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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:05 am

planemanofnz wrote:
zkncj wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
Talking to a NZ ramper in Dunedin today, he said with the october schedule switches that Invercargill will get 2-3 weekly A320 from Auckland, as well as an extra Q300 frequency to Dunedin from Christchurch. Jetstar are apparently also planning CHC-DUD flights, although these are likely to be CHC-DUD-IVC-CHC or similar from what he told me. Now all this info could be wrong, but it's what i was told.


Well AKL-IVC currently isn’t an route, maybe Shadbolt got out his sponsorship cheque book to under write the losses from the service?

Both AKL - DUD and AKL - ZQN have grown significantly of late, but I just don't get AKL - IVC, as NZ has no competition at IVC, and IVC not really a draw-card (unlike the other two).

Cheers,

C.

A couple of thoughts around ZQN/WKA/IVC

ZQN being both the Jet and International gateway to the region is obviously the 'main' airport. Even though ZQN has development/growth planning underway it's always going to be a 'restricted' airport given its size and location. WKA will become a natural alternative long term but lacks the facilities currently.

ZQN's growth will also be limited by the number of beds in the region, especially in winter peak.

So balancing high tourism demand into the region will drive higher airport charges which will be passed onto the customer, it will also driver higher bed costs for visitors, once the airport nears capacity WKA will play a key role, especially on ATR/Q300 services.

Long-term does IVC play a role within the wider Tourism space?

Could this in addition to your usual business and personal travel support a AKL-IVC?

As for now - Is Aviation Security Services searching for IVC based employees? I can't see them being flown in like they do today for disrupt recovery flights.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:18 am

What would be the minimum number of Flights per day that require Avsec for IVC hire? Just 1? If there is more than 2 they would likely be at different times anyway so more than 1 shift required.

IVC-AKL doesn’t seem that far fetched to me in fact I’m surprised it doesn’t operate already not that I no much about the market. It’s just how they would schedule it? Is it for business, American or pacific island connections? 1 daily maybe 2 daily? Or does it start at just as mentioned here 2-3 weekly?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:09 am

Air NZ would know exactly how many people are already doing IVC/AKL via intermediate points, and it would certainly fend off any moves by Propstar to enter the market. I imagine it would also allow some IVC ATRs to be pulled and put onto shorter routes. If they've got the A320 capacity it may end up being a better use of aircraft.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:18 am

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Air NZ would know exactly how many people are already doing IVC/AKL via intermediate points, and it would certainly fend off any moves by Propstar to enter the market. I imagine it would also allow some IVC ATRs to be pulled and put onto shorter routes. If they've got the A320 capacity it may end up being a better use of aircraft.


ZK-NBT wrote:
What would be the minimum number of Flights per day that require Avsec for IVC hire? Just 1? If there is more than 2 they would likely be at different times anyway so more than 1 shift required.

IVC-AKL doesn’t seem that far fetched to me in fact I’m surprised it doesn’t operate already not that I no much about the market. It’s just how they would schedule it? Is it for business, American or pacific island connections? 1 daily maybe 2 daily? Or does it start at just as mentioned here 2-3 weekly?


It's a really interesting issue, not one I'm up to scratch on, other users may know. It's a CAA regulation enforced by ASS or AVSEC as-as it's more commonly known as.

Someone in Air NZ would understand the regulations, much like they did when they worked with Airways NZ while they introduced later evening regional flights (There were some minor ER issues to work through).

On the surface, it will be challenging to serve an airport with 1 or 2 flights per day but they can't be the only airport in the world who face this issue so I'm sure AVSEC will do some research and I"m sure there will be some good sorts in IVC who would love part-time work. Probably pay off their mortgage on the part-time hours down there too :-)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:50 am

axio wrote:
Air NZ would know exactly how many people are already doing IVC/AKL via intermediate points, and it would certainly fend off any moves by Propstar to enter the market. I imagine it would also allow some IVC ATRs to be pulled and put onto shorter routes. If they've got the A320 capacity it may end up being a better use of aircraft.


