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Planes clipped wings On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:53 pm

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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:58 pm

Collide is a very strong word for this.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:03 pm

Looks like that is B73G N13720. Was supposed to do UA2746 ORD-CLE according to FR24.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:04 pm

So how many delays on adjacent gates when everyone came to gawk? :)
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:20 pm

UA flight 645 was pushing back from gate C30 when it clipped the wing of UA flight 2746 which was parked at gate C28. Both planes sustained left wing damage. Both planes have been taken out of service and all passengers on those flights have been rebooked.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:22 pm

Live feed of the scene from airport (from a distance)

https://www.facebook.com/FOX10Phoenix/v ... 917218940/
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:23 pm

neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


Yeah well we tend to go with the most dramatic portrayal here on this forum!
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:26 pm

Bad day to be UA
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:26 pm

For those familiar with C30, “pushing back” isn’t exactly the best description. Due to the FAA’s refusal to allow aircraft to push over the non-movement line at ORD (with only a few exceptions), aircraft at C30 push back about 5-10 feet, disconnect, and then must complete a 135-degree turn to power-out of the gate. I’m assuming it was during this maneuver that the contact occurred. AA has a similar procedure out of H18.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:39 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Bad day to be UA



Uhhh, this happens to other carriers as well...
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:41 pm

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So how many delays on adjacent gates when everyone came to gawk? :)



They people in the photo aren't "gawk"-ing...Airstairs were brought to the aircraft and the passengers were directed back into the terminal via walking the ramp. The personnel are there to prevent any one from wandering into the aircraft envelop area or any other part of the ramp where they don't belong.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:43 pm

Judge1310 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Bad day to be UA



Uhhh, this happens to other carriers as well...


Yes it does. But this involves 2 UA birds, so I think it's still a pretty bad day to be UA, even if this happens to others.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:44 pm

neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


What verb would you like?

It's clear that the aircraft in the pic isn't going to fly again right away.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:44 pm

Why are the poor Star Alliance birds getting beat up lately? First the LH A340 goes up in smoke and now this one gets its wings clipped.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:46 pm

645 swapped aircraft, the other cancelled
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:47 pm

That B737 wanted a split scimitar and decided to take care of business.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:55 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


What verb would you like?

It's clear that the aircraft in the pic isn't going to fly again right away.


"Clipped" is usually the term used in incidents such as this
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:58 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Bad day to be UA



Uhhh, this happens to other carriers as well...


Yes it does. But this involves 2 UA birds, so I think it's still a pretty bad day to be UA, even if this happens to others.


Meh, they're both narrow bodies and spares can/will be used. Now if we were talking about a 787 or 77W, that would be a sucky day lol.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:07 am

Well it was a collision and so collide is appropriate, not sure who "decides" that clipped is the right terminology to use on this forum?

I bet any official report goes for collision rather than clipped ;)
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:14 am

neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.

Agreed.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:14 am

skyharborshome wrote:
Why are the poor Star Alliance birds getting beat up lately? First the LH A340 goes up in smoke and now this one gets its wings clipped.


Which LH A340? Where and when?
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am

Judge1310 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:


Uhhh, this happens to other carriers as well...


Yes it does. But this involves 2 UA birds, so I think it's still a pretty bad day to be UA, even if this happens to others.


Meh, they're both narrow bodies and spares can/will be used. Now if we were talking about a 787 or 77W, that would be a sucky day lol.


I think any day that 2 planes from one carrier get into an incident it is a bad day for that airline, be it a 737 or a 787. But I digress.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:20 am

iahcsr wrote:
645 swapped aircraft, the other cancelled

What was 645s original aircraft reg?
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:22 am

Flightsimboy wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
Why are the poor Star Alliance birds getting beat up lately? First the LH A340 goes up in smoke and now this one gets its wings clipped.


Which LH A340? Where and when?

Back in early June a LH A340-300 sustained serious damage after the tug that the aircraft was connected to caught fire. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20180611-0
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:28 am

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iahcsr wrote:
645 swapped aircraft, the other cancelled

What was 645s original aircraft reg?

