Revised Lufthansa livery fleet thread

trijetsonly · Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:34 pm

BREECH wrote:
ezragollan0 wrote:
https://twitter.com/AeronauticsO/status/1070857292353019905

Lufthansa's first A380 in the new colors has been rolled out in Guangzhou. The aircraft, D-AIMD, is currently undergoing maintenance checks before heading back to Germany.

Wait, wait, wait... GUANGZHOU!?!? WHY was LH painting their plane in GUANGZHOU? What happened to their famous Lufthansa Technik? Can't they throw a bucket of paint on an airliner anymore?

Two reasons:
- A380 Wingspan
- German environmental protection laws

FW200 · Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:36 pm

Hi,

tommy1808 wrote:
There are just two possible reasons to put paint with a design on an aircraft:

a) giving an attractive look that help business in one way or another.
b) It is cheaper.

Either it is attractive, and people disliking it just have their taste out of whack, or it saves LH money.

In my opinion there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be possible to combine both of the aims cited above.
There is no "either...or", if it's done in the right way, there can be a "...as well as...".

DominikR83 wrote:
2. Why no yellow? I talked to a lot of people here in germany, all of them no airline/plane enthusiasts.And all of them told me that for them the signature color of LH was yellow. (...)
With the new livery they have given up their signature color. Even if only the crane and circle around it would have stayed yellow that would have been enough.

Yes indeed. Somebody had posted this image at the beginning of the year when the discussion had started:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1375315&start=700#p20145583

Reduce the size of the circle and the crane, so that the whole circle fits into the vertical stabilizer and it would be a pretty superb livery.

But since Carsten Spohr has decided to drop the yellow at all costs, because Ryanair uses yellow on a blue tailfin, this won't happen, at least as long as the current CEO is in office, because it would mean to admit to have made a mistake, so they will continue to get rid of the yellow, because white is soooo minimalistic and it sends a feeling of PREMIUM towards anyone watching it... :white:

tommy1808 · Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:41 pm

FW200 wrote:
Hi,
tommy1808 wrote:
There are just two possible reasons to put paint with a design on an aircraft:

a) giving an attractive look that help business in one way or another.
b) It is cheaper.

Either it is attractive, and people disliking it just have their taste out of whack, or it saves LH money.

In my opinion there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be possible to combine both of the aims cited above.
There is no "either...or", if it's done in the right way, there can be a "...as well as...".

Well you can try... It just doesn't work all to often, but I'd think that is what they are trying to do?

Best regards
Thomas

Braybuddy · Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:22 pm

Looking forward to seeing pics of the A380 in the air. It will look stunning with those enormous white wings.

BREECH · Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
BREECH wrote:
ezragollan0 wrote:
https://twitter.com/AeronauticsO/status/1070857292353019905

Lufthansa's first A380 in the new colors has been rolled out in Guangzhou. The aircraft, D-AIMD, is currently undergoing maintenance checks before heading back to Germany.

Wait, wait, wait... GUANGZHOU!?!? WHY was LH painting their plane in GUANGZHOU? What happened to their famous Lufthansa Technik? Can't they throw a bucket of paint on an airliner anymore?

Two reasons:
- A380 Wingspan
- German environmental protection laws

Okay... two things that are worth of attention here. One, so it's okay to paint 5 million cars in Germany but not one plane? And two, it's more environmental to burn 100 tons of fuel to fly a 500-ton aircraft all the way to another hemisphere to get it painted AND BACK?

Airbus747 · Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:33 pm

I recall LH published some material about the livery change in a few magazine specials across Europe and what I remember reading was along the lines of "...the yellow is not disappearing. It's actually more important to LH's identity and therefore will be used subtly applied to all those premium and special experiences during a flight...", by which I understand the cabin interiors, some of the door graphics, the boarding passes, the airline desks, the inflight magazines, menus, etc. So it's just a shift, showing how "precious" the yellow is - at least according to their designers' narrative.

OneSexyL1011 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:58 am

Goodbye wrote:
OneSexyL1011 wrote:
To think they paid somebody 100's of thousands of dollars, if not millions to design this livery.

I could have done it for a tenth of the cost, using Microsoft paint and saved them the time and money for this abomination.

Everyone seems to forget that a rebranding is so much more than just the livery.

Could you have provided a complete brand overhaul and strategy in MS Paint?

Perhaps you should take a look below at what actually went into the rebranding:

https://www.underconsideration.com/bran ... _house.php

Yeah, I probably could have.

DominikR83 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:14 pm

787Driver wrote:
DominikR83 wrote:
Why should they do it in Frankfurt when the same can be done in Guangzhou for less money? If LH can save money without losing quality..why not?