Well partly true, but I wouldn't say they would know exactly how many people fly the route. I work at ZQN and we get a LOT of people driving up from Invercargill to use JQ's AKL services. If you take into account a direct flight plus possibly cheaper fares, the demand would likely be higher than their transfer number would suggest. I would say a daily 320 to AKL would be fairly low risk, but it would probably be best to do a business friendly time i.e AKL-IVC 19.00-21.00 IVC-AKL 7.00-9.00

But definitely, unless shadbolt has made a deal with his ILT buddies, I'm sure It would be hard to justify AVSEC/terminal facilities for one daily 320
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:32 am

Air NZ's 20th ATR 72-600 ZK-MVV (msn 1507) is on delivery as SXI1811, presently over north western Iran.

http://www.flightradar24.com/SXI1811/1d763246

It overnighted at TZX (Trabzon) this time which is usually a refuelling stop.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:19 am

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If they've got the A320 capacity it may end up being a better use of aircraft.

Air NZ will have capacity with four A321 NEOs due by about mid December, unless leased 320s leave at the same time.

I expected the 320 used for DUD-AKL 0600/0750, AKL-DUD 2000/2150 would do AKL-OOL 0925/0955, OOL-AKL 1055/1705 or NOU etc. AKL-IVC is inevitable and would take some pressure off ZQN before WKA is ready for 320s.

Interestingly, the google earth capture of IVC airport has an Air NZ 320 on the apron in bright sunshine. Appears to be a sharklet version, so could be the diversion from ZQN when the runway was temporarily closed due to a light aircraft crash.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:00 am

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Interestingly, the google earth capture of IVC airport has an Air NZ 320 on the apron in bright sunshine. Appears to be a sharklet version, so could be the diversion from ZQN when the runway was temporarily closed due to a light aircraft crash.


This is the diverted 320 departing IVC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcZoN7sFZ4

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:24 am

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Air NZ's 20th ATR 72-600 ZK-MVV (msn 1507) is on delivery as SXI1811, presently over north western Iran.

http://www.flightradar24.com/SXI1811/1d763246

It overnighted at TZX (Trabzon) this time which is usually a refuelling stop.

PA515

Was slightly late out of TLS, and there were slot restrictions at the next stop, hence the overnight.
Different routing for this one: TLS-TZX-MCT-CMB-SZB-DPS-DRW-BNE-CHC.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:57 am

How many crew on a delivery flight of this nature? It sure is a long journey ! Imagine being a passenger :)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:09 am

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How many crew on a delivery flight of this nature? It sure is a long journey ! Imagine being a passenger :)

Two pilots and an engineer.
I’ve actually done this trip twice on Mount Cook deliveries (MVC/MVD), plus a couple of the Virgin Australia ATRs. A good book is compulsory!!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:47 am

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NZ321 wrote:
How many crew on a delivery flight of this nature? It sure is a long journey ! Imagine being a passenger :)

Two pilots and an engineer.
I’ve actually done this trip twice on Mount Cook deliveries (MVC/MVD), plus a couple of the Virgin Australia ATRs. A good book is compulsory!!


Is it still contracted out e.g. Mount Cook doesn’t crew the delivery?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:19 pm

Re AKL - IVC, apologies if this is a dumb question (I'm not familiar with aircraft engineering at all), but is it possible that an NZ or JQ prop could/would do AKL - IVC? For example, I believe the Dash 8 300's range is about 1,500 km, while AKL - IVC is only about 1,200 km. I doubt either carrier would want to use a prop for reasons including (lack of) passenger comfort on such a long flight, but a prop does seem like a better fit/size for the market, than a 320. Although unlikely to happen, props could also potentially do AKL - TIU / HKK / WKA.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:21 pm

Re IVC, Avsec will of course already have a presence there so it wouldn’t necessarily be a big change. Could work various other duties to fit around the flight schedule so might only need a few extra hands total and 1 extra at any one time perhaps.

Timing wise you would perhaps operate 2x daily - 1 first thing to connect with morning hub flights in AKL and the other late afternoon to connect with the evening hub flights (LAX/SFO/YVR/IAH etc).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:03 pm

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Was slightly late out of TLS, and there were slot restrictions at the next stop, hence the overnight.
Different routing for this one: TLS-TZX-MCT-CMB-SZB-DPS-DRW-BNE-CHC.


