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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:50 pm

SQ317 wrote:
JayBCNLON wrote:
Why is one of the biggest airports in the world (JFK) not able to simply handle an aircraft without a glitch more than 10 years after its market entry ?

Terminal 1 only has a couple of A380 gates I believe and yet has to handle LH, AF and KE A380 flights. Norwegian operate out of T1, the only other terminal with A380 gates is Terminal 4. Quite a poor state of affairs compared to Heathrow for example..

Because it is old, older tech than the 747 even & thus not up to modern airport standards. Someone here said BA's Terminal could not handle the A380. JFK's terminals are small, crammed & a hassle both from a PAX & operation perspective, even third world capitals have better unfrastructure these days. I just commuted through JFK long-haul, never again, I'll take EWR next time if I must.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:35 pm

I have a feeling that next summer the place to catch this plane will be Orlando McCoy. It makes so much sense for operators like TCX to pull it in on surge lease.

TCX have pl,ans to expand Orlando flying and it would free up the A332 fleet for new routes or widebody flights to PMI and DLM etc...
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:37 pm

Does anyone know if the aircraft is still on the ground at OSL? Scheduled departure LGW -JFK is 2.5 hours from now and from what I can see on tracking sites it hasnt ferried down to LGW yet. The aircraft has had lots of time to get to LGW in time for the JFK service at 17h05!
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:39 pm

Richie72 wrote:
Does anyone know if the aircraft is still on the ground at OSL? Scheduled departure LGW -JFK is 2.5 hours from now and from what I can see on tracking sites it hasnt ferried down to LGW yet. The aircraft has had lots of time to get to LGW in time for the JFK service at 17h05!


Will leave OSL in about 30 minutes.

Todays LGW-JFK is anyway 4hours late due to operations issues at JFK (gate space)
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:04 pm

Thanks for the info Someone83. I see now the ETD from JFK is 03h00 due to Flight deck crew shortage!
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:58 pm

DWC wrote:
SQ317 wrote:
JayBCNLON wrote:
Why is one of the biggest airports in the world (JFK) not able to simply handle an aircraft without a glitch more than 10 years after its market entry ?

Terminal 1 only has a couple of A380 gates I believe and yet has to handle LH, AF and KE A380 flights. Norwegian operate out of T1, the only other terminal with A380 gates is Terminal 4. Quite a poor state of affairs compared to Heathrow for example..

Because it is old, older tech than the 747 even & thus not up to modern airport standards. Someone here said BA's Terminal could not handle the A380. JFK's terminals are small, crammed & a hassle both from a PAX & operation perspective, even third world capitals have better unfrastructure these days. I just commuted through JFK long-haul, never again, I'll take EWR next time if I must.


As DWC said, JFK is just an atrocious airport. I too just went through JFK for a long-haul to Australia and I've promised myself NEVER AGAIN.

Regarding Norwegian - I would say one reason we are seeing the A380 in place is because the Wamos 747 has been nothing but trouble, mechanically, for them and has, in addition to getting lots of bad reviews from people, already been the source of several diversions/returns. They are probably just happy for an alternative, even if it is as dramatic an alternative as an ex-SQ A380.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:04 pm

The A380 is a logistical nightmare for terminal 1 @ JFK. Air France has had to reduce the number of A380 flights because terminal 1 cannot accommodate more than two on the ramp at any given time (Normally gates 5 and 6 or 8). Its not uncommon for international arrivals to have 1-2 hour gate waits upon landing at JFK, terminal 1 on a daily basis. I refuse to fly certain airlines out of JFK terminal 1 knowing what their operation is like. Certain airlines are given priority gate access over others That terminal has overstretched its resources and like any airline does, blames "ATC" or uses the excuse of "crew shortage" to justifying delaying the flight
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:15 pm

It appears that Air Austral will also be leasing the A380 this fall to replace a 787 going in for its' engine inspection as part of the ongoing RR troubles.

http://atwonline.com/leasing/air-austral-wet-lease-hi-fly-a380-grounded-787-inspected

Air Austral will wet lease an Airbus A380 from Portuguese wet-lease specialist Hi Fly to replace its second Boeing 787-8, which is being taken out of service for three months from Aug. 24 for Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine inspections.

The La Reunion-based carrier warned there could be flight schedule changes between Aug. 24 and Sept. 9, principally on its Mayotte-Paris route.

