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hisham wrote:It’s not like the whole country blew up. Damascus, Latakia etc have been spared and have operational airports.
IWMBH wrote:Isn't there a lot of US/EU technology in this plane? How are they allowed to sell it to Syria?
IWMBH wrote:Isn't there a lot of US/EU technology in this plane? How are they allowed to sell it to Syria?
PatrickZ80 wrote:IWMBH wrote:Isn't there a lot of US/EU technology in this plane? How are they allowed to sell it to Syria?
No, there isn't. It's so little that it doesn't fall under sanctions.
From what I understood, this plane was designed with Air Koryo as a potential customer in mind. Of course since then the sanctions against North Korea have been raised so much that they can't order this aircraft anymore either, but back then they could. Sanctions against Syria aren't as strict as they are against North Korea, so they can order this aircraft.
Apart from Domestic flights they might fly it to Iran. Syria and Iran have always had strong relationships, so there is demand for air travel between those countries. Iran is another country that could end up buying this aircraft by the way.
SR380 wrote:PatrickZ80 wrote:IWMBH wrote:Isn't there a lot of US/EU technology in this plane? How are they allowed to sell it to Syria?
No, there isn't. It's so little that it doesn't fall under sanctions.
From what I understood, this plane was designed with Air Koryo as a potential customer in mind. Of course since then the sanctions against North Korea have been raised so much that they can't order this aircraft anymore either, but back then they could. Sanctions against Syria aren't as strict as they are against North Korea, so they can order this aircraft.
Apart from Domestic flights they might fly it to Iran. Syria and Iran have always had strong relationships, so there is demand for air travel between those countries. Iran is another country that could end up buying this aircraft by the way.
Do you have any sources about that? Air Koryo currently operates 2 Tu-204 and 2 An-148. Even if the soviet types are sometime flying to Vladivostok International Airport (VVO), they don't have the need for new aircrafts at the moment, nor have the hard currency to pay for it. As much as I would love to see them operates more frame, I doubt that Irkut would take the need of JS into perspective when they went through production.
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hisham wrote:It’s not like the whole country blew up. Damascus, Latakia etc have been spared and have operational airports.
Rajahdhani wrote:There are serious costs ahead, and for such a desperate and tiny airline - the true question is not if the airline will survive with, but rather - on, the type.
The airline will now have dedicate crew (and train them specifically for the type), maintenance (both in-house, and for the major work, rely on Russian MX - as well as work with Irkut to develop their parts network to suit a broadly Syrian operation), and work on the financing of said aircraft. All these increases in costs, do not bode well for a carrier in the current predicament.
Melbourne wrote:Syria as a whole is totally reliant on Russia and Iran. Russia has provided Syria with major hardware and personal through our the war and prior to that also, Syrian operated many Russian built aircraft such as Tu-154, Tu-134, Yak-40 aircraft. A dozen or so new aircraft wouldn't be beyond the scope of the Russian federation for its ally and friends in Syria.
Rajahdhani wrote:Melbourne wrote:Syria as a whole is totally reliant on Russia and Iran. Russia has provided Syria with major hardware and personal through our the war and prior to that also, Syrian operated many Russian built aircraft such as Tu-154, Tu-134, Yak-40 aircraft. A dozen or so new aircraft wouldn't be beyond the scope of the Russian federation for its ally and friends in Syria.
While I do not deny any of what you have stated, my fears in the reliability of Irkut (to produce to scale), especially to an "ally"'s carrier that has a severely diminished ability to repay their debts - and we arrive at a position that is un-enviable, as it is perhaps necessary, for the carrier.
I understand that they may have few (if any) other options, that said - I do not expect the initial roll out to be either smooth, or go well. Let's hope for a positive outcome!
Melbourne wrote:Rajahdhani wrote:Melbourne wrote:Syria as a whole is totally reliant on Russia and Iran. Russia has provided Syria with major hardware and personal through our the war and prior to that also, Syrian operated many Russian built aircraft such as Tu-154, Tu-134, Yak-40 aircraft. A dozen or so new aircraft wouldn't be beyond the scope of the Russian federation for its ally and friends in Syria.