Thanks Yorden.

zkncj wrote:
Is it still contracted out e.g. Mount Cook doesn’t crew the delivery?


The flight number SXI1811 is the clue.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:56 pm

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Re AKL - IVC, apologies if this is a dumb question (I'm not familiar with aircraft engineering at all), but is it possible that an NZ or JQ prop could/would do AKL - IVC? For example, I believe the Dash 8 300's range is about 1,500 km, while AKL - IVC is only about 1,200 km. I doubt either carrier would want to use a prop for reasons including (lack of) passenger comfort on such a long flight, but a prop does seem like a better fit/size for the market, than a 320. Although unlikely to happen, props could also potentially do AKL - TIU / HKK / WKA.

Cheers,

C.


About four years ago ZK-MCP did AKL-IVC in 2hr 50min and IVC-AKL in 2hr 45min. Presently IVC-CHC ATR 72-600 is 1hr 15min and CHC-AKL A320 is 1hr 20min plus the minimum connecting time of 20 min is 2hr 55min. Not much of a time saving, but no connecting hassles. Fares will decide.

An IVC-AKL 320 with fares similar to ZQN-AKL should persuade IVC pax from driving to ZQN even though the choice of frequency would be much less. And probably cheaper car parking at IVC.

The NZ / QF codeshare does not include IVC, no doubt because QF / JQ get IVC pax through ZQN.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:42 pm

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Would be nice to see the BR 77W on an extended lease.... nice to see, finally, a Star Alliance livery widebody operating for NZ at AKL.


Unfortunately ZK-OKT (B-16717) is not EVA's Star Alliance 77W.

Here she is! :cheerful:

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:57 pm

Thanks for the pic!

Does anyone know if Air New Zealand's ever leased its aircraft to other airlines (whether on a wet or dry basis)? Given the seasonal nature of travel to and from New Zealand, one might think it'd make a fair bit of sense.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:53 pm

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Thanks for the pic!

Does anyone know if Air New Zealand's ever leased its aircraft to other airlines (whether on a wet or dry basis)? Given the seasonal nature of travel to and from New Zealand, one might think it'd make a fair bit of sense.


742’s to MH, TG, FJ 762’s to BY, LO I no of in the 90’s.

The first 744 was dry leased to CX in 1990 while there was a pilots dispute over who would fly them aswell.

A lot more streamlined now with maintenance in winter along with routes like DPS, SGN increase HNL etc to use otherwise idle frames.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:34 am

interesting that ZQN is a top 5 unserved market from NAN, while NPE is in the top 10.

Could we see FJ launch ZQN with the MAX's, tapping connecting North America pax?

I assume connections would be needed to make this work, ruling out NZ with NEOs?

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See: https://www.anna.aero/2018/08/14/fiji-a ... n-in-2018/.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:38 am

Looks like just maybe ZQN could support a once weekly seasonal from FJ.

Frankly, I hadn't kept pace with there is no direct flight to NRT. How strange? Or is it seasonal?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:48 am

NZ321 wrote:
Looks like just maybe ZQN could support a once weekly seasonal from FJ.

I think a new non-stop flight would stimulate demand too, so you'd probably go in with a twice weekly service, as CHC and WLG are or have been.

NZ321 wrote:
Frankly, I hadn't kept pace with there is no direct flight to NRT. How strange? Or is it seasonal?

That chart is on data from when FJ didn't serve NRT - they just re-launched NRT, so PER is now the biggest unserved market ex-NAN - not NRT.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:18 pm

"Does anyone know if Air New Zealand's ever leased its aircraft to other airlines (whether on a wet or dry basis)? Given the seasonal nature of travel to and from New Zealand, one might think it'd make a fair bit of sense."

