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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:17 am

Confirmed by Alaska Airlines on twitter:

"We are aware of an incident involving an unauthorized take-off of a Horizon Air Q400. We believe there are no passengers on board. More information as we learn more."

Source: @AlaskaAir on twitter.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:18 am

Chriswebb775 wrote:
I'm having a hard time finding it on any local news in Seattle... are we sure it's real .


Fox News is now picking it up.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/11/po ... state.html
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:18 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Did the F-15s come from PDX or somewhere in Washington?

"USAF F15's ROCK41 & ROCK42 scrambled from Portland at 0304z to intercept a Target of Interest"
https://twitter.com/AircraftSpots/statu ... 7140285440
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:22 am

I'm genuinely in shock.

This actually happened?
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:22 am

Geez, what's with everyone stealing regional jets these days? I mean, if you're going to do something as idiotic as steal a commercial plane at least go all in and grab something cool like an A380 or 787.

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... p-concert/

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Wtf? Cue the psych test in order to get an ATP legislation in 4,3,2...


To be honest I'm a bit surprised it isn't already a requirement. Regular mental health checks along with the already required medical exam just seems to make sense for those who have as much responsibility and potential to do major harm as airline pilots.

EDIT: By the way, does anybody remember a story from about 10 years ago when an American military pilot stole a jet (it might have been an F-16 or F-18) and took it on a joy ride? I vaguely remember hearing about it but never actually read/saw the story myself.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:22 am

Lemieux wrote:
https://twitter.com/drbmbdgty/status/1028130383911501824?s=21 Footage of stolen aircraft and F-15 in pursuit


"It just did a loop-de-loop".

Huh?
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:22 am

They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:23 am

N415XJ wrote:
Geez, what's with everyone stealing regional jets these days? I mean, if you're going to do something as idiotic as steal a commercial plane at least go all in and grab something cool like an A380 or 787.

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... p-concert/

usflyer msp wrote:
Wtf? Cue the psych test in order to get an ATP legislation in 4,3,2...


To be honest I'm a bit surprised it isn't already a requirement. Regular mental health checks along with the already required medical exam just seems to make sense for those who have as much responsibility and potential to do major harm as airline pilots.


Some outlets are reporting it was a mechanic? Obviously VERY early on so who knows how accurate that is... but that would change things in terms of mental health checks
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:23 am

Wow that video of the dash 8 400 going loop de loop and f-15s chasing after it pretty legit but the question is did they shoot him down or did he crash on his own
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:24 am

hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:25 am

Firefighter aircraft being mentioned on KSEA Center/App
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:25 am

ANALOVER2 wrote:
At approximately 8:00PM, an AS employee (most likely a QX pilot) asked ramp tower for permission to do barrel rolls and then took off unauthorized. The q400 in question is reportedly N423QX. SeaTac is currently in a ground stop right now, and FBI and National Guard have been notified.

Source: Can't say

Edit: F-15s were scrambled to intercept rogue aircraft over the Olympic Peninsula. The hijacked aircraft has crashed and a helicopter is over the site right now.



I heard the F15's take off at PDX from my office. I was wondering what scrambled them.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:26 am

NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


One thing, P3D and the Majestic Q400 addon. Exactly as the real plane.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:26 am

ucdtim17 wrote:
Did the F-15s come from PDX or somewhere in Washington?


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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:27 am

Do you guys think Seattle news helicopters will be on the scene shortly?
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:27 am

rosecityspotter wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Did the F-15s come from PDX or somewhere in Washington?


PDX “ROCK 01”

It’s actually 41 & 42, not 01
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:27 am

NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


I'd be more inclined to believe the mechanic angle since they would at least know how to start the Q and get the engines going.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:28 am

NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...

Agreed. Especially considering that the Q400 isn’t quite easy to start as something like an A320.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:30 am

I've been told that the hijacker WAS NOT a pilot. The aircraft was stolen from the maintenance hanger, so it is quite probable the hijacker was a mechanic or someone with a good amount of knowledge of Q400 systems.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:30 am

ual763 wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


One thing, P3D and the Majestic Q400 addon. Exactly as the real plane.

That's possible, but maneuvering an aircraft on the ground isn't anything like flightsim.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:30 am

I am seeing a huge police response near Des Moines!!!
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:30 am

kabq737 wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...

Agreed. Especially considering that the Q400 isn’t quite easy to start as something like an A320.


No way in hell a customer service agent would know how to fly an aircraft, unless of course this person had prior extensive flight experience.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:31 am

ual763 wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


One thing, P3D and the Majestic Q400 addon. Exactly as the real plane.


Perhaps not 'exactly' the same as the real plane, but using the sim and that addon could definitely teach you how to start it up and take off, albeit not safely.

If this story ends up being as reported, and the thief did indeed use a commercial sim to train, I wonder if we might see future regulations limiting/prohibiting highly accurate commercially available sim addons. I hope not, but never underestimate the government's willingness to throw knee-jerk legislation at an aviation related problem as a 'solution'.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:32 am

alasizon wrote:
NYPECO wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
They're saying it was a customer service agent that didn't actually know how to fly. Crazy!!


