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Hawaii airports and aviation 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:09 pm

HA has expanded it's contract with EM (Empire Airlines) to also operate two new ATR 72 freighters in HA's Ohana livery. ... 9ddf4f4daf

"In 1942 Hawaiian became the first U.S. carrier to obtain a cargo certificate." I didn't know that.

Mods: I found the 2017 thread... but not the 2018 thread. Also, please use "Hawaii" as the adjective, not "Hawaiian." That nuance is common practice in Hawaii. "Hawaii man" vs. "Hawaiian man". "Hawaii airline" vs. "Hawaiian airline".
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Re: Hawaii airports and aviation 2018

Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:50 pm

Have cargo ops started yet? I’ve seen them working on those cargo ATRs on the south ramp for the last few weeks.

I learned something the other day with the updated news from WN - the new terminal going in next to gate 6 is going to be the Southwest terminal with 4 gates with ground loading. Do you know if there will be a dedicated check in and TSA checkpoint for them?
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Re: Hawaii airports and aviation 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:45 pm

Cargo ops have started.

I have no definite word about TSA for the new "WN gates" to remote stands at the DH concourse, but I don't expect any new TSA, just a long walk or "take the Wiki".

We can expect interisland tags to LIH and KOA from initial service to HNL and OGG, using RONs and no base in Hawaii.
"He depicted a scenario where a plane arrives one day, spends a day flying inter-island, then returns the next day to the mainland." ... ne-update/

The 7M8's are getting ETOPS for the Hawaii service. ... wer-fares/
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Re: Hawaii airports and aviation 2018

Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:14 pm

Is HA gonna stick with empire for Ohana? I thought buying the operating cert of island air meant they were going to end the contract and do everything themselves?
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Re: Hawaii airports and aviation 2018

Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:20 am

Elliot St. Holdings did acquire WP's AOC, but there's nothing public about what they will actually do with it. Hawaiian Holdings wouldn't have created Elliot St. Holdings, funded (I'm told) the WP bankruptcy conversion from Ch.7 (liquidation) back to Ch.11 (reorg), created an entity that owned the AOC, dealt with all the creditors in Ch.11, and bought the entity that owned the AOC, unless HwnHoldings really wanted a second AOC. ... pId=131627 (bottom right, recent transactions)

My personal opinion: the choice of new ATR 72s for freight was driven by the ability to have EM fly them. Interisland cargo doesn't require hot turns, so HA could have chosen any freighter... but staffing a different type would have taken a months or years. Quick solution: acquire ATRs and outsource to EM.

TMK, all existing ATR freighters are P2F conversions, since the FX order for the ATR 72-600F type is ATR's first production freighter. ... freighter/
ATR 72-600F: seven LD3 containers, or five 88” x 108”, or nine 88” x 62” pallets

Speculation: Elliot St. quietly staffs up, brings the Ohana cargo ops in-house, then brings Ohana pax in-house. HA owns the Ohana by Hawaiian trademark, not HwnHoldings, Elliot St Hldgs, or EM.

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