Yes. 1980s National Airlines (USA) leased ANZ DC-10 for their new service Miami - London UK (Heathrow or Gatwick I can't recall) not sure how long this lease lasted. Then British Airways used ANZ DC-10s on the LAX - London services, ANZ operated the AKL - LAX sector then BA crewed the LAX - London sector (probably not a lease as such)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:25 pm

LamboAston wrote:
Talking to a NZ ramper in Dunedin today, he said with the october schedule switches that Invercargill will get 2-3 weekly A320 from Auckland, as well as an extra Q300 frequency to Dunedin from Christchurch. Jetstar are apparently also planning CHC-DUD flights, although these are likely to be CHC-DUD-IVC-CHC or similar from what he told me. Now all this info could be wrong, but it's what i was told.


It seems a bit late for an announcement of 320s to IVC effective 28 Oct 2018, but they could be do something from Feb 2019 which is in that schedule period. I checked the 320s in the schedule effective 28 October 2018 and there is some slack that could permit a daily AKL-IVC-AKL flight.

Nineteen A320s are used and there's an aircraft not in use at AKL 0830-1705 Mo-Th, 0600-1705 Fr, 0600-1300 Sa & Su, 1255-2000 Su. Some maintenance is probably done during the day, so hard to say how much aircraft time is available.

Sylus wrote:
I work at ZQN and we get a LOT of people driving up from Invercargill to use JQ's AKL services. If you take into account a direct flight plus possibly cheaper fares, the demand would likely be higher than their transfer number would suggest. I would say a daily 320 to AKL would be fairly low risk, but it would probably be best to do a business friendly time i.e AKL-IVC 19.00-21.00 IVC-AKL 7.00-9.00


Could Air NZ at IVC to turn around an A320 in 40 mins or would they need longer?

Here's a ZK-OXK departing IVC on a training flight 27 Apr 2016.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DukBmV2Onc

And ZK-MVJ arriving IVC while ZK-OXK was there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzPT3b_DOQU

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:59 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Looks like just maybe ZQN could support a once weekly seasonal from FJ.

I think a new non-stop flight would stimulate demand too, so you'd probably go in with a twice weekly service, as CHC and WLG are or have been.


No chance - 70-80% of travel between New Zealand and Fiji is NZ resident, whereas 85% of international travel to ZQN is overseas visitor. The two destinations are complete opposites to each other.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:00 pm

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Nineteen A320s are used and there's an aircraft not in use at AKL 0830-1705 Mo-Th, 0600-1705 Fr, 0600-1300 Sa & Su, 1255-2000 Su. Some maintenance is probably done during the day, so hard to say how much aircraft time is available.


Domestic 320s not in use at AKL that could do AKL-IVC-AKL should read as follows:
Mon 0830-2300
Tue 0750-1800
Wed 0830-2300
Th 0600-2300 and 0830-1500
Fr 0600-2000
Sa 0600-1300
Su 0600-1300 and 1255-2000

Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

As nineteen 320s will be used for domestic routes and there are only seventeen domestic configured 320s then two will be regional aircraft, or three if one of the domestic 320s is in maintenance. The regional 320s used on domestic routes could also be doing some regional flying as well, so difficult to know exactly what the situation is until the 321NEO schedules are available.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:47 pm

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Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

NZ used to publish a planner that showed how aircraft were utilised, and this made “gaps” in utilisation instantly obvious. Would be keen to know how you got this info from the “Book” function on NZ’s website - can you enlighten?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:38 am

DavidByrne wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

NZ used to publish a planner that showed how aircraft were utilised, and this made “gaps” in utilisation instantly obvious. Would be keen to know how you got this info from the “Book” function on NZ’s website - can you enlighten?


The old 'Itinerary Planner Timetable'. Too many aircraft to make it practical now. Used to go to the NAC building in Victoria Street AKL to get them on the day they were delivered.

I obtained the info the hard way by bringing up all the A320 sectors for the week 10-16 Dec 2018, writing them down and checking against an Excel spreadsheet I previously compiled from the website schedule. There were some changes, there always is. The 'Book' function is updated earlier than the website schedule.

On the spread sheet each column represents an aircraft with the cells containing the IATA destination code and arrival or departure time. I leave two empty cells between an arrival and departure if two or more aircraft are on the ground at the same time. Cut and paste to make sense of it. Do the same for the ATRs and Q300s. Also the international fleet. Keeps me occupied twice a year.