I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


I'd be more inclined to believe the mechanic angle since they would at least know how to start the Q and get the engines going.


Would also raise fewer flags with WHY he was starting engines or possibly taxiing. Even if a fellow mechanic asked he could probably come up with a quick lie that no one would think twice about.

Wouldn’t be difficult to buy enough time to get the engines going and start heading for the runway. At that point you’re home free.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:33 am

Alaska Airlines website reporting the plane as registration N449QX.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:33 am

ikolkyo wrote:
This is crazy, how the hell did he even manage to get to the runway and get in the air? Can’t wait to hear more details.



Well, he taxied to the runway and took off..... happens everyday.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:33 am

N415XJ wrote:
ual763 wrote:
NYPECO wrote:

I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


One thing, P3D and the Majestic Q400 addon. Exactly as the real plane.


Perhaps not 'exactly' the same as the real plane, but using the sim and that addon could definitely teach you how to start it up and take off, albeit not safely.

If this story ends up being as reported, and the thief did indeed use a commercial sim to train, I wonder if we might see future regulations limiting/prohibiting highly accurate commercially available sim addons. I hope not, but never underestimate the government's willingness to throw knee-jerk legislation at an aviation related problem as a 'solution'.

I don't think this was premeditated. From what I hear the man sounded intoxicated. If Flight Sims get banned as a result of this I will be extremely extremely angry.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:34 am

N415XJ wrote:
ual763 wrote:
NYPECO wrote:

I would be surprised if this is true, that would mean he figured out how to start the engine and get the plane to the runway...


One thing, P3D and the Majestic Q400 addon. Exactly as the real plane.


Perhaps not 'exactly' the same as the real plane, but using the sim and that addon could definitely teach you how to start it up and take off, albeit not safely.

If this story ends up being as reported, and the thief did indeed use a commercial sim to train, I wonder if we might see future regulations limiting/prohibiting highly accurate commercially available sim addons. I hope not, but never underestimate the government's willingness to throw knee-jerk legislation at an aviation related problem as a 'solution'.


I sure hope it doesn’t come to that. But, yes, he would definitely be able to start the plane from using the sim. He could probably fly too. Just probably not as good as an actual pilot could either. But then again, I don’t think he cared for flying it as per the book either, as evidence by the barrel rolls, etc.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:36 am

it would have to be those mechanics the ones that work on our aircraft taxi are planes to the gate every morning and they know how to drive a plane
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:36 am

alasizon wrote:
electro3k wrote:
seeing clarification on twitter from multiple sources it was a HORIZON aircraft, not Alaska


Horizon basically is Alaska. Its their wholly owned partner and all of their aircraft are flown for AS. The aircraft was wearing an AS livery.


Horizon is absolutely a sister carrier to Alaska Airlines (both owned by AAG), and the plane absolutely was wearing Alaska Airlines colors. However, this is an aviation forum and we’re not talking about a CSR issue, etc. This was a crash. I think it’s pretty normal to be a bit more specific in these things. Hopefully that doesn’t wind too many people up.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:37 am

Here is some of the interaction with ATC:
https://twitter.com/jwsthomson/status/1 ... 08929?s=21
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:37 am

We are all just fanboys, our opinions don't make or break businesses.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:39 am

https://twitter.com/jwsthomson/status/1 ... 08929?s=21 Audio from earlier, guy was definitely suicidal, drunk, or both
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:39 am

How would a costumer service agent know how to even start a modern twin engine turboprop? It's not like just pushing buttons or moving levers.

This looks so weird and it's also a huge security failure. Luckily it wasn't a fully loaded plane or an even bigger plane flying towards a town or a big city.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:39 am

426Shadow wrote:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N449QX/history/20180810/1637Z/CYYJ/KSEA

I don't believe this is the aircraft
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:40 am

That ATC recording is something else. I think it didn't go the way he expected and didn't figure it out until the bitter end.

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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:41 am

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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:41 am

DiamondFlyer wrote:
rosecityspotter wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Did the F-15s come from PDX or somewhere in Washington?


PDX “ROCK 01”

It’s actually 41 & 42, not 01


My bad. Didn’t have the scanner on at the time and audio archive was a little muffled when I listened. Usually they use Rock 1.
 
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:43 am

speedbird52 wrote:
electro3k wrote:
unconfirmed smoke in area
Image

Which area are you in?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1028130383911501824 This video from a person seeing the plane just before it crashes your photo verify the video as it seems to be in same area
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:43 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Horizon is absolutely a sister carrier to Alaska Airlines (both owned by AAG), and the plane absolutely was wearing Alaska Airlines colors. However, this is an aviation forum and we’re not talking about a CSR issue, etc. This was a crash. I think it’s pretty normal to be a bit more specific in these things. Hopefully that doesn’t wind too many people up.


Being precise about it shouldn't wind people up, but neither should the media or anyone else referring to it as an Alaska plane. I think that's the point. Technically, as Alaska owns Horizon, it *is* an Alaska-owned plane. And it was not a scheduled flight by either airline, so all that really matters to the story is who the owner is and what name is on the side. It's an airplane registered to Horizon and it's perfectly ok to note that, but people just shouldn't get bent out of shape seeing it referred to as an Alaska-owned Q400.

