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Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:11 am
by trex8
eamondzhang wrote:
trex8 wrote:
An a339 is not flying westbound against the jetstream from the us east coast or midwest to Japan with any worthwhile payload. oh maybe they will need some a338s for that! theres always ANC or HNL to stop, doubt the people flying them will care if trip takes 2 hours longer.

Show me your proof when normal A333 can do LAX-HND easily already, heck they even do YVR-PVG now.

Michael

Maybe theres a reason DL7 went 772 the last 5 months??? Plus Air Asia will be carrying 100 pax at least more than any DL plane which is close to 10 ton more payload.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:21 am
by trex8
eamondzhang wrote:
trex8 wrote:
An a339 is not flying westbound against the jetstream from the us east coast or midwest to Japan with any worthwhile payload. oh maybe they will need some a338s for that! theres always ANC or HNL to stop, doubt the people flying them will care if trip takes 2 hours longer.

Show me your proof when normal A333 can do LAX-HND easily already, heck they even do YVR-PVG now.

Michael

The DL flight from LAX has been operated by a 772 the last 6 months , maybe for a reason???? Plus any Air Asia flight will have 100+ more pax and 10 tons more payload than any DL flight. The MU flights from YVR are A332.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:11 am
by 717atOGG
trex8 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
trex8 wrote:
An a339 is not flying westbound against the jetstream from the us east coast or midwest to Japan with any worthwhile payload. oh maybe they will need some a338s for that! theres always ANC or HNL to stop, doubt the people flying them will care if trip takes 2 hours longer.

Show me your proof when normal A333 can do LAX-HND easily already, heck they even do YVR-PVG now.

Michael

The DL flight from LAX has been operated by a 772 the last 6 months , maybe for a reason???? Plus any Air Asia flight will have 100+ more pax and 10 tons more payload than any DL flight. The MU flights from YVR are A332.

The only reason why DL switched to the 772 on LAX-HND is because of aircraft rotation. Personally, I believe that DL had no trouble flying the A333 on LAX-HND, since it is 400 miles shorter than the longest current A333 route (RUN-ORY on Corsair) and has a less dense configuration than that. And as for Air Asia X to LAX, Airbus has promised that the A339 will be able to do KUL-LON, which is a good bit longer than Japan-LAX. So I feel confident about Air Asia X's ability to fly the A339 to the USA, even with their dense configuration.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:18 am
by eamondzhang
trex8 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
trex8 wrote:
An a339 is not flying westbound against the jetstream from the us east coast or midwest to Japan with any worthwhile payload. oh maybe they will need some a338s for that! theres always ANC or HNL to stop, doubt the people flying them will care if trip takes 2 hours longer.

Show me your proof when normal A333 can do LAX-HND easily already, heck they even do YVR-PVG now.

Michael

The DL flight from LAX has been operated by a 772 the last 6 months , maybe for a reason???? Plus any Air Asia flight will have 100+ more pax and 10 tons more payload than any DL flight. The MU flights from YVR are A332.

DL operated A333 on LAX-HND during the WINTER when things are much worse due to wind: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es%20Tokyo

MU's A333 has appeared on YVR-PVG since last year: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2017/ Though it's the typical MU incompetence that the 242t birds are all around PEK-SHA right now (the new ones are fully certified to 242t MTOW).

Michael

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:48 pm
by trex8
eamondzhang wrote:
trex8 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Show me your proof when normal A333 can do LAX-HND easily already, heck they even do YVR-PVG now.

Michael

The DL flight from LAX has been operated by a 772 the last 6 months , maybe for a reason???? Plus any Air Asia flight will have 100+ more pax and 10 tons more payload than any DL flight. The MU flights from YVR are A332.

DL operated A333 on LAX-HND during the WINTER when things are much worse due to wind: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es%20Tokyo

MU's A333 has appeared on YVR-PVG since last year: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2017/ Though it's the typical MU incompetence that the 242t birds are all around PEK-SHA right now (the new ones are fully certified to 242t MTOW).

Michael

winter loads also tend to be lower

FR24 shows A332 on those MU flights most of this year

Im sure you can even run a 230K A333, just not with a good load and with how Air Asia are likely to configure their planes, unless they start going more premium, even a A339 is going to be stretching it.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:14 pm
by eamondzhang
trex8 wrote:
winter loads also tend to be lower

FR24 shows A332 on those MU flights most of this year

Im sure you can even run a 230K A333, just not with a good load and with how Air Asia are likely to configure their planes, unless they start going more premium, even a A339 is going to be stretching it.