N448UA.... swapped to N447UA A320. The other was 73G N13720 .... What concerns me much more is the C28 jetbridge appears to have a rather large hole in it.... :crazy: :gasp:
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:29 am

Flightsimboy wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
Why are the poor Star Alliance birds getting beat up lately? First the LH A340 goes up in smoke and now this one gets its wings clipped.


Which LH A340? Where and when?


Lufthansa A340-300 D-AIFA two months ago in Frankfurt. Supertug caught fire while towing the aircraft. It burned thru the skin of the a/c... pretty bad
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:33 am

EWRamp wrote:
Flightsimboy wrote:
skyharborshome wrote:
Why are the poor Star Alliance birds getting beat up lately? First the LH A340 goes up in smoke and now this one gets its wings clipped.


Which LH A340? Where and when?


Lufthansa A340-300 D-AIFA two months ago in Frankfurt. Supertug caught fire while towing the aircraft. It burned thru the skin of the a/c... pretty bad


Thanks. I thought an LH A340 was impacted with some sort of collision.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:44 am

iahcsr wrote:
boeing737max wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
645 swapped aircraft, the other cancelled

What was 645s original aircraft reg?

N448UA.... swapped to N447UA A320. The other was 73G N13720 .... What concerns me much more is the C28 jetbridge appears to have a rather large hole in it.... :crazy: :gasp:


The jetbridge was not involved in the collision and is not holed. It is an optical illusion caused by a damaged piece of winglet. Zoom in closely to see what I mean - takes a couple of minutes to figure it out ;)
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:52 am

neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


LOL, what do you think collide means?
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:54 am

Where was the collision? Bad thread title.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:09 am

KLDC10 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
boeing737max wrote:
What was 645s original aircraft reg?

N448UA.... swapped to N447UA A320. The other was 73G N13720 .... What concerns me much more is the C28 jetbridge appears to have a rather large hole in it.... :crazy: :gasp:


The jetbridge was not involved in the collision and is not holed. It is an optical illusion caused by a damaged piece of winglet. Zoom in closely to see what I mean - takes a couple of minutes to figure it out ;)

Yes, I see it now.... that scimitar winglet is torn up a lot worse than I would’ve thought
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:14 am

Image

Hit by accident? Yup. While moving? Yup.

That settles that. Enjoy your semantics.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:18 am

Judge1310 wrote:
sagechan wrote:
So how many delays on adjacent gates when everyone came to gawk? :)



They people in the photo aren't "gawk"-ing...Airstairs were brought to the aircraft and the passengers were directed back into the terminal via walking the ramp. The personnel are there to prevent any one from wandering into the aircraft envelop area or any other part of the ramp where they don't belong.

There are 43 people in the photo by my count. They are gawking.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:26 am

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For those familiar with C30, “pushing back” isn’t exactly the best description. Due to the FAA’s refusal to allow aircraft to push over the non-movement line at ORD (with only a few exceptions), aircraft at C30 push back about 5-10 feet, disconnect, and then must complete a 135-degree turn to power-out of the gate. I’m assuming it was during this maneuver that the contact occurred. AA has a similar procedure out of H18.


G20 is a power-out (no push) gate for the same
reason. It seems to work okay there, probably because the aircraft are smaller and no push is in some ways easier than a short push.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:37 am

Rdh3e wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:
sagechan wrote:
So how many delays on adjacent gates when everyone came to gawk? :)



They people in the photo aren't "gawk"-ing...Airstairs were brought to the aircraft and the passengers were directed back into the terminal via walking the ramp. The personnel are there to prevent any one from wandering into the aircraft envelop area or any other part of the ramp where they don't belong.

There are 43 people in the photo by my count. They are gawking.


Correction, paid gawkers!
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:51 am

Is it a write-off ?
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:52 am

I think they need a few more people out there to help examine things...
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:54 am

Rdh3e wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:
sagechan wrote:
So how many delays on adjacent gates when everyone came to gawk? :)



They people in the photo aren't "gawk"-ing...Airstairs were brought to the aircraft and the passengers were directed back into the terminal via walking the ramp. The personnel are there to prevent any one from wandering into the aircraft envelop area or any other part of the ramp where they don't belong.