The A380 in question is a former Singapore Airlines aircraft equipped with 471 seats: 12 first class, 60 business and 399 economy seats.

Air Austral plans to have five cabin crew members on board each Hi Fly-operated flight.

Rolls-Royce, which said Aug. 2 it had taken a £554 million ($729 million) hit over the Trent 1000 problems, is inspecting hundreds of the engines.

Air Austral said it would have to modify its flight schedule between Mayotte in the Indian Ocean and Paris because the A380 is not suitable for the runway at Mayotte’s Dzaoudzi-Pamandzi International Airport and is too large to operate on regional links such as La Reunion-Bangkok.

Passengers booked on Air Austral’s Mayotte-Paris service will have to fly via La Reunion and the airline has added extra A380 flights between La Reunion and Paris for the period concerned.

It is also adding extra La Reunion-Mayotte flights using its Boeing 737 and its other 787-8, which has already had its engines inspected, will also serve La Reunion-Bangkok and La Reunion-Mayotte routes.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:26 pm

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It appears that Air Austral will also be leasing the A380 this fall to replace a 787 going in for its' engine inspection as part of the ongoing RR troubles.

http://atwonline.com/leasing/air-austral-wet-lease-hi-fly-a380-grounded-787-inspected

Air Austral will wet lease an Airbus A380 from Portuguese wet-lease specialist Hi Fly to replace its second Boeing 787-8, which is being taken out of service for three months from Aug. 24 for Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engine inspections.

The La Reunion-based carrier warned there could be flight schedule changes between Aug. 24 and Sept. 9, principally on its Mayotte-Paris route.

The A380 in question is a former Singapore Airlines aircraft equipped with 471 seats: 12 first class, 60 business and 399 economy seats.

Air Austral plans to have five cabin crew members on board each Hi Fly-operated flight.

Rolls-Royce, which said Aug. 2 it had taken a £554 million ($729 million) hit over the Trent 1000 problems, is inspecting hundreds of the engines.

Air Austral said it would have to modify its flight schedule between Mayotte in the Indian Ocean and Paris because the A380 is not suitable for the runway at Mayotte’s Dzaoudzi-Pamandzi International Airport and is too large to operate on regional links such as La Reunion-Bangkok.

Passengers booked on Air Austral’s Mayotte-Paris service will have to fly via La Reunion and the airline has added extra A380 flights between La Reunion and Paris for the period concerned.

It is also adding extra La Reunion-Mayotte flights using its Boeing 737 and its other 787-8, which has already had its engines inspected, will also serve La Reunion-Bangkok and La Reunion-Mayotte routes.


Wow I had no idea Air Austral operated DZA-CDG as well, ~5000mi flight off a sub 2000m runway is impressive
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:53 pm

JFK is a logistical nightmare all by itself, A380 or not... I have flown there on A380 and everything seemed pretty much equal to arriving there in other airplane types.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:00 pm

It’s on approach to LGW now.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:40 pm

Is the European airline mentioned by Hi Fly really actually Norwegian or Air Austral?

I believe what Hi Fly means is a relatively long team leasing which last for months,
rather then such ad-hoc rescue leasing from days to weeks.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:13 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
Is the European airline mentioned by Hi Fly really actually Norwegian or Air Austral?

I believe what Hi Fly means is a relatively long team leasing which last for months,
rather then such ad-hoc rescue leasing from days to weeks.



Norwegian up to 24th of august then Air Austral
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:15 pm

Hi Fly Malta Airbus A380-841 Landing and Take-Off @OSL, Oslo Gardermoen ( video ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDyD2FnSxeA

Thanx to "siggdude " for this video
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:23 pm

In other words, if RR engines on the 787 weren’t a problem it would still be sitting waiting for work it appears.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:31 pm

After Norwegian ops the Hi-fly A380 is being wet leased to Air Austral.. so it will be busy
http://m.atwonline.com/leasing/air-aust ... -inspected

Guess Hi-fly may take a second A380 ?
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:58 pm

7BOEING7 wrote:
In other words, if RR engines on the 787 weren’t a problem it would still be sitting waiting for work it appears.


There could be demand for other work, but the RR 787 operators may be shelling out more for their urgent needs.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:14 pm

flyingphil wrote:
After Norwegian ops the Hi-fly A380 is being wet leased to Air Austral.. so it will be busy
http://m.atwonline.com/leasing/air-aust ... -inspected

Guess Hi-fly may take a second A380 ?

