Obzerva wrote:

I agree. I don’t think the extended range a321 is going to be the game changer in the ANZ market that people think it’s going to be.

It will enable DPS to go single aisle, thus removing the need for an expensive wide body on the route from the east coast. But what else will it enable? All thIt might not be for Australian airlines, but it could be an Indonesian airline flying secondary cities to Australia, even at a few days a week.

10 years ago who knew the number of Chinese airlines flying secondary cities to Australia would be this expansive, even if there's a level of subsidy involved in some of the routes.

The prospect of a narrowbody to SYD/MEL from Surabaya, Medan or Lombok could be there.

Bluebird191 wrote:

Do I smell an opportunity for another foray for Jetstar into the Asian market? Jetstar Indonesia? Utilise the lower cost base vs the Australian “parent company” for all flights from DPS to Australia, which in turn could allow the 787’s to be deployed elsewhere ...

ArtV wrote:

Don't forget that Adelaide built a brand new international and domestic terminal (with swing gates for the international services) in 2005 - which although didn't require new runways, everything else was new. The old international terminal "shed" was replaced, and the old domestic terminal was abandoned at the other side of the airport. Prior to this, there was (from memory) 1 international airbridge at the old international terminal, but there were no airbridges for the domestic terminal - it was all walking across the tarmac.

planemanofnz wrote:

eta unknown wrote:

Air Asia complaining they want to restart ADL, but airport charges are too high and they want a deal...

IMO, an ADL incentive would be more likely for a new market, like Japan or the US. I can't see ADL doing a deal with D7 - MH already flies ADL - KUL, and it would only trigger MH and other Asian carriers to seek incentives too, with threats of dropping ADL if demands aren't met.

Separately, I wonder if the QF Group would ever re-start ADL - SIN, to connect to SIN - LHR, as well as 3K's SIN hub? A 321NEO could do it (on JQ), but for QF metal, a 330 would be needed, and I don't think there are many of those spare. Perhaps EK could add an ADL - SIN sector?

Cheers,

C.

brucetiki wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

eta unknown wrote:

Air Asia complaining they want to restart ADL, but airport charges are too high and they want a deal...

IMO, an ADL incentive would be more likely for a new market, like Japan or the US. I can't see ADL doing a deal with D7 - MH already flies ADL - KUL, and it would only trigger MH and other Asian carriers to seek incentives too, with threats of dropping ADL if demands aren't met.

Separately, I wonder if the QF Group would ever re-start ADL - SIN, to connect to SIN - LHR, as well as 3K's SIN hub? A 321NEO could do it (on JQ), but for QF metal, a 330 would be needed, and I don't think there are many of those spare. Perhaps EK could add an ADL - SIN sector?

Cheers,

C.

From memory, Qantas used an A340 for their old ADL-SIN routes. How long did QF have the A340's for?

utaussiefan wrote:

brucetiki wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

IMO, an ADL incentive would be more likely for a new market, like Japan or the US. I can't see ADL doing a deal with D7 - MH already flies ADL - KUL, and it would only trigger MH and other Asian carriers to seek incentives too, with threats of dropping ADL if demands aren't met.

Separately, I wonder if the QF Group would ever re-start ADL - SIN, to connect to SIN - LHR, as well as 3K's SIN hub? A 321NEO could do it (on JQ), but for QF metal, a 330 would be needed, and I don't think there are many of those spare. Perhaps EK could add an ADL - SIN sector?

Cheers,

C.

From memory, Qantas used an A340 for their old ADL-SIN routes. How long did QF have the A340's for?

Qantas have never had the A340, ADL-SIN was an A330 or 767 and it ran via SYD in a triangle route. ADL-SYD-SIN-ADL.

DavidByrne wrote:

There’s a lot of talk about Luxon making demands of VA to shut down its international division and put traffic onto NZ, but is there any substance to this? Or is it perhaps just an A-Net rumour, like so many others, that has become almost fact by repetition? Just curious . . .

brucetiki wrote:

utaussiefan wrote:

brucetiki wrote:

From memory, Qantas used an A340 for their old ADL-SIN routes. How long did QF have the A340's for?

Qantas have never had the A340, ADL-SIN was an A330 or 767 and it ran via SYD in a triangle route. ADL-SYD-SIN-ADL.