Anyway, pretty shocking turn of events here. As for commercial sims being banned, no, that won't happen. What will happen will ultimately depend on who the person was who actually stole this plane. If it was a mechanic, you can bet there will be more security protocols required for mechanics and those working around them.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:43 am

NearMiss wrote:
How would a costumer service agent know how to even start a modern twin engine turboprop? It's not like just pushing buttons or moving levers.

This looks so weird and it's also a huge security failure. Luckily it wasn't a fully loaded plane or an even bigger plane flying towards a town or a big city.

He could have read manuals online, or used the Majestic Q400. I really hope he wasn't a CSA, and I really hope we don't loose access to home Flight Sims because of this
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:44 am

speedbird52 wrote:
426Shadow wrote:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N449QX/history/20180810/1637Z/CYYJ/KSEA

I don't believe this is the aircraft


According to AS, that’s the aircraft reg. However, it was in the maintenance hanger - did it cxl Victoria-Seattle due to a mechanical issue this morning then get ferried back later?
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:44 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Horizon is absolutely a sister carrier to Alaska Airlines (both owned by AAG), and the plane absolutely was wearing Alaska Airlines colors. However, this is an aviation forum and we’re not talking about a CSR issue, etc. This was a crash. I think it’s pretty normal to be a bit more specific in these things. Hopefully that doesn’t wind too many people up.


Dave, I certainly agree that we usually are more specific but my point was more so that the original comment implied that AS had nothing to do with it and that it was entirely Horizon. Some people will probably still get wound up though because of AS vs QX.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:45 am

Yes the totally appropriate response to this would be "ban all flight simulators" ... but I'm sure we'll be hearing that from our well-informed politicians by early tomorrow morning
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:46 am

alasizon wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Horizon is absolutely a sister carrier to Alaska Airlines (both owned by AAG), and the plane absolutely was wearing Alaska Airlines colors. However, this is an aviation forum and we’re not talking about a CSR issue, etc. This was a crash. I think it’s pretty normal to be a bit more specific in these things. Hopefully that doesn’t wind too many people up.


Dave, I certainly agree that we usually are more specific but my point was more so that the original comment implied that AS had nothing to do with it and that it was entirely Horizon. Some people will probably still get wound up though because of AS vs QX.


I just took it as them providing clarity. Certainly in the PNW, everyone knows “Horizon” is “Alaska” so linking the two makes sense.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:46 am

Lemieux wrote:
https://twitter.com/jwsthomson/status/1 ... 08929?s=21 Audio from earlier, guy was definitely suicidal, drunk, or both

Very sad. Just further proves that awareness of mental health needs to be seriously ramped up.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:48 am

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Did the F-15s come from PDX or somewhere in Washington?


I am being told they were scrambled from Mchord Air Base near Tacoma.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:50 am

speedbird52 wrote:
If Flight Sims get banned as a result of this I will be extremely extremely angry.


joeblow10 wrote:
Yes the totally appropriate response to this would be "ban all flight simulators" ... but I'm sure we'll be hearing that from our well-informed politicians by early tomorrow morning


Nothing will happen to flight simulators, the 9/11 hijackers reportedly used flight simulators and there weren't any laws created against them.
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:50 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Yes the totally appropriate response to this would be "ban all flight simulators" ... but I'm sure we'll be hearing that from our well-informed politicians by early tomorrow morning


And if we do, you should ignore them because it won't (and can't) happen. Focus on the story here, guys. Not speculation on stuff that's irrelevant.
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Re: AS Employee steals Q400 at SeaTac

Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:50 am

spacecadet wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Horizon is absolutely a sister carrier to Alaska Airlines (both owned by AAG), and the plane absolutely was wearing Alaska Airlines colors. However, this is an aviation forum and we’re not talking about a CSR issue, etc. This was a crash. I think it’s pretty normal to be a bit more specific in these things. Hopefully that doesn’t wind too many people up.


Being precise about it shouldn't wind people up, but neither should the media or anyone else referring to it as an Alaska plane. I think that's the point. Technically, as Alaska owns Horizon, it *is* an Alaska-owned plane. And it was not a scheduled flight by either airline, so all that really matters to the story is who the owner is and what name is on the side. It's an airplane registered to Horizon and it's perfectly ok to note that, but people just shouldn't get bent out of shape seeing it referred to as an Alaska-owned Q400.

Anyway, pretty shocking turn of events here. As for commercial sims being banned, no, that won't happen. What will happen will ultimately depend on who the person was who actually stole this plane. If it was a mechanic, you can bet there will be more security protocols required for mechanics and those working around them.


1. They are owned by Alaska Air Group. Just a technicality.
2. When you have a family member with an airline, and they announce your airline had s plane crash (as I went through with AS261), I just don’t think being a bit more specific is a bad thing. Yes, branded as Alaska. No, not an Alaska Airlines plane.

Anyhow, I’m not trying to be argumentative. I’m more just trying to be clear and accurate on an aviation forum. I assume we can handle that level of detail here.
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
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