Edit:
I use 35 cells for each day Domestic and 10 for each day International. I leave the first 10 cells of the spreadsheet for aircraft details -- 320 01, 320 02 etc and the registrations of the aircraft -- ZK-OAB, ZK-OJQ etc and any effective date info.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:51 am

Some construction work has recently been going on in the domestic terminal in Auckland, in the regional area where the jewellery and watch shop used to be. The hoardings came down yesterday to reveal a couple of check-in desks and a small office space. A few changes coming in the next few weeks...

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:26 am

Travelling on NZ29 in couple days.....wanted to know if there are any tricks on getting a good seat. At 6'4" was hoping for a spare seat but they just filled up.the middle seat today......I see there are some open sky couch seats but not willing to.pay 1200 for this and when I call they say to check in at airport but scared that since I have a short connection will be outage luck......any tips? Thanks
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:04 am

3C says that its focus for the next 12 months will be on product development - this would include working more closely with larger carriers and providing interconnectivity for passengers with other airlines. Would NZ get in on this? Separately, 3C is changing the time of some of its WAG and WHK flights, saying it will provide a faster turnaround and less congestion on the more popular flights.

See:
- https://www.nzherald.co.nz/airlines/new ... d=12106585.
- https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chr ... d=12106790.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:27 am

a7ala wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Looks like just maybe ZQN could support a once weekly seasonal from FJ.

I think a new non-stop flight would stimulate demand too, so you'd probably go in with a twice weekly service, as CHC and WLG are or have been.


No chance - 70-80% of travel between New Zealand and Fiji is NZ resident, whereas 85% of international travel to ZQN is overseas visitor. The two destinations are complete opposites to each other.


Without looking too closely at it, O&D traffic would be low I expect.

You'd also likely see a significant directional imbalance; in other words, I suspect a lot of this is the European tourist market, also largely made up from the younger demographic travelling on 'round the world' type fares, come in from Australia, finish up their time in NZ down south in ZQN, they then head up to NAN for a week at Beachcomber with almost none of them coming back as they continue to America.

There could be a smaller local market ex ZQN but would prefer to see DUD grow and be feed by both ZQN and IVC on top of DUD itself before we worry about ZQN.

OR we continue to see more direct AKL's services and carry pax ex AKL.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:28 am

PA515 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

NZ used to publish a planner that showed how aircraft were utilised, and this made “gaps” in utilisation instantly obvious. Would be keen to know how you got this info from the “Book” function on NZ’s website - can you enlighten?


The old 'Itinerary Planner Timetable'. Too many aircraft to make it practical now. Used to go to the NAC building in Victoria Street AKL to get them on the day they were delivered.

I obtained the info the hard way by bringing up all the A320 sectors for the week 10-16 Dec 2018, writing them down and checking against an Excel spreadsheet I previously compiled from the website schedule. There were some changes, there always is. The 'Book' function is updated earlier than the website schedule.

On the spread sheet each column represents an aircraft with the cells containing the IATA destination code and arrival or departure time. I leave two empty cells between an arrival and departure if two or more aircraft are on the ground at the same time. Cut and paste to make sense of it. Do the same for the ATRs and Q300s. Also the international fleet. Keeps me occupied twice a year.

Edit:
I use 35 cells for each day Domestic and 10 for each day International. I leave the first 10 cells of the spreadsheet for aircraft details -- 320 01, 320 02 etc and the registrations of the aircraft -- ZK-OAB, ZK-OJQ etc and any effective date info.

PA515


I'd love to see a screenshot of how this looks if you're willing to share.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:34 am

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Without looking too closely at it, O&D traffic would be low I expect.

I agree.

I wonder if they could tap LAX / SFO - ZQN traffic, which traditionally goes through AKL or SYD? For AA members, it'd be better than going via SYD, given the lack of backtrack, and via AKL, given the lack of Business Class the whole way and a different terminal transit. They might also be able to get some low-yielding Asia (NRT / HKG / SIN) - ZQN traffic, if they could undercut on price.