I swear they had a 4 engined, single level aircraft in the mid-2000's. I recall seeing a relative off from ADL in 2006, and was pretty sure that it was an A340 - either that or I was seeing things at the time

dredgy wrote:

brucetiki wrote:

utaussiefan wrote:

Qantas have never had the A340, ADL-SIN was an A330 or 767 and it ran via SYD in a triangle route. ADL-SYD-SIN-ADL.

I swear they had a 4 engined, single level aircraft in the mid-2000's. I recall seeing a relative off from ADL in 2006, and was pretty sure that it was an A340 - either that or I was seeing things at the time

They operated BAe-146s, but definitely not to Singapore.

oskarclare wrote:

Air Niugini ending flights to TSV from 1 OCT 18. SYD being reduced to 2x weekly from 3x weekly. This is due to IASC knocking back PX/QF codeshare. BNE and CNS not affected.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... ownsville/

utaussiefan wrote:

brucetiki wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

IMO, an ADL incentive would be more likely for a new market, like Japan or the US. I can't see ADL doing a deal with D7 - MH already flies ADL - KUL, and it would only trigger MH and other Asian carriers to seek incentives too, with threats of dropping ADL if demands aren't met.

Separately, I wonder if the QF Group would ever re-start ADL - SIN, to connect to SIN - LHR, as well as 3K's SIN hub? A 321NEO could do it (on JQ), but for QF metal, a 330 would be needed, and I don't think there are many of those spare. Perhaps EK could add an ADL - SIN sector?

Cheers,

C.

From memory, Qantas used an A340 for their old ADL-SIN routes. How long did QF have the A340's for?

Qantas have never had the A340, ADL-SIN was an A330 or 767 and it ran via SYD in a triangle route. ADL-SYD-SIN-ADL.

oskarclare wrote:

Air Niugini ending flights to TSV from 1 OCT 18. SYD being reduced to 2x weekly from 3x weekly. This is due to IASC knocking back PX/QF codeshare. BNE and CNS not affected.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... ownsville/

log0008 wrote:

Melbourne Airport July Stats:

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Cor ... -July-2018

International: 1,000,120 +7.4%
Domestic: 2,285,400 +1.6%

The airport also hit a new ‘busiest day’ in International Arrivals thanks to 20,193 people touching down in Melbourne on 15 July 2018.

Sydney Airport July Stats:
Domestic: 2,383,000 +0.9%
International: 1,414,000 +5.4%

https://assets.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0 ... raffic.pdf

IndianicWorld wrote:

log0008 wrote:

Melbourne Airport July Stats:

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Cor ... -July-2018

International: 1,000,120 +7.4%
Domestic: 2,285,400 +1.6%

The airport also hit a new ‘busiest day’ in International Arrivals thanks to 20,193 people touching down in Melbourne on 15 July 2018.

Sydney Airport July Stats:
Domestic: 2,383,000 +0.9%
International: 1,414,000 +5.4%

https://assets.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0 ... raffic.pdf

I didn’t realise the gap between MEL and SYD in domestic pax was that close. Interesting.

MEL hiting over 1 million international pax for the month was a big result too.

Still no idea how they are actually copeing with that demand with the facilities at either MEL or SYD.

wiggy wrote:

well i just saw a qantas dreamliner from melbourne to brisbane on flightradar24

IndianicWorld wrote:

wiggy wrote:

well i just saw a qantas dreamliner from melbourne to brisbane on flightradar24

I think they are running 2 x daily 787’s on the route currently if I remember correctly.

sq256 wrote:

Although not guaranteed, I do have to wonder if a CEB-BNE link may work from a loads and/or yield perspective, even if it only starts at 2 or 3 weekly.

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... wth-432701

oskarclare wrote:

sq256 wrote:

Although not guaranteed, I do have to wonder if a CEB-BNE link may work from a loads and/or yield perspective, even if it only starts at 2 or 3 weekly.

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... wth-432701

Would love to see this route happen and hopefully not too far away. A321neo would be perfect aircraft with 5J or PR

IndianicWorld wrote:

log0008 wrote:

Melbourne Airport July Stats:

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Cor ... -July-2018

International: 1,000,120 +7.4%
Domestic: 2,285,400 +1.6%

The airport also hit a new ‘busiest day’ in International Arrivals thanks to 20,193 people touching down in Melbourne on 15 July 2018.