There are 43 people in the photo by my count. They are gawking.


The ramp agents are creating a path. The ones under the wing are tech ops... nobody gawking here
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:58 am

EWRamp wrote:
Rdh3e wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:


They people in the photo aren't "gawk"-ing...Airstairs were brought to the aircraft and the passengers were directed back into the terminal via walking the ramp. The personnel are there to prevent any one from wandering into the aircraft envelop area or any other part of the ramp where they don't belong.

There are 43 people in the photo by my count. They are gawking.


The ramp agents are creating a path. The ones under the wing are tech ops... nobody gawking here


I was mostly joking, and yes the workers in the foreground seem to be a mix of first responders, people examining the damage, and as you say people delineating a path. However those back by the terminal are definitely gawking.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:01 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


What verb would you like?

It's clear that the aircraft in the pic isn't going to fly again right away.


Clipped wings sounds more accurate...
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:52 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


What verb would you like?

It's clear that the aircraft in the pic isn't going to fly again right away.


twinotter wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


LOL, what do you think collide means?


AbigailWT wrote:
Image

Hit by accident? Yup. While moving? Yup.

That settles that. Enjoy your semantics.


"Collide" is technically correct, but it implies the bulk of the aircraft crashed into another, which isn't the case. It would be more accurate to say aircraft wings collided so readers know it wasn't a serious accident with fatalities.
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:04 am

What is the A320 like?
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:28 am

I would replace "collide" with "wingtips kissed at gate".
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:30 am

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What is the A320 like?

About the same from what I can see... Left wingtip fence hit the rear of the 73’s upper winglet (above the 73 wing). Hopefully damage is limited on both to just the fence/winglet.. I suspect when replaced the 737 will have one standard blue/gold scimitar and one *A for awhile.
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:32 am

The correct verb in this case is obviously "United".

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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:11 am

iahcsr wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
What is the A320 like?

About the same from what I can see... Left wingtip fence hit the rear of the 73’s upper winglet (above the 73 wing). Hopefully damage is limited on both to just the fence/winglet.. I suspect when replaced the 737 will have one standard blue/gold scimitar and one *A for awhile.
Should be interesting to see how long repairs take and which will be ready first.

But what damaged the bridge?
 
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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:18 am

NYPECO wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


What verb would you like?

It's clear that the aircraft in the pic isn't going to fly again right away.


twinotter wrote:
neomax wrote:
Collide is a very strong word for this.


LOL, what do you think collide means?


AbigailWT wrote:
Image

Hit by accident? Yup. While moving? Yup.

That settles that. Enjoy your semantics.


"Collide" is technically correct, but it implies the bulk of the aircraft crashed into another, which isn't the case. It would be more accurate to say aircraft wings collided so readers know it wasn't a serious accident with fatalities.

I think this is a good conclusion. After getting a cup of coffee in the early morning I opened this forum board and read about a „collision“ .... it was almost like „OMG! First Genoa two days ago and now a collision in Chicago...“
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:32 am

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Is it a write-off ?


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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

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wn676 wrote:
For those familiar with C30, “pushing back” isn’t exactly the best description. Due to the FAA’s refusal to allow aircraft to push over the non-movement line at ORD (with only a few exceptions), aircraft at C30 push back about 5-10 feet, disconnect, and then must complete a 135-degree turn to power-out of the gate. I’m assuming it was during this maneuver that the contact occurred. AA has a similar procedure out of H18.


Thanks for this explanation. I now understand better how the aircraft left wings collided. In a regular push-back, left and right wing would have collided.

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Re: Planes Collide On Ground At O’Hare

Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:30 am

N14AZ wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
What is the A320 like?

About the same from what I can see... Left wingtip fence hit the rear of the 73’s upper winglet (above the 73 wing). Hopefully damage is limited on both to just the fence/winglet.. I suspect when replaced the 737 will have one standard blue/gold scimitar and one *A for awhile.
Should be interesting to see how long repairs take and which will be ready first.

But what damaged the bridge?

No damage to the jetbridge at all... What on first look appears to be a massive hole is in fact, on closer inspection, part of the 737’s damaged winglet.
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