Regarding the delivery: It is not that bad, but there are two things that i don`t like/don`t understand

1.: Why any new livery at all? It wasn`t really necessary.The former one still looked good and timeless.
2. Why no yellow? I talked to a lot of people here in germany, all of them no airline/plane enthusiasts.And all of them told me that for them the signature color of LH was yellow.
There where so many airlines which do have blue but htis sort of dark yellow is almost unique and every child and adult in germany where able to identify a LH plane or LH checkin counter from miles away. With the new livery they have given up their signature color. Even if only the crane and circle around it would have stayed yellow that would have been enough.

No they haven’t. In fact they widely use yellow in the terminals, boarding cards, uniforms, website, etc. It’s only gone from the livery except for the welcome sign next to the entry doors.

Most of the terminal appearance will change as well.I have seen already some changes at FRA,where the yellow with the dark blue crane on it has been replace with the dark blue and the silver crane on it.
Currently not that much but i guess it will change,it just takes time cause it is expensive.
As per LH the yellow will disappear almost complete and only used very rare.(e.g. as color blob on their uniforms)

cedars747 · Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:34 pm

Normally, one changes to improve, and with this it seems that Lufthansa changed for the worse. Very ridiculous

EChid · Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:11 pm

I'm not sure what people aren't understanding about "it's cheaper." Why paint in China? It's cheaper. Yep, they probably could have painted it in Germany. But China was cheaper. Why not add a third colour? It's cheaper. Yep, the could have added a third colour, but this is cheaper.

How many times do we have to explain to people that the principle drive behind this change was to save money, not to dramatically shift their brand in one particular direction?

Vimanav · Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:00 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
BREECH wrote:
ezragollan0 wrote:
https://twitter.com/AeronauticsO/status/1070857292353019905

Lufthansa's first A380 in the new colors has been rolled out in Guangzhou. The aircraft, D-AIMD, is currently undergoing maintenance checks before heading back to Germany.

Wait, wait, wait... GUANGZHOU!?!? WHY was LH painting their plane in GUANGZHOU? What happened to their famous Lufthansa Technik? Can't they throw a bucket of paint on an airliner anymore?

Two reasons:
- A380 Wingspan
- German environmental protection laws

Ok whats the bet we get a roll out with one side at least reading "Luthansa" or "Lufthana"

trijetsonly · Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:05 pm

Vimanav wrote:
trijetsonly wrote:
BREECH wrote:
Wait, wait, wait... GUANGZHOU!?!? WHY was LH painting their plane in GUANGZHOU? What happened to their famous Lufthansa Technik? Can't they throw a bucket of paint on an airliner anymore?

Two reasons:
- A380 Wingspan
- German environmental protection laws

Ok whats the bet we get a roll out with one side at least reading "Luthansa" or "Lufthana"

The joke would be perfect if they make it "Lusthansa" :lol:

jghealey · Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:45 pm

I don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal of LH removing the yellow. Personally I think it looks much better now and obviously it's got nothing to do with costs etc.

sixtyseven · Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:35 pm

Great livery. Simple. Classy. And it’s a unique blue.

340-600 is fugly; it’s like they force fed a DC-8-70. Probably make a wonderful fois gras.

biggi3001 · Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:35 am

Here an Video of the Arrival at Munich Airport https://youtu.be/cfkzLWMSYU0

Miami · Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:53 am

Got their first A380 (D-AIMD) in new livery landing at MIA earlier today. LH460 (MUC-MIA)

DABYT · Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:12 pm

Just an update on the types that can be seen in the new livery:

A388

B748

B744

A346

A359

A333

A321

A320neo

A320

A319

CRJ900

MD-11

Still missing: A343, B777, E190, E195

trijetsonly · Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:56 am

SQ773 · Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:16 pm

Hi there !

I know that depending on the light, each deep blue color looks different on the tail, but still, I can see 3 different tones out there. Does anybody know which is going to be the definitive blue? The original from D-ABVA ( 748i ), the one from D-ABVM ( 744 ), the one from D-AIMD ( 380 )...?

DABYT · Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:12 am

SQ773 wrote:
Hi there !

I know that depending on the light, each deep blue color looks different on the tail, but still, I can see 3 different tones out there. Does anybody know which is going to be the definitive blue? The original from D-ABVA ( 748i ), the one from D-ABVM ( 744 ), the one from D-AIMD ( 380 )...?

D-ABVM features the definite color. And there are just two tones, the first that was too dark and the final blue.
By the way D-ABVA was Lufthansa’s first 744 which is already scrapped. I guess you meant D-ABYA.

SQ773 · Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:47 am

DABYT wrote:
By the way D-ABVA was Lufthansa’s first 744 which is already scrapped. I guess you meant D-ABYA.

Oops, yes, correct ! :boxedin:

So, the feeling of seeing then 3 or 4 difefrent tones is just an optical effect, right?