While I do not deny any of what you have stated, my fears in the reliability of Irkut (to produce to scale), especially to an "ally"'s carrier that has a severely diminished ability to repay their debts - and we arrive at a position that is un-enviable, as it is perhaps necessary, for the carrier.
I understand that they may have few (if any) other options, that said - I do not expect the initial roll out to be either smooth, or go well. Let's hope for a positive outcome!
Like I said, UAC is a federal entity in the Russian Federation who have delivered MiG-29s, Su-25s etc and overhauled a bunch of Syrian jets over the 7 year war not to mention the amount of other hardware that's been funnelled into Syria. Syrian air itself is the sole operator between Moscow and Damascus. The Russian government would provide these aircraft is what I am trying to say here, don't forget Syrian had 10 or so An-148s on order before the Ukraine crisis itself and that's when Russia stopped an-148 production from Ulyanovsk.
Scorpius wrote:Melbourne wrote:Rajahdhani wrote:
While I do not deny any of what you have stated, my fears in the reliability of Irkut (to produce to scale), especially to an "ally"'s carrier that has a severely diminished ability to repay their debts - and we arrive at a position that is un-enviable, as it is perhaps necessary, for the carrier.
I understand that they may have few (if any) other options, that said - I do not expect the initial roll out to be either smooth, or go well. Let's hope for a positive outcome!
Like I said, UAC is a federal entity in the Russian Federation who have delivered MiG-29s, Su-25s etc and overhauled a bunch of Syrian jets over the 7 year war not to mention the amount of other hardware that's been funnelled into Syria. Syrian air itself is the sole operator between Moscow and Damascus. The Russian government would provide these aircraft is what I am trying to say here, don't forget Syrian had 10 or so An-148s on order before the Ukraine crisis itself and that's when Russia stopped an-148 production from Ulyanovsk.
I'm sorry, I think you've made a mistake somewhere. I have not heard about the production of An-148 in Ulyanovsk. The an-148 was produced at the aviation plant in Voronezh (I worked there from 2006 to 2011). And in Ulyanovsk was made during the Soviet Union the Antonov An-124. Now this enterprise "Aviastar-SP", which is mainly engaged in the production of Tu-204, Il-76 various modifications and maintenance of airworthiness An-124.
MalcolmInTheMoM wrote:It's nice to hear that a Russian aircraft program as modern as this one is putting another order on the books, but Syrian airlines aren't strangers to Russian frames. Nothing will really grab anyone's attention until they can sell some planes to airlines in larger Western countries. What sucks is that the likelihood of this happening is minimal (at best) because politics will get in the way. So while the MC-21 is an intriguing plane for me I'll probably never see it in person (let alone have the chance to fly on one).
SR380 wrote:Some update about this possible order. It might be for up to 15 to 20 aircrafts, according to Forbes.
Where would they fly to?
They also mentioned that they wished to stay with Airbus, but can not due to sanctions.
Earliest deliveries could be in 2022.
https://fr.sputniknews.com/amp/internat ... us-russie/
Blerg wrote:SR380 wrote:Some update about this possible order. It might be for up to 15 to 20 aircrafts, according to Forbes.
Where would they fly to?
They also mentioned that they wished to stay with Airbus, but can not due to sanctions.
Earliest deliveries could be in 2022.
https://fr.sputniknews.com/amp/internat ... us-russie/
They are probably expecting to resume normal operations after the war. Also, they wouldn't get all of them at the same time but it would take several years to get the 15 aircraft.
SR380 wrote:Blerg wrote:SR380 wrote:Some update about this possible order. It might be for up to 15 to 20 aircrafts, according to Forbes.
Where would they fly to?
They also mentioned that they wished to stay with Airbus, but can not due to sanctions.
Earliest deliveries could be in 2022.
https://fr.sputniknews.com/amp/internat ... us-russie/
They are probably expecting to resume normal operations after the war. Also, they wouldn't get all of them at the same time but it would take several years to get the 15 aircraft.
Their current fleet is 6 A320 (2 grounded) 1 A340 and 2 ATR. The Il-76 and Tu-134 are used for the government. Talking even about 12, that's double the capacity. Such a huge cap.