I'd love to know what proportion of their CHC / WLG - NAN traffic is connections to the US and Asia.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:46 am

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Travelling on NZ29 in couple days.....wanted to know if there are any tricks on getting a good seat. At 6'4" was hoping for a spare seat but they just filled up.the middle seat today......I see there are some open sky couch seats but not willing to.pay 1200 for this and when I call they say to check in at airport but scared that since I have a short connection will be outage luck......any tips? Thanks


Oh dear... you can seat online or at a Kiosk. You can also ask for help at a Kiosk but don't expect much different by way of options.

Myth suggests they have "loads" of "spare, great seats" but the seats they have access too are strictly limited and are tightly controlled by editing. Some argue these seats are no better but regardless unless you're an HVC they shouldn't be released or blocked.

The golden rule, you get what you pay for. Sky Couch isn't worth it for the 'couch' if you're 6"4 in my opinion but if you want the seat next to you free it's a guarantee.

If you're by yourself, compare the cost of Premium Economy v SkyCouch - it could be similar depending on what's available in each cabin.

When paid seat selection came in it changed the dynamics of what happens at the airport. Yes, they can move people but it's not done as freely as it was 15-20 years ago when your seat selection really was nothing more than 'a bags' on the seat.

My advice, book a seat now! The situation could only get worse without that. Look at the Kiosk when you go to the airport, maybe ask, you never know. Also ask again at the gate; also be polite but not over the top - it's a the Kiwi way and the NZ staff are pretty good and will usually help if they can... but everyone knows I'm completely biased.

Probably not what you wanted to read but hope you get a reasonable seat. If all else fails, they serve good wine :-)
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 am

PA515 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

NZ used to publish a planner that showed how aircraft were utilised, and this made “gaps” in utilisation instantly obvious. Would be keen to know how you got this info from the “Book” function on NZ’s website - can you enlighten?


The old 'Itinerary Planner Timetable'. Too many aircraft to make it practical now. Used to go to the NAC building in Victoria Street AKL to get them on the day they were delivered.

I obtained the info the hard way by bringing up all the A320 sectors for the week 10-16 Dec 2018, writing them down and checking against an Excel spreadsheet I previously compiled from the website schedule. There were some changes, there always is. The 'Book' function is updated earlier than the website schedule.

On the spread sheet each column represents an aircraft with the cells containing the IATA destination code and arrival or departure time. I leave two empty cells between an arrival and departure if two or more aircraft are on the ground at the same time. Cut and paste to make sense of it. Do the same for the ATRs and Q300s. Also the international fleet. Keeps me occupied twice a year.

Edit:
I use 35 cells for each day Domestic and 10 for each day International. I leave the first 10 cells of the spreadsheet for aircraft details -- 320 01, 320 02 etc and the registrations of the aircraft -- ZK-OAB, ZK-OJQ etc and any effective date info.

PA515

I’ve been known to recreate a version of the old planner with an Excel spreadsheet and the line-draw tool - but as you say, so many aircraft now. But a separate sheet for each major aircraft type would still be (just) possible. And yes, getting the new sheet from NAC was one of the highlights of my early av-geek career!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:19 am

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Some construction work has recently been going on in the domestic terminal in Auckland, in the regional area where the jewellery and watch shop used to be. The hoardings came down yesterday to reveal a couple of check-in desks and a small office space. A few changes coming in the next few weeks...

V/F


Expanded space for Air Chats? or New Zealand Domestic services from TT?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:18 am

Thanks NZ6 I usually pay extra and select one on the double seats down the back on the 777 but now with the switch to 787 these are gone. Kiosk is out as I check in at LGA with try the kiwi charm. I also.wasnt sure on the seat selection even.down the back there are odd rows greyed out and I want sure if those are left open like the last row in middle is for the crew and yes the wine is good but a little bit of room helps on the 14 hrscheers
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:40 am

PA515 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Based on Mon 10 Dec to Sun 16 Dec 2018 from the 'Book' function of the Air NZ website.

NZ used to publish a planner that showed how aircraft were utilised, and this made “gaps” in utilisation instantly obvious. Would be keen to know how you got this info from the “Book” function on NZ’s website - can you enlighten?