DABYT · Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:21 am

SQ773 wrote:
So, the feeling of seeing then 3 or 4 difefrent tones is just an optical effect, right?

Yep, correct

Braybuddy · Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:15 pm

SQ773 wrote:
So, the feeling of seeing then 3 or 4 difefrent tones is just an optical effect, right?

DABYT wrote:
Yep, correct

At least it's still blue. The new Aer Lingus tail is supposed to be green, yet appears blue in some photographs:

A321Lufthansa · Fri May 24, 2019 10:18 pm

So LH claimed that the aircrafts with white engines and new seats will be easier to shift from one airline to another. But I really doubt that unique type aircrafts for the group as B763, B772, B744/748 or A380 could leave to another airline. As well as pretty old Swiss’ or Austrian A320s could be shifted to LH. Same stuff about EW A319 and LH A321 with IAE engines. I guess it was not a good idea to claim that the whole fleet could be somehow exchanged throughout the group. Also it will cause a lot of problems with introducing more and more regs and LH will have certainly to revise the existing 2-letter system for example. Just simplifying of exchanging spare parts sounds as an earnest argument.

DABYT · Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:41 pm

Another update on the types that can be seen in the new livery now:

A388

B748

B744

A346

A343

A359

A333

A321neo

A321

A320neo

A320

A319

CRJ900

B777

MD-11

Seems the E190 and E195 won't be repainted.

LHA320 · Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:01 pm

All E195 will move to Air Dolomiti. Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.
There is a good chance both will never feature the new livery...

Airdolomiti · Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:12 pm

LHA320 wrote:
Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.

Interesting. Any ideas as to the potential implications for LCY services?

lalib · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:01 am

The LH livery without the yellow still hasn't grown on me unfortunately. With the new livery the aircraft looks a little incomplete and slightly awkward.
LH old vs new illustrates which livery is more prominent.

Compare what CX has done. New livery is beautiful its got the right proportions and looks complete. Plus CX had a reason to change their livery due to Dragon air now Cathay Dragon - Smart move that had a purpose.

I don't know what reasoning LH had to change its livery. I doubt is down to costs, how much money can be saved by dropping the yellow.

Note: Dont know how to post jpeg on this forum.

kimimm19 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:09 am

LHA320 wrote:
All E195 will move to Air Dolomiti. Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.
There is a good chance both will never feature the new livery...

Given their relationship with LX, they should have enough information to make an informed choice on the a220.

lalib · Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:27 am

EChid wrote:
I'm not sure what people aren't understanding about "it's cheaper." Why paint in China? It's cheaper. Yep, they probably could have painted it in Germany. But China was cheaper. Why not add a third colour? It's cheaper. Yep, the could have added a third colour, but this is cheaper.

How many times do we have to explain to people that the principle drive behind this change was to save money, not to dramatically shift their brand in one particular direction?

How much cheaper to drop the yellow and add more blue to extend to the fuselage per aircraft? Plus the designing, repainting, new advertising, replacing, opportunity cost wasted in management decision and then explaining. All this for what purpose? maybe this will not have an impact on revenue but when a dull boring livery is introduced to "bring down costs" this doesn't create a good impression for the business. i'd be suspicious as to whats next? As I mentioned in another post, CX had a reason they changed Dragon Air to Cathay Dragon. Such a move is understandable they did it for brand recognition that allows Cathay Dragon to use CX's prestige and reputation when flying into China. I didn't like it at first but after I understood it ...........Voila! CX will make more money and they rapidly repainted the fleet of both airlines

What next get rid of the logo on the cutlery on board so that more costs can be saved by sharing cutlery with airlines within the LH Group?

steman · Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:18 am

When will people realise that their opinion of LH new livery is just that? An opinion! A taste. You can argument as much as you want about how bad that the yellow is missing, how better the old livery was but it's just your personal taste. Valid, legit, but just a taste, not a fact. I personally like the new livery very much and I find it way more modern and elegant than the old one. But that's just my opinion. And, apparently, LH's opinion too.

Terrier79 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:12 am

LHA320 wrote:
All E195 will move to Air Dolomiti. Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.
There is a good chance both will never feature the new livery...

Thanks for the insight. If I see it correctly, then there are currently just 3 E195 left with Lufthansa, plus 9 E190. What would they be replaced with if they have to leave the fleet? And will also the E195 of Austrian Airlines be consolidated at Air Dolomiti?

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trijetsonly · Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:26 am

Terrier79 wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
All E195 will move to Air Dolomiti. Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.
There is a good chance both will never feature the new livery...

Thanks for the insight. If I see it correctly, then there are currently just 3 E195 left with Lufthansa, plus 9 E190. What would they be replaced with if they have to leave the fleet? And will also the E195 of Austrian Airlines be consolidated at Air Dolomiti?

The E95 are replaced with A319 from LH.
As someone posted earlier: I wonder what they replace the E90 with to continue to serve LCY.