Throw in more facts before jumping to your conclusion. Far more airlines are running A333 flights of that stage length than you thought.

Now, LAX-NRT is a 10:30 flight in the summer, 12hr flight in the winter. LAX-KIX is 11:10 in the summer, 12:40 in the winter. I'll throw in some 12h A333 flights just to give you some extreme example:
QF107/CA174 SYD-PEK (and for QF107 that replaces some A332 frequency).
CA166 MEL-PEK
TK61 KUL-IST
BF705/1 RUN-ORY (heck a long flight for a sardine can)
CA845 PEK-BCN (when it swaps to A333 in November)
CZ610 LAX-SHE
CZ331 CSX-FRA
CZ336 AKL-CAN
HU7932 AKL-SZX

Now, I'm not saying every single of these flights go out full or without penalties, or if D7 throws the same plane onto the same route it won't face penalty (partially because of the reason you said). But the way they schedule A333, particular those new planes show that at least in their config they don't have much payload concern if at all. All of them have more capable planes if needed.

Michael

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:24 am
by adls307usa
Maybe they'll go to OAK? DO they still have that plane painted up in Raiders colors? KUL-NRT-OAK on an A340?

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:35 am
by TheFlyingDisk
adls307usa wrote:
Maybe they'll go to OAK? DO they still have that plane painted up in Raiders colors? KUL-NRT-OAK on an A340?


Those planes are long gone, and the reason they shut down European services.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:27 pm
by UPlog
Bit of an update.

Air Asia X CEO says Japan-LA/SF possible after delivery of A330NEO next year

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/166662

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:38 pm
by LondonXtreme
The nonstop between US and Japan(Tokyo and Osaka) is always expensive compare to other places like HKG, PVG, PEK, TPE, BKK, SIN, MNL etc...But the flying distance between Japan and US is closer, even way closer than any cities in South East Asia. The reason cause the higher airfare is because of the JV(NH-UA,JL-AA). Especially some nonstop routes like SFO-NRT/HND is ridiculously expensive around $1300-$1800, where as you can fly to HKG or SIN by just paying $600-800.

Personally, I would like to see more Asian LCC enter the Japan-US market to compete with existing players and increase the capacity. In my point of view, NRT is an ideal place for long haul LCC hub between Japan and US.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:20 pm
by spinkid
LondonXtreme wrote:
The nonstop between US and Japan(Tokyo and Osaka) is always expensive compare to other places like HKG, PVG, PEK, TPE, BKK, SIN, MNL etc...But the flying distance between Japan and US is closer, even way closer than any cities in South East Asia. The reason cause the higher airfare is because of the JV(NH-UA,JL-AA). Especially some nonstop routes like SFO-NRT/HND is ridiculously expensive around $1300-$1800, where as you can fly to HKG or SIN by just paying $600-800.

Personally, I would like to see more Asian LCC enter the Japan-US market to compete with existing players and increase the capacity. In my point of view, NRT is an ideal place for long haul LCC hub between Japan and US.


Indeed, the mainland Chinese carriers can't offer reasonable connections to Japan, therefore prices remain higher to Japan than they do to Southeast Asia.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:45 pm
by juliuswong
Tony Fernandes two days dropped a hint in his IG AirAsia X's first US mainland is Los Angeles. He and his team have been in the US often recently. https://www.instagram.com/p/BzwcRF2BBcN ... n4h4l5b69k

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:25 am
by LAX772LR
trex8 wrote:
An a339 is not flying westbound against the jetstream from the us east coast or midwest to Japan with any worthwhile payload.

How do you come to this conclusion? It's not that much of a stretch, considering that outes like JFK-NRT or ORD-NRT are "only" 5861nm and 5462nm, respectively.

A lot of people don't seem to realize that the A330-900 has the same pax+bags range as the 747-400.

Even taking both (1) AirAsiaX's dense configuration and (2) considerable winter winds into account, an A339 should still be able to do either route fairly decently.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:48 am
by strfyr51
master14225 wrote:
Does everyone forget about YVR or SEA? California is not the entire west coast and it pisses me off when people think it is...

Can their Airplanes Make it to YVR or SEA? Looks to me like they're going "Bang for Buck". And that's understandable.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:10 am
by flee
strfyr51 wrote:
master14225 wrote:
Does everyone forget about YVR or SEA? California is not the entire west coast and it pisses me off when people think it is...

