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LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:23 pm

Effective Jan 2, 2019 LATAM will increase its flights to MEL from 3x to 5x week.

LA805 SCL 12:45 MEL 17:30+1 13456 789
LA804 MEL 20:10 SCL 19:05 24567 789

Flights are timed to offer immediate connections to/fr EZE & GRU.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:25 pm

Great news, I've heard the route is doing really well in both directions and that the intention of the airline is to reach daily flights by the end of 2019.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:42 pm

Hi DCAJet , slightly off topic, but do you have any info about the fleet status at LA re the RR engine issues?
Did some of the inactive Dreamliners returned to service recentely?
And what happened to the second 777 that was coming to cover the 789? Is it flying for LA already?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:08 pm

They also mentioned a possibility of flights from Brazil to Australia, would this be possible on current equipment? I know that Rio is one of the cities targeted by Project Sunrise, but could the LA 787s or JJ A350s make it?
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:25 pm

Short answer: not with any meaningful pax/cargo load.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:34 pm

Gonzalo wrote:
Hi DCAJet , slightly off topic, but do you have any info about the fleet status at LA re the RR engine issues?
Did some of the inactive Dreamliners returned to service recentely?
And what happened to the second 777 that was coming to cover the 789? Is it flying for LA already?
Thanks in advance.

Rgds.
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Not from what I have already shared on here - on different threads. I don't think any of the grounded 787s have returned to service, they are stored either at VCV, SCL or AUH. I know 2 777s have arrived at SCL and at least one is already flying to IPC.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:45 pm

Nice to see them adding 789 routes during such tumultuous times!
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:51 pm

dcajet wrote:
Gonzalo wrote:
Hi DCAJet , slightly off topic, but do you have any info about the fleet status at LA re the RR engine issues?
Did some of the inactive Dreamliners returned to service recentely?
And what happened to the second 777 that was coming to cover the 789? Is it flying for LA already?
Thanks in advance.

Rgds.
G.


Not from what I have already shared on here - on different threads. I don't think any of the grounded 787s have returned to service, they are stored either at VCV, SCL or AUH. I know 2 777s have arrived at SCL and at least one is already flying to IPC.


Ok, thanks. I was a little surprised with the additional flights to Melbourne considering the situation with the 787.

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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:21 am

Those additional flights are due to January, when the grounded 787 are supposed to start flying again, according to Enrique Cueto.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:46 am

I am curious about why MEL, not SYD, is LATAM's gateway. Business ties?
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:16 am

SFOThinker wrote:
I am curious about why MEL, not SYD, is LATAM's gateway. Business ties?


LA services both MEL and SYD, LA flies to SYD daily via AKL, there is currently a JV with QF in place, with QF operating non-stop SYD-SCL.

It makes sense for LA to tap into MEL's growing demand for Sth America services, with this increase evident of that.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:17 am

SFOThinker wrote:
I am curious about why MEL, not SYD, is LATAM's gateway. Business ties?


SYD is daily, though still via AKL and LA codeshare with QF on its 4-5 weekly 744 SYD-SCL service. I am surprised SYD hasn’t been delinked from AKL however.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:22 am

Hey guys,
The Brazilian speculation is new to me but it's definitely an untapped market.
The extra Melbourne flights are no surprise as I believe that the Melbourne-South America market is booming.
One little note slightly associated with this topic : Aerolineas Argentinas is supposedly looking at resuming flights to Sydney in the medium/long term. This will create new, albeit small, competition to LATAM/Qantas for the Australia-South America market.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:35 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey guys,
The Brazilian speculation is new to me but it's definitely an untapped market.
The extra Melbourne flights are no surprise as I believe that the Melbourne-South America market is booming.
One little note slightly associated with this topic : Aerolineas Argentinas is supposedly looking at resuming flights to Sydney in the medium/long term. This will create new, albeit small, competition to LATAM/Qantas for the Australia-South America market.
Cheers,
Bunumuring


NZ is already providing competition to LA/QF with up to 6x w AKL-EZE this coming summer. AR codeshares with NZ but, as you said the airline is looking at resuming services with its own metal in the medium term, once the next long haul fleet has been announced - expected by end of this year.