The old 'Itinerary Planner Timetable'. Too many aircraft to make it practical now. Used to go to the NAC building in Victoria Street AKL to get them on the day they were delivered.

I obtained the info the hard way by bringing up all the A320 sectors for the week 10-16 Dec 2018, writing them down and checking against an Excel spreadsheet I previously compiled from the website schedule. There were some changes, there always is. The 'Book' function is updated earlier than the website schedule.

On the spread sheet each column represents an aircraft with the cells containing the IATA destination code and arrival or departure time. I leave two empty cells between an arrival and departure if two or more aircraft are on the ground at the same time. Cut and paste to make sense of it. Do the same for the ATRs and Q300s. Also the international fleet. Keeps me occupied twice a year.

Edit:
I use 35 cells for each day Domestic and 10 for each day International. I leave the first 10 cells of the spreadsheet for aircraft details -- 320 01, 320 02 etc and the registrations of the aircraft -- ZK-OAB, ZK-OJQ etc and any effective date info.

PA515


Have to say, that's quite impressive PA515 !
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:25 pm

NZ6 wrote:
I'd love to see a screenshot of how this looks if you're willing to share.


No problem. I've never posted a screenshot so sent an email asking how to do it. Nothing back yet.

DavidByrne wrote:
I’ve been known to recreate a version of the old planner with an Excel spreadsheet and the line-draw tool - but as you say, so many aircraft now. But a separate sheet for each major aircraft type would still be (just) possible. And yes, getting the new sheet from NAC was one of the highlights of my early av-geek career!


There was another user on here, originally from WLG and now in Australia, that said the same. Here's Aug 1974.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages ... 7408-2.jpg

NZ321 wrote:
Have to say, that's quite impressive PA515 !


Thanks. It would be easier if Air NZ made the info available in a spreadsheet, but it would also be easier for the competition.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:07 am

zkncj wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Some construction work has recently been going on in the domestic terminal in Auckland, in the regional area where the jewellery and watch shop used to be. The hoardings came down yesterday to reveal a couple of check-in desks and a small office space. A few changes coming in the next few weeks...

V/F


Expanded space for Air Chats? or New Zealand Domestic services from TT?

Tiger would be an interesting thought, but this facility looks like it would be too small for a jet operation, so my guess would be Air Chathams. The fact there are Air Chathams AOCs on the walls is a bit of a giveaway too...

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:11 pm

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NYKiwi wrote:
Thanks NZ6 I usually pay extra and select one on the double seats down the back on the 777 but now with the switch to 787 these are gone. Kiosk is out as I check in at LGA with try the kiwi charm. I also.wasnt sure on the seat selection even.down the back there are odd rows greyed out and I want sure if those are left open like the last row in middle is for the crew and yes the wine is good but a little bit of room helps on the 14 hrscheers

Seats on the side in the forward cabin have slightly more legroom generally especially skycouch rows. A single seat in a sky couch row can often be purchased as a seat select for a few of about $40 (provided they have enough skycouch availability).
Otherwise your best bet is to check in early and see if there are other options and get to the airport early for the ground staff to move you if they have an option.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:36 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
zkncj wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Some construction work has recently been going on in the domestic terminal in Auckland, in the regional area where the jewellery and watch shop used to be. The hoardings came down yesterday to reveal a couple of check-in desks and a small office space. A few changes coming in the next few weeks...

V/F


Expanded space for Air Chats? or New Zealand Domestic services from TT?

Tiger would be an interesting thought, but this facility looks like it would be too small for a jet operation, so my guess would be Air Chathams. The fact there are Air Chathams AOCs on the walls is a bit of a giveaway too...

V/F


Make sense with the expanding 3C services ex-AKL, currently aren't they sharing with one of the great barrier airlines?

If/Once TT starts New Zealand domestic operations I wouldn't expect them to have much airport space at all e.g. think they would be targeting most passengers to check-in online / carry-on only.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:01 am

Some Air NZ aircraft news.