Can their Airplanes Make it to YVR or SEA? Looks to me like they're going "Bang for Buck". And that's understandable.

Its all about the size of the market - is it big enough to fill the planes at good yields? California seems to offer a good business proposition. Can YVR or SEA offer the same or something better?

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:19 am
by stl07
Whenever I look, stl-east asia is always 500ish rt, sometimes even less for China. Have fun beating that

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:47 am
by DCA350
stl07 wrote:
Whenever I look, stl-east asia is always 500ish rt, sometimes even less for China. Have fun beating that


I wholeheartedly agree, this seems like a recipe for disaster. As my handle states I'm based out of DC and I never pay more than $650-700 to fly to Asia and that's on premium carriers like ANA and Cathay. Air China is usually in the $500s and while their service isn't the best, it's certainly better than D7s. Deep South America and maybe Africa are really the only regions I can see benefiting from low cost long haul because the fairs are still very high for the sector length. Trans Atlantic and Trans Pacific are blood baths and the Chinese are only going to dump more capacity.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:45 am
by theasianguy
I hope long haul LCC's keep out of the transpacific market. This is one of the last markets where basic economy has not ruined the flying experience. I enjoy paying $600-800 fares R/T from US to East Asia with free seat assignments, checked bags, carry-ons, and full mileage credit. The glut of capacity from full service carriers is keeping prices low.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:50 am
by WPvsMW
lightsaber wrote:
Does any Japanese airport have enough surplus capacity to set up a hub wave of size?


NRT ... in the future will be an LCC and cargo hub, after the legacies move to HND.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:06 am
by GalebG4
Possible routes: KUL, DMK, NRT to HNL, YVR, SEA, SFO and LAX.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:13 am
by flee
GalebG4 wrote:
Possible routes: KUL, DMK, NRT to HNL, YVR, SEA, SFO and LAX.

D7 already operates KUL-KIX-HNL daily.

They are probably considering KUL/DMK-KIX-LAX/LAS.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:58 am
by c933103
theasianguy wrote:
I hope long haul LCC's keep out of the transpacific market. This is one of the last markets where basic economy has not ruined the flying experience. I enjoy paying $600-800 fares R/T from US to East Asia with free seat assignments, checked bags, carry-ons, and full mileage credit. The glut of capacity from full service carriers is keeping prices low.

If anything, it look like Starlux at Taiwan have been hinting they will break into the TPAC market using unbundled fare option

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:17 am
by c933103
UPlog wrote:
Bit of an update.

Air Asia X CEO says Japan-LA/SF possible after delivery of A330NEO next year

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/166662

It mentioned flying to San Francisco and Los Angeles from KIX and NGO

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:22 am
by flee
theasianguy wrote:
I hope long haul LCC's keep out of the transpacific market. This is one of the last markets where basic economy has not ruined the flying experience. I enjoy paying $600-800 fares R/T from US to East Asia with free seat assignments, checked bags, carry-ons, and full mileage credit. The glut of capacity from full service carriers is keeping prices low.

I think JAL's LCC, Zip Air will be targetting to launch services to the US from NRT soon. They are looking to cash in on Olympics traffic in their first year of operations.

That probably explains why Airasia X is seriously looking at this market - they need to compete!

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:29 am
by c933103
flee wrote:
theasianguy wrote:
I hope long haul LCC's keep out of the transpacific market. This is one of the last markets where basic economy has not ruined the flying experience. I enjoy paying $600-800 fares R/T from US to East Asia with free seat assignments, checked bags, carry-ons, and full mileage credit. The glut of capacity from full service carriers is keeping prices low.

I think JAL's LCC, Zip Air will be targetting to launch services to the US from NRT soon. They are looking to cash in on Olympics traffic in their first year of operations.

That probably explains why Airasia X is seriously looking at this market - they need to compete!

In 2020 Zip Air will only be able to fly Intra Asia routes. They need time to gain ETOPS certification
Also, Zip Air will fly out of Tokyo, unlike Air Asia X.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:45 pm
by DylanHarvey
Someone let mintxwb know, Airbus aircraft are typically far worse than brochure performance so this will not be happening. But no in all seriousness a tag on from NRT/ICN/TPE would work. 339neo can make those.

Re: Air Asia X looks at US West Coast

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:50 pm
by EightyFour
6 hours on a 3-3-3 a330 was intolerable, I can't imagine doing 12.