I believe that there is a large South American diaspora in the MEL area that feeds the LATAM flight.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:43 pm

The travel sections of the Melbourne newspapers have also been running regular features on Santiago & Buenos Aries, Columbia has also been getting a decent run. South & Central America is becoming a popular holiday destination here
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:30 pm

A LATAM employee has told in a Chilean forum that a 3d aussie destination will be added in the mid-term, and bookings for the new TLV are doing quite well ex-Chile
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:32 pm

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A LATAM employee has told in a Chilean forum that a 3d aussie destination will be added in the mid-term, and bookings for the new TLV are doing quite well ex-Chile


So, BNE
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:32 pm

AsiaTravel wrote:
DominoxX wrote:
A LATAM employee has told in a Chilean forum that a 3d aussie destination will be added in the mid-term, and bookings for the new TLV are doing quite well ex-Chile


So, BNE


or PER, mining industry shared with Chile..
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:41 pm

Will Latam open a LIM-AKL-SYD or MEL-AKL- LIM route in the future? LIM certainly would cover northern South America and Central America for connections and perhaps Mexico depending on timings of flights.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:00 pm

DominoxX wrote:
AsiaTravel wrote:
DominoxX wrote:
A LATAM employee has told in a Chilean forum that a 3d aussie destination will be added in the mid-term, and bookings for the new TLV are doing quite well ex-Chile


So, BNE


or PER, mining industry shared with Chile..


No way it will be PER. Geography do not allow PER-South America to be feasible as it overflies all of Australia east coast. On the long run they should look at doing:

daily SCL-MEL LA 789
2 daily SCL-SYD (789 from LA and QF complementing services, once QF replaces 744 with 789)
1 dailySCL-AKL-BNE.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:29 pm

So we will soon have the following service between South America and Australia/New Zealand?

QF - year round 4 weekly SYD-SCL-SYD
NZ - year round 5 weekly AKL-EZE-AKL
LA - year round daily SCL-AKL-SYD-AKL-SCL
LA - year round 5 weekly SCL-MEL-SCL
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:57 pm

B752OS wrote:
So we will soon have the following service between South America and Australia/New Zealand?

QF - year round 4 weekly SYD-SCL-SYD
NZ - year round 5 weekly AKL-EZE-AKL
LA - year round daily SCL-AKL-SYD-AKL-SCL
LA - year round 5 weekly SCL-MEL-SCL


Be interesting to see what QF do when the 744s are retired. And equally longer term, once NZ moves to daily - how many are they over the peak? Do they then add anouther route? LIM,GRU?

I’d be surprised to see LA in BNE, but could be wrong, I’d have thought LA/QF would be putting a lot of pressure on NZ who have reported 40% of traffic is ex-AU.
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:30 pm

winGl3t wrote:
DominoxX wrote:
AsiaTravel wrote:

So, BNE


or PER, mining industry shared with Chile..


No way it will be PER. Geography do not allow PER-South America to be feasible as it overflies all of Australia east coast. On the long run they should look at doing:

daily SCL-MEL LA 789
2 daily SCL-SYD (789 from LA and QF complementing services, once QF replaces 744 with 789)
1 dailySCL-AKL-BNE.


Actually, EZE-PER or SCL-PER are quite direct and almost the same distance (~10% longer than SYD). Trouble is, the direct route goes over the South Pole. No way any regulatory agency would OK that flight.

Norwegian holds the authority to do EZE-PER as well as EZE-JNB. How about an EZE-JNB-PER? If 5th freedoms are granted on all segments it should be a winner: Argentina currently has no direct link to South Africa and needs one since SA withdrew the service in 2015; it seems like Perth is a suburb of Johannesburg these days with so many South Africans living there. A good low cost competition would be welcome on the route.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:34 pm

I don't believe in a 3rd Aussie destination, not anytime soon. It's a huge surprise that they're expanding to a 5th weekly flight on this section since the load factor haven't been that great latelly, around 60-75%. During the summer it reached peaks of 88%. But as we know, airlines are not only pax, but also cargo, which means they're doing well. Also, the ticket price may can cover the load factor, ~US1300.
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:46 pm

kriskim wrote:
SFOThinker wrote:
I am curious about why MEL, not SYD, is LATAM's gateway. Business ties?