That's great news, and goes to prove that HiFly knew what they were doing getting A380's , contrary to many here on A-net who questioned the business case for such a deal. Hope the second aircraft gets busy soon too.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Erebus wrote:
7BOEING7 wrote:
In other words, if RR engines on the 787 weren’t a problem it would still be sitting waiting for work it appears.


There could be demand for other work, but the RR 787 operators may be shelling out more for their urgent needs.


Or getting a really good deal so that huge asset brings in some cash. There may be more here than meets the eye.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:22 pm

Since Hi Fly kept the Singapore interior if you purchase Premium on DY you'll get a lie flat bed OR a First Class Suite assigned to you. I'm seeing prices of about $1,000 USD one way on the late night departure from JFK.

I may just have to book myself a little getaway and hope the airline gods don't swap out that A380.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Rafale9312 wrote:
It appears that Air Austral will also be leasing the A380 this fall to replace a 787 going in for its' engine inspection as part of the ongoing RR troubles.

Does anyone see the IRONY ?

On top of Norwegian leasing the A380 for the same reason ?

The A380 helping out airlines because of the RRepeated woes of ( or under ) the 787 that proved Boeing's case against the A380 VLA ? :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:34 pm

spinkid wrote:
Since Hi Fly kept the Singapore interior if you purchase Premium on DY you'll get a lie flat bed OR a First Class Suite assigned to you.


I recall reading on here that Singapore's first class suites were "patented" and "had to come out" when they sold it. I guess not?
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:42 pm

spinkid wrote:
Since Hi Fly kept the Singapore interior if you purchase Premium on DY you'll get a lie flat bed OR a First Class Suite assigned to you. I'm seeing prices of about $1,000 USD one way on the late night departure from JFK.

I may just have to book myself a little getaway and hope the airline gods don't swap out that A380.


I’ve read a bunch of others saying the same.. it’s turning into a revenue driver for DY!
 
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Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:50 pm

Norwegian Air Is leasing A380's From Hifly For the next few weeks on services from LGW-JFK. The aircraft will be an upgrade for passengers from Norwegians Economy to Singapore Airlines Economy.

Source: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/your-ch ... st-photos/
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:52 pm

NAS logic - get the biggest passenger plane in the sky delay departure 4 hours caused by no gate at JFK - all passengers can receive 600€ per person ... Expensive to run a A380 - what a luck nearly 500 passengers get a compensation
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:52 pm

Is DY canceling some LGW-JFK flights, then consolidating them onto the A380?
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:54 pm

LHUSA wrote:
Is DY canceling some LGW-JFK flights, then consolidating them onto the A380?


Still will Have the 787 Daily + The A380
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:13 pm

I think we need a dedicated HiFly A380 operations thread. Posting a new one everytime it operates a new route or lands in a airport is getting a little excessive and makes it really hard to follow discussions about the aircraft since it gets splintered so much.
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:27 pm

This is such a huge comfort upgrade.

Theres gonna be some disappointed people when they rebook and get stuck on the real Norweigan. Great product for the price, but its a ULCC product this is the opposite.
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:29 pm

We already have 2 Hi-Fly threads, one too many, this is the 3rd ;)
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Wow even I would fly dy if I happen to travel to London and they still have this.
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:47 pm

as much as having a 4 class ex-SQ seating layout sounds great, I just wonder how long in 'pristine' condition it will last. Who is going to repair super expensive first class suites? Might be hard to source spares and there could be ductape eventually.
I suppose on time it could be refitted to 2 class.
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:57 pm

AAR wrote:
NAS logic - get the biggest passenger plane in the sky delay departure 4 hours caused by no gate at JFK - all passengers can receive 600€ per person ... Expensive to run a A380 - what a luck nearly 500 passengers get a compensation


Would be a nightmare but the vast majority of passenger don’t realise they can get compensation.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:12 pm

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Would be a nightmare but the vast majority of passenger don’t realise they can get compensation.