789 ZK-NZC has just had a test flight and is doing NZ282 AKL-SIN tonight after being out of action for 28 days.

77W ZK-OKR is doing NZ103 / NZ104 AKL-SYD / SYD-AKL tomorrow after being out of action for 43 days.

The 20th ATR 72-600 ZK-MVV arrived CHC from BNE last night.

The 12th and 13th 789s ZK-NZN and ZK-NZQ are out of final assembly.

Photo of ZK-NZN on it's way to the EMC paint hangar. No engines and no Wifi installation.

http://www.paineairport.com/images/kpae16339jr.png

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:09 am

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The 12th and 13th 789s ZK-NZN and ZK-NZQ are out of final assembly.



So that would be the final too 789s on order? or was there still one more after that?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:53 am

zkncj wrote:
PA515 wrote:

The 12th and 13th 789s ZK-NZN and ZK-NZQ are out of final assembly.



So that would be the final too 789s on order? or was there still one more after that?


The Feb 2018 Interim Report said they were in the final stages of negotiating a 789 lease for FY2020 delivery (probably Sep/Oct 2019). I assumed it would be from ALC but they have not announced anything. It could be coming from a different leasing company or Air NZ changed their mind. Should be covered in the 2018 Annual Report Analyst Presentation next Thursday.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:30 am

Does anyone know what flights the 320/321NEO will/could be going onto? I'm suspecting NZ706 is a 321 candidate
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:41 am

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Does anyone know what flights the 320/321NEO will/could be going onto? I'm suspecting NZ706 is a 321 candidate


NZ706 is currently a AKL-SYD-ZQN-SYD-AKL rotation most of the time, I don’t believe an A321 can operate out of ZQN.

All 13 NEO’s get delivered by the end of 2019 isn’t it so it’s a fairly fast transition. NZ have said they will use the A321 to increase capacity on busier routes operated by A320’s like AKL- MEL/BNE/NAN and 1-2 others were mentioned, I doubt you will see them much outside AKL.

First route at a guess could be NZ721 the new 0730 MEL service returns 1610, there is a 1705 NAN a few days and TBU some days aswell.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:52 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
Does anyone know what flights the 320/321NEO will/could be going onto? I'm suspecting NZ706 is a 321 candidate


NZ706 is currently a AKL-SYD-ZQN-SYD-AKL rotation most of the time, I don’t believe an A321 can operate out of ZQN.

All 13 NEO’s get delivered by the end of 2019 isn’t it so it’s a fairly fast transition. NZ have said they will use the A321 to increase capacity on busier routes operated by A320’s like AKL- MEL/BNE/NAN and 1-2 others were mentioned, I doubt you will see them much outside AKL.

First route at a guess could be NZ721 the new 0730 MEL service returns 1610, there is a 1705 NAN a few days and TBU some days aswell.

While I think you've raised very good points, that flight used to always operate as NZ106 on a widebody suggesting that a higher capacity aircraft would be good for it. However more widebody services are now operating than what used to.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - August 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:11 am

LamboAston wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
Does anyone know what flights the 320/321NEO will/could be going onto? I'm suspecting NZ706 is a 321 candidate


NZ706 is currently a AKL-SYD-ZQN-SYD-AKL rotation most of the time, I don’t believe an A321 can operate out of ZQN.

All 13 NEO’s get delivered by the end of 2019 isn’t it so it’s a fairly fast transition. NZ have said they will use the A321 to increase capacity on busier routes operated by A320’s like AKL- MEL/BNE/NAN and 1-2 others were mentioned, I doubt you will see them much outside AKL.

First route at a guess could be NZ721 the new 0730 MEL service returns 1610, there is a 1705 NAN a few days and TBU some days aswell.

While I think you've raised very good points, that flight used to always operate as NZ106 on a widebody suggesting that a higher capacity aircraft would be good for it. However more widebody services are now operating than what used to.


NZ106 used to be the return of 105, now 105 turns as 108 which is a 772/789. They may well rejig to allow an A321 or 777/787 to operate the service, NZ107 used to overnight SYD and do NZ100 in the early morning back to AKL with a 763. Of all the SYD flights I think the current NZ711/706 is the most likely to stay an A320 at least with the current schedules.

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