LA services both MEL and SYD, LA flies to SYD daily via AKL, there is currently a JV with QF in place, with QF operating non-stop SYD-SCL.

It makes sense for LA to tap into MEL's growing demand for Sth America services, with this increase evident of that.


Further to this, flying in from Sth Americas, MEL is (only just slightly) closer, it is cheaper to operate from, no curfews and has comparable connection capacity to the rest of Australia.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:37 am

How about like ADL?
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:53 am

thgsr08 wrote:
I don't believe in a 3rd Aussie destination, not anytime soon. It's a huge surprise that they're expanding to a 5th weekly flight on this section since the load factor haven't been that great latelly, around 60-75%. During the summer it reached peaks of 88%. But as we know, airlines are not only pax, but also cargo, which means they're doing well. Also, the ticket price may can cover the load factor, ~US1300.


It is the Southern Hemisphere winter so it’s not surprising loads are lower atm. Are these additional flights year round initially?

As for BNE I’d imagine SYD will get some non stop flights eventually maybe not daily but they could then extend the AKL flight to BNE on the days it doesn’t go to SYD and grow from there.

c933103 wrote:
How about like ADL?


To small, a third destination would be BNE, PER is a stretch, I couldn’t see them being allowed to fly over the pole, and how big is Western Australia to South America traffic? And PER wouldn’t fit in with the AKL schedule to do AKL-PER.
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:21 am

The third destination could also be a tag on. PER/MEL/SCL?
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The third destination could also be a tag on. PER/MEL/SCL?


Industry seems to be moving away from tag ons except QR who use it to access rights eg DOH-SYD-CBR. Does LA show an appetite for tag ons else where beyond AKL?

Maybe move SYD to non-Stop and do SCL-AKL-BNE?
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:07 am

smi0006 wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:
The third destination could also be a tag on. PER/MEL/SCL?


Industry seems to be moving away from tag ons except QR who use it to access rights eg DOH-SYD-CBR. Does LA show an appetite for tag ons else where beyond AKL?

Maybe move SYD to non-Stop and do SCL-AKL-BNE?


I can't really tell from their map, it is a challenge to use. I do recall though that they operate, or used to operate, a tag to FRA from MAD with the 787. Lots of trip reports on it. https://onemileatatime.com/review-lan-b ... class-787/
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:17 am

Its great LATAM is ramping up Melbourne, could we ever see maybe a Australia to Mexico service either with QF or Aeromexico would there be enough business or tourism to open up such a route?
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:20 am

smi0006 wrote:
YYZatcboy wrote:
The third destination could also be a tag on. PER/MEL/SCL?


Industry seems to be moving away from tag ons except QR who use it to access rights eg DOH-SYD-CBR. Does LA show an appetite for tag ons else where beyond AKL?

Maybe move SYD to non-Stop and do SCL-AKL-BNE?


LA also offers daily SCL-MAD-FRA, SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-PUJ-MIA(seasonal). But they also tried SCL-LIM-IAD, didn't work, GRU-JFK-YYZ, also a failure.

SCL-AKL-SYD is a traditional route and I don't see a problem stoping in AKL for a few hours - actually numbers show the success of this choice. I've flown this route twice back in 2010 on A343 and the stop was a relief for my legs hahaha. So, I wound't expect further changes on South America - Australasia routes, not in a while and not only because of demand but also because they're the most affected airline by the RR engine problem and their initial plane was to replace 767 operations with the 787 (they actually retired 767 from LATAM Chile schedule before these problems emerged), if I'm not mistaken, there's not more than 6 787-9 to be delivered.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:00 pm