Sydney Airport July Stats:
Domestic: 2,383,000 +0.9%
International: 1,414,000 +5.4%

https://assets.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0 ... raffic.pdf

I didn’t realise the gap between MEL and SYD in domestic pax was that close. Interesting.

MEL hiting over 1 million international pax for the month was a big result too.

Still no idea how they are actually copeing with that demand with the facilities at either MEL or SYD.

tullamarine wrote:

DavidByrne wrote:

There’s a lot of talk about Luxon making demands of VA to shut down its international division and put traffic onto NZ, but is there any substance to this? Or is it perhaps just an A-Net rumour, like so many others, that has become almost fact by repetition? Just curious . . .

We honestly don't know because none of us were in the board meetings. It does make sense though. With only a small population base, NZ relies heavily on AU originating traffic for its trans-Pacific volumes. It would've galled Luxon when he saw that VA's Pacific services weren't particularly profitable at the same time as they were taking the significant Velocity base away from using NZ services.

Having said that, the idea that removing VA from Pacific services would've been a boon for NZ seems a bit naive unless NZ were planning to re-enter direct services to US from AU. Most people would take a direct service from AU to US so, if anything, VA's exit would've been a bigger help to QF and UA. NZ's competitiveness of AU-US services is basically price-driven. A one-stop service on a so-so product no better than anyone else's means price is your only weapon.

a320fan wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

log0008 wrote:

Melbourne Airport July Stats:

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Cor ... -July-2018

International: 1,000,120 +7.4%
Domestic: 2,285,400 +1.6%

The airport also hit a new ‘busiest day’ in International Arrivals thanks to 20,193 people touching down in Melbourne on 15 July 2018.

Sydney Airport July Stats:
Domestic: 2,383,000 +0.9%
International: 1,414,000 +5.4%

https://assets.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0 ... raffic.pdf

I didn’t realise the gap between MEL and SYD in domestic pax was that close. Interesting.

MEL hiting over 1 million international pax for the month was a big result too.

Still no idea how they are actually copeing with that demand with the facilities at either MEL or SYD.

Well current projections are MEL will overtake SYD as the most populas city by 2030, that’s less than 12 years so makes sense that domestic demand is pretty close. Syd still has and will have the international business and tourism draw however, so I project these numbers to maintain some lead in syds favour.

VapourTrails wrote:

ZuluAlpha wrote:

With the talk of QF schedule changes, and the ease of them, QF is spending significant manpower and finances to try and improve the product further. They are about to introduce a new Amadeus platform where it will change multiple pax with multiple connections in a single transaction for delays and disrupts (not schedule changes).

Thank you. That is an interesting development. Well, it’s happened again! This is the third, or fourth time my booking has to be altered. Does not usually happen to me. The Qantas Concierge Chat Bot was not an option this time for whatever reason, and there is currently a long wait via phone. Are the major altering schedules in times and connections due to the pilot shortage I wonder.. usually I have minor five or ten minutes changes which I just click to accept, and even then not that often.

I also tried this week to check some price comparisons for my next booking, looking at VA - and their online booking system was down. Was a few days ago. I still lament I didn’t get another chance to fly on their E190 again.

QF742 wrote:

a320fan wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

I didn’t realise the gap between MEL and SYD in domestic pax was that close. Interesting.

MEL hiting over 1 million international pax for the month was a big result too.

Still no idea how they are actually copeing with that demand with the facilities at either MEL or SYD.

Well current projections are MEL will overtake SYD as the most populas city by 2030, that’s less than 12 years so makes sense that domestic demand is pretty close. Syd still has and will have the international business and tourism draw however, so I project these numbers to maintain some lead in syds favour.

It’s great to see numbers at MEL continuinjng to grow strongly, particularly international. There were a lot of announcements for new international services last year, but this year does seem a bit quieter.

Any suggestions for new international services we could expect to see ex MEL? I wonder if KE would consider returning. There certainly seems to be a lot of demand that KE could tap into - eg transit pax to Japan and China.