A321Lufthansa · Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:02 am

D-AIZO came yesterday from repaint, now it's turn of D-AIZP. Does anybody know which name AIZO got?

InnsbruckFlyer · Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:42 am

A321Lufthansa wrote:
D-AIZO came yesterday from repaint, now it's turn of D-AIZP. Does anybody know which name AIZO got?

According to the always-accurate Lufthansa Group Fleet Site, D-AIZO has been repainted with no name.

trijetsonly · Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:08 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
D-AIZO came yesterday from repaint, now it's turn of D-AIZP. Does anybody know which name AIZO got?

Probably none

A321Lufthansa · Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:30 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
D-AIZO came yesterday from repaint, now it's turn of D-AIZP. Does anybody know which name AIZO got?

According to the always-accurate Lufthansa Group Fleet Site, D-AIZO has been repainted with no name.

There are no photos yet, so they may have not updated. Every repainted LH's no-name aircraft gets a name since the introduction of new livery.

LHA320 · Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:23 pm

Terrier79 wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
All E195 will move to Air Dolomiti. Fate of the E190 has to be decided yet.
There is a good chance both will never feature the new livery...

Thanks for the insight. If I see it correctly, then there are currently just 3 E195 left with Lufthansa, plus 9 E190. What would they be replaced with if they have to leave the fleet? And will also the E195 of Austrian Airlines be consolidated at Air Dolomiti?

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Rumor is that the E195 have been transferred due to trade union reasons. But I can't confirm that. The E190 fleet stands at 9 frames, which isn't enough to justify a stand-alone fleet type when the 195 is gone. So, there are several possibilities:

1) the E190 will be moved to EN or OS too and will be kept on the routes now flown

2) All flights except LCY can be flown with other types (CRJ/A319) -> maybe add let LX fly the route under LH code ZRH-FRA-LCY-FRA-ZRH (for example, so it has to be an LH flight, because Swiss is not an EU carrier) or hire WDL with E190 or it (like they do for EW with the Dash-8)

3) buy a new aircraft which will come online years after you had to keep a fleet type of 9 aircraft seems the least favorable choice at the moment

We are trying to reduce fleet types at the moment, there was a press release a while ago, which implemented that. So, the MD-11 will be gone in Q4 2020. The E-Jet will be staffed at OS and EN. Maybe it will be a sole E195 fleet at that time or the E190 will still be there. As I said, there is no decision yet as far as I know.

A321Lufthansa · Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:46 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
D-AIZO came yesterday from repaint, now it's turn of D-AIZP. Does anybody know which name AIZO got?

According to the always-accurate Lufthansa Group Fleet Site, D-AIZO has been repainted with no name.

They’ve updated - Leinfelden-Echterdingen.

InnsbruckFlyer · Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:46 pm

D-AIZX has returned from Ostrava in the new livery, renamed Buxtehude (recycled name from D-AIPA).

A388 · Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:27 pm

Does anyone have a list of all registrations currently wearing the new LH livery?

A388

CarbonFibre · Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:18 pm

A388 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all registrations currently wearing the new LH livery?

A388

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

A388 · Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:25 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
A388 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all registrations currently wearing the new LH livery?

A388

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

Awesome, thanks CarbonFibre. I take it that the blue colored columns are the airplanes wearing the new livery and the yellow ones are still wearing the old livery. Are there still any LH A380's operating out of FRA or has the entire A380 fleet been moved to MUC by now?

A388

CarbonFibre · Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:33 pm

A388 wrote:

Awesome, thanks CarbonFibre. I take it that the blue colored columns are the airplanes wearing the new livery and the yellow ones are still wearing the old livery. Are there still any LH A380's operating out of FRA or has the entire A380 fleet been moved to MUC by now?

A388

There are two shades of blue. Compare AIZC & AIZD.

InnsbruckFlyer · Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:12 pm

A388 wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
A388 wrote:
Does anyone have a list of all registrations currently wearing the new LH livery?

A388

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

Awesome, thanks CarbonFibre. I take it that the blue colored columns are the airplanes wearing the new livery and the yellow ones are still wearing the old livery. Are there still any LH A380's operating out of FRA or has the entire A380 fleet been moved to MUC by now?

A388

Five A380s (MB, MD, ME, MG, and MH) are MUC based. The other nine are FRA based.

InnsbruckFlyer · Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:27 pm

D-AIZY has now also returned from the paint shop, but so far no name has been posted by the LH Fleet Site.

Niklas767 · Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:44 pm

Track the repainting progress of the Lufthansa Group here
https://sites.google.com/view/lh-group- ... gress/home

ewt340 · Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:02 pm

At some of the picture it look quite close to black. And it actually look much better. I think black tail and light silver for the logo would be a nicer combo.

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