Well, definitely good news! As a Sydneysider, it improves the prospects of the daily LATAM tag flights continuing if not expanding in future. If I were to have picked one airline that would have pulled out of Sydney by now, it would have been LATAM considering recent events but this is certainly impressive and good news for the aviation geeks here in SYD. Aerolineas took off back in 2014 ( along with my 2 most favourite aircraft to grace Aussie skies: the UA 744 and the VA346) which made me feel that long and narrow markets didn't work well into SYD with the intimidating QF presence. But I guess being one of the biggest Oneworld hubs certainly has its benefits, probably a factor that has drawn LATAM to the market
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:01 pm

Well, definitely good news! As a Sydneysider, it improves the prospects of the daily LATAM tag flights continuing if not expanding in future. If I were to have picked one airline that would have pulled out of Sydney by now, it would have been LATAM considering recent events but this is certainly impressive and good news for the aviation geeks here in SYD. Aerolineas took off back in 2014 ( along with my 2 most favourite aircraft to grace Aussie skies: the UA 744 and the VA346) which made me feel that long and narrow markets didn't work well into SYD with the intimidating QF presence. But I guess being one of the biggest Oneworld hubs certainly has its benefits, probably a factor that has drawn LATAM to the market
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:18 pm

Flyingsottsman wrote:
... could we ever see maybe a Australia to Mexico service either with QF or Aeromexico would there be enough business or tourism to open up such a route?

IIRC, MEX is too hot and high - MEX's current longest flight (MEX - NRT) is more than 1,000 mi shorter than SYD - MEX would be, making it less likely that QF (or AM) could make any Australia - MEX service viable. That being said, MEX - AKL should be possible - MEX - AKL (6,809 mi) is shorter than MEX - NRT (7,004 mi), which is operated by AM and NH on 787's.

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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:18 pm

Hey guys,
The Lima-Australia flight has been hinted at by Avianca in the past according to an old a.net thread. I also remember LATAM and Air NZ were speculated to have had some interest in Lima-Australia/NZ respectively.
I know a few people who have flown LATAM transtasman due to the cheapness of the tickets but every time I've considered them for flights between Sydney and Auckland, the horrendous departure time in Auckland has pushed me over to Virgin Australia, Air NZ, Qantas or Emirates.
I think nonstop to Sydney would definitely work for LATAM. A service to Brisbane via Auckland (or even Christchurch perhaps?) would work too a few times a week at least. I can't imagine any other cities of interest in Australia/NZ however.
Eventually I can see LATAM extending their Australian services eastward, to take in São Paulo and / or RIo to tap into their Brazilian base. How about a Brazil-Santiago-Sydney service?
And for equipment, I could imagine LATAM eventually ordering and flying 777-8s or even -9s on the route, taking advantage of the larger passenger, and importantly freight, capacity over the Dreamliner 9s. Maybe even A350s already ordered and being delivered, but they are I believe only a small step up in capacity and performance.
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:42 pm

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I am surprised SYD hasn’t been delinked from AKL however.

Me too - I could see a 3x weekly dedicated AKL flight, and a 4x weekly dedicated SYD flight (with the SYD flight operating on the days that the QF non-stop SYD - SCL service doesn't operate on). Separately, both LA and NZ are recording strong demand on their AKL - South America routes, which is promising (see article below).

See: https://centreforaviation.com/members/d ... ets-433420.

An interesting point will be whether LA makes AKL stand-alone, or adds a tag elsewhere. BNE would be logical, given the (AFAIK) big South American populace there. PER could be another option, in a JV with QF, given that QF has dropped PER - AKL, and PER has mining ties with South America. IMO, AKL will be stand-alone.

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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:04 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I am surprised SYD hasn’t been delinked from AKL however.

Me too - I could see a 3x weekly dedicated AKL flight, and a 4x weekly dedicated SYD flight (with the SYD flight operating on the days that the QF non-stop SYD - SCL service doesn't operate on). Separately, both LA and NZ are recording strong demand on their AKL - South America routes, which is promising (see article below).

See: https://centreforaviation.com/members/d ... ets-433420.

An interesting point will be whether LA makes AKL stand-alone, or adds a tag elsewhere. BNE would be logical, given the (AFAIK) big South American populace there. PER could be another option, in a JV with QF, given that QF has dropped PER - AKL, and PER has mining ties with South America. IMO, AKL will be stand-alone.

