t taken over RDU-LHR. It makes more sense for BA to operate it so AA doesn’t have to keep a crew base in RDU. Plus, having BA take over would allow them to shift the flight to T5, making it easier for connections.

olddominion727 wrote:

Maybe AF CDG-SJC? AA used to fly it. t would be a perfect route for a 788. DL has some support for it on the SJC side with ns flights to SEA, LAX, LAS, SLC, JFK, ATL

AA flew SJC-CDG for a grand total of six months back in 2001. As much as I like seeing my former home town get new service, I don’t see it. Not yet at least until BA and LH get well established at SJC.

With rising fuel, I suspect legacy carriers to be pretty modest in opening new TATL markets - at least in comparison to the last several years.

ADrum23 wrote:

Which I don’t understand why BA hasn’t taken over RDU-LHR. It makes more sense for BA to operate it so AA doesn’t have to keep a crew base in RDU. Plus, having BA take over would allow them to shift the flight to T5, making it easier for connections.

I completely agree. I've been surprised at that as well.

Cointrin330 wrote:

GSP psgr wrote:

Cointrin330 wrote:

Would not surprise me if UA announced seasonal EWR-PRG or EWR-BUD, or both, to serve the popular river boat cruise market. The issue here will be availability of aircraft, though they could move a few more 777-200 (non ER's) around to serve high density, high volume routes out of EWR, like they have done with MAD, DUB, and BCN this summer. It's possible EWR-OSL could also return. Hypothetical, of course.

I wonder if the Polaris retrofit will be sufficiently far enough along to free up an extra bird or two. Way back when, CO had a codeshare with CSA on EWR-PRG, as well. If they wanted to move another few markets over to the domestic 777 fleet from EWR, my guess would be EWR-LIS/VCE/FCO. They could also try putting those domestic 777s on IAD-MAD/FCO or something. I'll predict the following for United: +EWR-BUD/PRG (767s), +EWR-NCE/BHX (752), +IAD-KEF (737), +ORD-MAN (752) and +ORD-BCN (767).

American's also publicly kicking around adding Malaga and has been talking about how happy they are with Eastern Europe, so maybe also plus something like a Dubrovnik or a Warsaw.

As for Delta, they've announced they're going to do India again, and next summer is as logical a time to start that as any. I'll guess thet they'll give JFK-OTP a try as a summer seasonal.

I think Delta flew JFK-OTP for a year (maybe 2009) in summer only. I don't think UA will restart EWR-BHX. Brexit has pretty much ruled out much more than adding capacity to LHR/LGW. UA has cut a lot of non-LHR services to the UK since the merger. NCE would be a good, seasonal add.

Yes, DL did fly JFK-OTP at one point. I really don't have hope for this to this to return in 2019. Yes, in the long term as RO expands their fleet (addition of 13 RJ's they are about to get) might make sense, but that won't happen till 2020 or so, and it also depends on where that expansion will happen. IF expansion is from OTP to the east, then yes, it makes sense for DL to connect to OTP, otherwise, CDG and AMS will make more sense. RO has to make strategic growth taking into account their geography before DL will services there. In other words, RO needs to grow into markets that other SkyTeam members don't serve and use OTP as the connection point for DL, AF, AZ, and KL.

KICT wrote:

No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

ORF doesn't even have flights to LAX or SFO, what makes you think it can handle a TATL ?