Would also be interested to hear how AC’s route to YVR is going?

oskarclare wrote:

Air Niugini ending flights to TSV from 1 OCT 18. SYD being reduced to 2x weekly from 3x weekly. This is due to IASC knocking back PX/QF codeshare. BNE and CNS not affected.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... ownsville/

eastwest101 wrote:

oskarclare wrote:

Air Niugini ending flights to TSV from 1 OCT 18. SYD being reduced to 2x weekly from 3x weekly. This is due to IASC knocking back PX/QF codeshare. BNE and CNS not affected.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/0 ... ownsville/

Here is something that only a competition lawyer would be able to answer, but this IASC decision seems to fly in the the face of common sense.

I know that the load factors between TSV-POM may have been a bit low, and there may be an element of ' throwing toys out of the cot' happening here but the existing PX service was useful for a sizeable proportion of FIFO workers based in TSV (and CNS) who work at various resource projects in PNG, so now the IASC has in effect made this workforce fly TSV-CNS-POM-XXX instead of just TSV-POM-XXX. If Qantas was able to code share on PX TSV-POM then I don't think that would have made any difference as these guys are price inelastic customers but of course may have preferred to get booked on the QF codeshare if they had any choice in the matter. So now they are flying TSV-CNS and I wonder which airline has a cozy monopoly on that route with no competition now? Any guesses?

Similary by nixing the codeshare someone in SYD wanting to go to POM now has to book on the PX service and can't fly QF direct - instead they are rerouted through BNE on a domestic then international transfer in BNE with the reverse happening on return. Thus handing PX an effective monopoly on the higher yielding SYD-POM market.

I live in TSV so when the PX service started it opened up a possibility of some actual viable 1 stop international flights via POM to say Singapore (or even Japan) - but of course PX is so limited in fleet that they couldn't offer any sensible connection times or compelling fares for me to consider that, but the point remains is that this also helps QF by reducing any other options for people who live in TSV unless they want to backtrack to BNE or SYD (which QF have JQized) or fly to CNS and the only options there are JQ to Japan.

So the effect is to funnel all PNG-AUS traffic through BNE with both VA and QF already price gouging on prices, and PX lacking the ability or aircraft to upsize or compete the end result is higher airfares between PNG and Australia.

The argument that the IASC uses of : "“The Commission’s finding is that Qantas’s proposed free-sale codeshare arrangement with Air Niugini would reduce competition by increasing barriers to entry on the city pairs served only by Air Niugini (Cairns-Port Moresby, Sydney-Port Moresby, Townsville-Port Moresby) and by risking the withdrawal of Virgin Australia from the Brisbane-Port Moresby sector, where both Qantas and Air Niugini offer parallel services,” the IASC draft determination said.


Has one massive logical flaw - its not like its possible or likely that there are a huge array of carriers in PNG or in Australia who are lining up to fly between PNG and Australia. And its not like aircraft and trained crew are easy to find so I wouldn't imagine that flying a F70 between TSV-POM is going to be such a huge money spinner because if it was then someone would already be doing it.

So if the ASC's intention is to throw a massive wet blanket over any competition or compatative options for flying into and out of Australia then they can claim "mission successful"....

Have I missed something obvious?

Obzerva wrote:

QF742 wrote:

a320fan wrote:

Well current projections are MEL will overtake SYD as the most populas city by 2030, that’s less than 12 years so makes sense that domestic demand is pretty close. Syd still has and will have the international business and tourism draw however, so I project these numbers to maintain some lead in syds favour.

It’s great to see numbers at MEL continuinjng to grow strongly, particularly international. There were a lot of announcements for new international services last year, but this year does seem a bit quieter.

Any suggestions for new international services we could expect to see ex MEL? I wonder if KE would consider returning. There certainly seems to be a lot of demand that KE could tap into - eg transit pax to Japan and China.

Would also be interested to hear how AC’s route to YVR is going?

VN to HAN would be one I could see in the future.

MEL could see more frequency increases rather than new routes, LA has announced that the increase for SCL.
Otherwise TT to any NZ city or one of the AirAsia longhaul franchises, eg XJ to DMK?

IndianicWorld wrote:

The only new routes I can see are: - Seoul - Hanoi - Dallas-Fort Worth - Osaka - Mumbai ...