Cheers,

C.


Why would you split this total profitable daily flight into two non daily risky flights?It makes no sense. It's worse for travellers between SYD-AKL (normally the cheapest way to get to each-other is this flight operated by LA), it's worse for South Americans and Aussies travelling between continents, it's not good for the airline since the flight crew have to stay longer at destination (AKL and/or SYD), it makes the ticket more expensive, anyway, makes no sense at all. Or make it daily to each AKL and SYD or keep it the way it is.

LA and QF have codeshared flight just to avoid this kind of unnecessary flights, so BNE, PER, CBR, OOG, LIM, MVD, EZE, GRU, MEX, GIG and etc won't need to get served by an exclusive flight. It's costly, demand shows no necessity of these flights and like I said before, there's no aircraft to do so.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:00 pm

Here's an old article regarding BNE:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/lan-conside...n-boeing-787-9
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:56 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
... could we ever see maybe a Australia to Mexico service either with QF or Aeromexico would there be enough business or tourism to open up such a route?

IIRC, MEX is too hot and high - MEX's current longest flight (MEX - NRT) is more than 1,000 mi shorter than SYD - MEX would be, making it less likely that QF (or AM) could make any Australia - MEX service viable. That being said, MEX - AKL should be possible - MEX - AKL (6,809 mi) is shorter than MEX - NRT (7,004 mi), which is operated by AM and NH on 787's.

Cheers,

C.

Not with NZ's config or 789 as both NRT flights are done on 788 with significant load penalties (around 130 pax+bag is all they can do for NH and I guess it won't be too dissimilar to AM). Note none of AM's non-stop 789 flight from MEX (IIRC) is longer than 11.5 hours.

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Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:08 am

thgsr08 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I am surprised SYD hasn’t been delinked from AKL however.

Me too - I could see a 3x weekly dedicated AKL flight, and a 4x weekly dedicated SYD flight (with the SYD flight operating on the days that the QF non-stop SYD - SCL service doesn't operate on). Separately, both LA and NZ are recording strong demand on their AKL - South America routes, which is promising (see article below).

See: https://centreforaviation.com/members/d ... ets-433420.

An interesting point will be whether LA makes AKL stand-alone, or adds a tag elsewhere. BNE would be logical, given the (AFAIK) big South American populace there. PER could be another option, in a JV with QF, given that QF has dropped PER - AKL, and PER has mining ties with South America. IMO, AKL will be stand-alone.

Cheers,

C.


Why would you split this total profitable daily flight into two non daily risky flights?It makes no sense. It's worse for travellers between SYD-AKL (normally the cheapest way to get to each-other is this flight operated by LA), it's worse for South Americans and Aussies travelling between continents, it's not good for the airline since the flight crew have to stay longer at destination (AKL and/or SYD), it makes the ticket more expensive, anyway, makes no sense at all. Or make it daily to each AKL and SYD or keep it the way it is.

LA and QF have codeshared flight just to avoid this kind of unnecessary flights, so BNE, PER, CBR, OOG, LIM, MVD, EZE, GRU, MEX, GIG and etc won't need to get served by an exclusive flight. It's costly, demand shows no necessity of these flights and like I said before, there's no aircraft to do so.


Remember QF/LA codeshare or is it a JV? QF will retire the 744’s with 789’s most likely taking over the route to SCL and increase to daily or close to, overall capacity will remain reasonably flat however, I’m not sure what is risky about LA running a few days non stop SYD-SCL and via AKL the others keeping AKL daily with a tag on to BNE, yes cabin crew would layover an extra day in SYD unless they went daily non stop. Non stop SYD has been talked about for years, then QF started so LA haven’t needed to do anything yet.
 
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:40 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
thgsr08 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Me too - I could see a 3x weekly dedicated AKL flight, and a 4x weekly dedicated SYD flight (with the SYD flight operating on the days that the QF non-stop SYD - SCL service doesn't operate on). Separately, both LA and NZ are recording strong demand on their AKL - South America routes, which is promising (see article below).