The vast majority of passengers will never get compensation because they contact the airline directly and never hear from them again. The only way to get the compensation is with a lawyer.
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:24 pm

IB could have 8 A380 and fly them to LatinAmerica and have them filled.... To me IAG should have already bought or leased as much A380 as they can...but the logistics and fear of expenditures, have made them very cautious. Now we see Hifly get a very good deal and they will surely keep those frames busy. I bet ANA will fly to Hawaii and make a lot of $$$ and they will order more, the A380 is a tourist bomber. it was about time someone had the guts to use it like that. (and to think they are never over 600 PAX ...yet)

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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:32 pm

Norwegian aren't shouting too loudly to their customers about the change. They've advised passengers already booked and the aircraft type for the A380 flights is not shown on the site, unlike their 787 flights. (Not sure what they have in the GDS's)

From a marketing and brand perspective, I think it would be a poor idea to actively promote this temporary fleet addition.

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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:53 pm

Can DY make money doing this? I would assume the wet-lease rate is high.
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:00 pm

AF022 wrote:
Can DY make money doing this? I would assume the wet-lease rate is high.


They wouldn't do it if they couldn't ......
Just like any business, they are there to make a profit.
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:13 pm

I should imagine RR compensation helps the economics of using the A380 TATL.
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:40 pm

Polot wrote:
I think we need a dedicated HiFly A380 operations thread. Posting a new one everytime it operates a new route or lands in a airport is getting a little excessive and makes it really hard to follow discussions about the aircraft since it gets splintered so much.


Honestly. Has any aircraft ever garnered as many threads on anet as the A380? :lol:
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:44 pm

Armodeen wrote:
Polot wrote:
I think we need a dedicated HiFly A380 operations thread. Posting a new one everytime it operates a new route or lands in a airport is getting a little excessive and makes it really hard to follow discussions about the aircraft since it gets splintered so much.


Honestly. Has any aircraft ever garnered as many threads on anet as the A380? :lol:


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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:12 pm

Armodeen wrote:
Polot wrote:
I think we need a dedicated HiFly A380 operations thread. Posting a new one everytime it operates a new route or lands in a airport is getting a little excessive and makes it really hard to follow discussions about the aircraft since it gets splintered so much.


Honestly. Has any aircraft ever garnered as many threads on anet as the A380? :lol:


The 757MAX has as well
 
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Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:22 pm

Birdwatching wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Would be a nightmare but the vast majority of passenger don’t realise they can get compensation.

The vast majority of passengers will never get compensation because they contact the airline directly and never hear from them again. The only way to get the compensation is with a lawyer.


Passengers do get their money from airlines. I just had a group of coworkers who's children were delayed 24 hours going to Mexico two weeks ago and they already got their money. This was with AF so maybe with other carriers it can take more time. If the airline doesn't reply, you can file a complaint with the authority (DGAC here in France) who can fine the airline. I imagine the fine is higher than the money they must pay the passengers. I think cases where lawyers must be involved are rare. Plus you have a lot of agencies who advertise and file the claim for you (for a fee), so people are aware of their rights, this is all over the news every time there's a big holiday.
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:01 pm

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Birdwatching wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Would be a nightmare but the vast majority of passenger don’t realise they can get compensation.

The vast majority of passengers will never get compensation because they contact the airline directly and never hear from them again. The only way to get the compensation is with a lawyer.


I can’t be arsed doing it myself so I use refund.me, I’ve had about €3000 in payments over the past 3 years.
 
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Re: A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:04 pm

I suppose all it matters is who is to blame. In this case HiFly? Or is it the contractors?
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:15 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
Polot wrote:
I think we need a dedicated HiFly A380 operations thread. Posting a new one everytime it operates a new route or lands in a airport is getting a little excessive and makes it really hard to follow discussions about the aircraft since it gets splintered so much.


Honestly. Has any aircraft ever garnered as many threads on anet as the A380? :lol:


The 757MAX has as well


Northwest's DC9's.
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:19 pm

commpilot wrote:
Yes...the M.O.M from Boeing.


Samrnpage wrote:
The 757MAX has as well


Well, the big difference is that the A380 exists!
 
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Re: Hifly A380 Operating LGW-JFK

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:28 pm

Is this the first A380 to operate out of Gatwick to the America’s?
 
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Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:47 pm

bananaboy wrote:
Norwegian aren't shouting too loudly to their customers about the change. They've advised passengers already booked and the aircraft type for the A380 flights is not shown on the site, unlike their 787 flights. (Not sure what they have in the GDS's)

From a marketing and brand perspective, I think it would be a poor idea to actively promote this temporary fleet addition.

Mark
Isn't the A380 effectively replacing the 747 from Wamos (ex MH) that DI has been using on LGW-JFK since early June

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