IndianicWorld wrote:

- Additinal China routes, including Hainan Island ...

IndianicWorld wrote:

- Dallas-Fort Worth (Likely to be a future QF route)

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to operate one time SYD-BNE 744 service

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 15489?s=21

Midwest2K wrote:

Any update on:

BNE-DFW/ORD/SEA
MEL-DFW
SYD-SEA

These seem to be to most talked about routes in the future to the US.

vhqpa wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas to operate one time SYD-BNE 744 service

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 15489?s=21

It appears to be a tag on to BNE-LAX-BNE

27SEP QF55 SYD-BNE 1345 1520
27SEP QF55 BNE-LAX 1750 1330

29SEP QF56 LAX-BNE 2215 0500+2
01OCT QF56 BNE-SYD 0730 0910

IASC wrote:

In relation to the application for renewal of determination [2013] IASC 112, which allocates 900 seats of capacity in each direction on the Papua New Guinea route, Virgin Australia has also sought authorisation for the use of the capacity for the provision of code share services, on a free-sale basis, with PNG Air. It is noted that the existing determination includes a condition permitting the use of the capacity for the provision of code share services with Airlines PNG (now PNG Air), under a hard-block arrangement.

The Department of Planning and Environment on Tuesday released an initial land-use plan for the so-called Western Sydney Aerotropolis, a region earmarked to take advantage of economic activity stimulated by the airport.
The plan breaks the land around the 1780-hectare Western Sydney Airport site into nine precincts. It selects two of those precincts – “Aerotropolis Core” and “Northern Gateway” for immediate planning, with rezoning to be completed by the end of 2019. The development of other areas around the airport is to be staged.
Work on a third precinct, “South Creek”, which cuts through the area and is intended to be a green spine “providing open space, amenity, biodiversity and wellbeing values” is also intended to start soon.

planemanofnz wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

The only new routes I can see are: - Seoul - Hanoi - Dallas-Fort Worth - Osaka - Mumbai ...

I agree with those, but could also see in the medium-term:

- ADD (ET is planning to fly to MEL, potentially via SEZ)
- CEB
- HND (NH has said that MEL is on its radar after SYD)
- IST (TK says that MEL will follow SYD flights, via Asia)
- PNH (A “Skyscanner Unserved Route of the Week”)
- SUV (FJ's new MAX's could tap business ties, like ANZ)
- VLI

See:
- https://www.thereporterethiopia.com/art ... ional-jets.
- https://www.ausbt.com.au/with-boeing-78 ... -australia.
- https://www.khmertimeskh.com/50503667/n ... -take-off/.
- https://www.anna.aero/2017/11/29/melbou ... jump-onto/.

There are a few other potential routes, which are less likely:

- DAC (BG was rumoured to be considering Australia, but SYD)
- EZE (AR is considering Australia - MEL has to be an option)
- HNL (HA is considering MEL, but not in the short-mid term)
- JED (SV just hired a new Australia GSA, and are expanding)
- JNB (If QF decided to split JNB between SYD/MEL with 789's)
- KTM (RA was rumoured to be considering Australia, but SYD)
- NBO (If KQ ever sorts itself out and gets back in good shape)

IndianicWorld wrote:

- Additinal China routes, including Hainan Island ...

Specifically, the following (many already served from SYD):

- FOC
- HAK
- KMG
- NKG
- TSN
- WUH
- SYX

Cheers,

C.

ZuluAlpha wrote:

VapourTrails wrote:

ZuluAlpha wrote:

With the talk of QF schedule changes, and the ease of them, QF is spending significant manpower and finances to try and improve the product further. They are about to introduce a new Amadeus platform where it will change multiple pax with multiple connections in a single transaction for delays and disrupts (not schedule changes).

Thank you. That is an interesting development. Well, it’s happened again! This is the third, or fourth time my booking has to be altered. Does not usually happen to me. The Qantas customer service chatbot was not an option this time for whatever reason, and there is currently a long wait via phone.

Something for you to try to help the long delays on the phone (they are not going away anytime soon), When you dial 13 13 13 select the options to make a new booking, do not use the option that you have an existing booking, it should be quicker as Qantas will be very happy to take more money from a new customer (but don't quote me on the wait times).