See: https://centreforaviation.com/members/d ... ets-433420.

An interesting point will be whether LA makes AKL stand-alone, or adds a tag elsewhere. BNE would be logical, given the (AFAIK) big South American populace there. PER could be another option, in a JV with QF, given that QF has dropped PER - AKL, and PER has mining ties with South America. IMO, AKL will be stand-alone.

Cheers,

C.


Why would you split this total profitable daily flight into two non daily risky flights?It makes no sense. It's worse for travellers between SYD-AKL (normally the cheapest way to get to each-other is this flight operated by LA), it's worse for South Americans and Aussies travelling between continents, it's not good for the airline since the flight crew have to stay longer at destination (AKL and/or SYD), it makes the ticket more expensive, anyway, makes no sense at all. Or make it daily to each AKL and SYD or keep it the way it is.

LA and QF have codeshared flight just to avoid this kind of unnecessary flights, so BNE, PER, CBR, OOG, LIM, MVD, EZE, GRU, MEX, GIG and etc won't need to get served by an exclusive flight. It's costly, demand shows no necessity of these flights and like I said before, there's no aircraft to do so.


Remember QF/LA codeshare or is it a JV? QF will retire the 744’s with 789’s most likely taking over the route to SCL and increase to daily or close to, overall capacity will remain reasonably flat however, I’m not sure what is risky about LA running a few days non stop SYD-SCL and via AKL the others keeping AKL daily with a tag on to BNE, yes cabin crew would layover an extra day in SYD unless they went daily non stop. Non stop SYD has been talked about for years, then QF started so LA haven’t needed to do anything yet.


Well, I see your point and I'd really like having a daily flight SCL-SYD/SCL-AKL nonstop.
The problem here to spliting AKL/SYD is that the airline will drop passagers choice. Instead of flying the day they want, they will be stuck in days the airline offers them to fly and actually due to actual schedule, it's a retrocess. A 2h stop in AKL may be a problem to some but the airline manage to get all the demand and fly a bigger aircraft, such as the 789 with their really high-seating configuration (303 seats). But I agree with you, a nonstop fight is always the best way.
QF will soon move SYD-SCL to a 789, probably on a daily flight an it'll be - as always - codeshared with LA, making it 14 weekly between both cities.
I'm wondering if QF will have a different seat config for some of its 789, they can make more money with it, though.
Btw, I'm not sure if they are in a JV or Codeshare only.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:04 am

QF will soon move SYD-SCL to a 789, probably on a daily flight an it'll be - as always - codeshared with LA, making it 14 weekly between both cities.
I'm wondering if QF will have a different seat config for some of its 789, they can make more money with it, though.

Depends on what you mean by "soon". QF don't have enough B789s on order [yet] to include SCL, in fact I would expect SCL [& JNB] to be the last B744ER routes [more or less]

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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:05 pm

Mistral1 wrote:
Those additional flights are due to January, when the grounded 787 are supposed to start flying again, according to Enrique Cueto.


Per LATAM's CFO, only six 787s (out of 24) remain grounded due to Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 problems, down from the peak of 13 grounded 787s in Q2. The airline expects to have no aircraft grounded by year-end.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:35 pm

Pity there is no joined up LON > South America > SYD/MEL service. I just did a 'what if' on LANTAM's website for February next year in J. It only offers connections to SCL from LHR (no direct service) via MAD or GRU and the cost was over £10,000 (return). It might be an interesting way to go, but I am not likely to book it anytime soon.
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Re: LATAM adds more flights to Melbourne, Australia

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:55 pm

vhtje wrote:
Pity there is no joined up LON > South America > SYD/MEL service. I just did a 'what if' on LANTAM's website for February next year in J. It only offers connections to SCL from LHR (no direct service) via MAD or GRU and the cost was over £10,000 (return). It might be an interesting way to go, but I am not likely to book it anytime soon.


You could do it for less but not on LATAM or BA. But... you could try one of Norwegian's day time LGW-EZE services and then connect within 3 hrs to Air New Zealand's EZE-AKL flights and from AKL you can connect to any major business center in Australia.
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