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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:20 pm

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Finn350 wrote:
Here is the ATC recording of the chase fighters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9geutArj9ts

This was fascinating. Quick question: who is Bigfoot? I get who ROCK41 and ROCK42, as well as TOI1 and of course SEA ATC. But who is talking when it says Bigfoot?

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22 ... 0-airliner says Bigfoot is "the Western Air Defense Sector (WADS) that controls these types of intercepts".
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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:56 pm

Any news on this, please?
Not sure how much there is to investigate on the ground, crash wise.
The guy had legal access to these type of aircraft and obviously had flight-deck knowledge.
Combine that with some SIM time and a somewhat disturbed mindset; and off you go go.

He obviously went outside the flight enveloppe of the aircraft, the flight data recorder will tell investigators exactly by how much.
Heck, the Voice Data Recorder may yield a few interesting final whispers.
But this is one of the few crashes of late where it is appears to be obvious what the TECHNICAL root cause of the crash has been!

The discussion of how to prevent this type of theft is interesting.
I am pessimistic when it comes to retrofit any type of electronic locks to existing aircraft; never mind the real old girls: just too cost prohibitive.
You can not "half ass" it; this system is simply not allowed to have any bugs whilst the aircraft is underway.
Perhaps in future designs a "ground mode" could be implemented; in which access to high power settings are limited to just authorised pilots and perhaps a few senior engineers.
But that still leaves you with plenty of people that have legal access; and I think quite a few others with easy (illegal) access!

Physically locking civil aprons and / or runways is just not realistic. It may work for some smaller airfields; but it`s not feasible in most places.
I`m afraid that it is quite easy to cause considerable grief for perpetrators that don`t shy away from suicidal consequences.
Rent a van / truck, or even easier in the US: buy a massive semi-automatic gun; and you´ll soon get your point across!
I know of singlehanded people who have access to large powerful ships....imagine plowing one of them into the local pier or walkway; or just colliding it with smaller passenger vessels on a river.
I think in a lot of railroad systems around the world you could still do irreparable damage by passing a red light or two; or cornering the locomotive a tad too fast.
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My biggest concern would be a rogue passenger jet pilot; who would get rid of his / her colleague in the final stages of the flight (read: "punch") and simply fly into a high profile target before anybody would have a clue of what`s happening. How the heck do you stop THAT from happening?

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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:17 pm

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All the perp's time on flight sims, without any known effort to even get a PPL (think Civil Air Patrol, community college, etc.)... shows long term calculation, probably obsession, with the Q as a coffin.


I completely disagree. While I never was an a simmer except very occasionally there are tons of people who love flight simulators and are aviation enthusiasts but for various reasons don't actually go to flight school, those reasons probably include they can't afford flight training, their health precludes it, fear of heights, too old to start, etc. Loving aviation does not require you to get a PPL, not everyone that loves race car driving games wants or is able to be a NASCAR driver, there are always more fanboys than people that actually pursue the career.

I got my pilots license (PPL) back in 2001. I could just barely afford to do it, and I knew I couldn't afford to get all the time and ratings to become a career pilot so long ago I decided to just fly for a hobby, as a recreational pilot. Not everyone aspires to or can afford to do flying for a living.

My opinion is that he was suicidal for mental reasons near the end, but I don't think that the hobby of flight simming was used by him to train for that, I think it just enabled him when he finally got to that point in his life.
 
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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:16 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... m-sea-tac/

Seattle Times reporters interviews pilot who had 'run ins' with the hijacker previously over suspicious activity in the cockpit, as well as interviewing a co-worker. It is a longish article and a little confusing, but a lot of new information.
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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:55 pm

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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/pilot-became-suspicious-of-richard-russell-a-year-before-he-stole-airplane-from-sea-tac/

Seattle Times reporters interviews pilot who had 'run ins' with the hijacker previously over suspicious activity in the cockpit, as well as interviewing a co-worker. It is a longish article and a little confusing, but a lot of new information.

It says:

On a later occasion last year, Monteith said he saw Russell in the captain’s seat of another SkyWest jet joined by a fellow Horizon ramp agent, prompting him to confront them.

“To see anybody in the cockpit of one of our airplanes without a SkyWest representative present is highly unusual,” he said. “So I kind of just went over and said, ‘Hey, what are you guys doing in here?’ ”

After they told him they were training to tug the aircraft, Monteith said he told them: “You look like you’re doing more than that and don’t need to be there.”

Monteith said he didn’t report the incident at the time because “it’s kind of a delicate issue.”

We don’t have a specific security mandate saying those with clearance can’t be in a plane’s cockpit,” he said. “And if these really were legitimate guys and they’re authorized to be there, I would potentially be creating an abrasive situation.”

Looks like there needs to be a "specific security mandate"...
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Re: Updated: QX employee steals and crashes Q400 near SEA

Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:24 pm

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After they told him they were training to tug the aircraft, Monteith said he told them: “You look like you’re doing more than that and don’t need to be there.”

We don’t have a specific security mandate saying those with clearance can’t be in a plane’s cockpit,” he said. “And if these really were legitimate guys and they’re authorized to be there, I would potentially be creating an abrasive situation.”

Looks like there needs to be a "specific security mandate"...

It seems to me that having those towing the plane sitting in the cockpit itself was not the unusual part, but what they had been doing there precisely. I'm sure there would've been more concern if he had claimed to be a baggage handler, or any other job that has no reason at all to be there.

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