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AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLQ/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:23 pm

From internal website, PHL routes served with 767’s except EDI which is 757. ORD-PVG is cut as well as JFK-DUB shifting to DFW. Massive announcement.
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Re: AA Anounces Berlin, Dubrovnik, Bologna, PHX-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:24 pm

From where?
 
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Re: AA Anounces Berlin, Dubrovnik, Bologna, PHX-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:25 pm

 
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Re: AA Anounces Berlin, Dubrovnik, Bologna, PHX-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:27 pm

I have officially FAINTED!
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:28 pm

I would have never guessed CLT-MUC...
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:29 pm

Jonnyc has hinted this for several week. Disappointed to see jfk dub getting cut.
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:29 pm

I expect BA to drop down to 1 daily on PHX-LHR.
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:33 pm

Wow! Dubrovnik...never thought I would see that day.
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:34 pm

So looking at the cancellations the net growth is that much?
 
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Re: AA Anounces Berlin, Dubrovnik, Bologna, PHX-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:34 pm

DFW-DUB/MUC, ORD-ATH added as well.

ORD-PVG gone, and ORD-NRT reduced to 3w. I can't believe ORD-Asia is really that bad, but fares are in the toilet and AA isn't about to give up on LAX.
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:37 pm

sw733 wrote:
Wow! Dubrovnik...never thought I would see that day.


I had read Dubrovnik was negotiating flights with the US but that is really shocking nonetheless. In any case, Iberia is up to three daily in summer in MAD-DBV and many passengers connect to the US, so they know the numbers.

So for S19 DBV will have flights with Philadelphia, Dubai or (2 daily) Istanbul. A truly global destination of only 40,000 full-time residents. It must command high-fares nonetheless if only looking at the atrocious prices that Dubrovnik hotels charge in summer.
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Re: AA Anounces Berlin, Dubrovnik, Bologna, PHX-LHR

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:38 pm

panam330 wrote:
DFW-DUB/MUC, ORD-ATH added as well.

ORD-PVG gone, and ORD-NRT reduced to 3w. I can't believe ORD-Asia is really that bad, but fares are in the toilet and AA isn't about to give up on LAX.


Looks like JL will go to almost 2x in summer to fill the gap.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:44 pm

Not much growth, mostly reallocating aircraft to other routes.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:45 pm

Interesting that the news release mentions the ORD-NRT pullback but not the JFK change.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:50 pm

Wow! What an announcement. I'm tempted to know what LH will do in CLT now that AA is starting CLT-MUC.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 pm

Can someone please change the thread title? I saw it and ad to look up "BLG" - only to find that it's the code for Belaga, an airport in the jungle of Borneo with a 430m long runway. Probably not what AA will serve from PHL (maybe from LAX?).

Bologna is BLQ.

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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 pm

sw733 wrote:
Wow! Dubrovnik...never thought I would see that day.


Really amazing! Went several years ago and there was not many good Oneworld options back to the US.

PHL has really become quite a TATL, albeit heavily skewed towards AA
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:51 pm

BLQ and DBV are very interesting for the usually conservative AA.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:52 pm

Fantastic to (finally) see Dallas to Dublin !!!
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:52 pm

US ran LH out of CLT before on the FRA route.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:53 pm

CLTMUC, that replaces PHLMUC. PHLFRA gone entirely. PHLGLA cancelled, with the GLA station closing. ORDMAN gone. JFKDUB gone. JFKEDI gone.

ORDNRT will be 3x per week, but as it says, will go back to daily in the summer time.

http://s21.q4cdn.com/616071541/files/do ... 082118.pdf

So this is just shuffling things around.
 
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Re: AA Anounces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:57 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Wow! Dubrovnik...never thought I would see that day.


I had read Dubrovnik was negotiating flights with the US but that is really shocking nonetheless. In any case, Iberia is up to three daily in summer in MAD-DBV and many passengers connect to the US, so they know the numbers.

So for S19 DBV will have flights with Philadelphia, Dubai or (2 daily) Istanbul. A truly global destination of only 40,000 full-time residents. It must command high-fares nonetheless if only looking at the atrocious prices that Dubrovnik hotels charge in summer.


I took that MAD-DBV flight home a couple years ago then on to AA through PHL so it kind of makes sense. But still surprising to see DBV with a transatlantic flight. BLQ is also surprising but I guess that can help serve tourists to Florence.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:57 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
CLTMUC, that replaces PHLMUC. PHLFRA gone entirely. PHLGLA cancelled, with the GLA station closing. ORDMAN gone. JFKDUB gone. JFKEDI gone.

ORDNRT will be 3x per week, but as it says, will go back to daily in the summer time.

http://s21.q4cdn.com/616071541/files/do ... 082118.pdf

So this is just shuffling things around.


Cutting PHL to FRA makes sense but the cut to MUC is quite surprising...especially now with two carriers on CLT-MUC
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:57 pm

LAX-YYZ has been around forever right?
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:59 pm

Wow. I suspect AA wants to run LH out of CLT. But now only a seasonal 4x weekly AA on PHL-Germany, which only helps LH in PHL.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:00 pm

Somewhat awesome news on CLT-MUC!! Very skeptical on how this will impact LH. I like to believe LH is established enough in CLT that they’ll be able to sustain the service.

Will be interesting. Never would’ve guessed this.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:01 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
CLTMUC, that replaces PHLMUC. PHLFRA gone entirely. PHLGLA cancelled, with the GLA station closing. ORDMAN gone. JFKDUB gone. JFKEDI gone.

ORDNRT will be 3x per week, but as it says, will go back to daily in the summer time.

http://s21.q4cdn.com/616071541/files/do ... 082118.pdf

So this is just shuffling things around.


Makes me wonder if AA is now just throwing darts to create TATL presence. It's unfortunate to see them continue to dismantle the JFK presence.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:01 pm

The article also mentions AY adding HEL-LAX on 3/31/19.

Nice to see AA beating UA to the punch on ORD-ATH, and being the first airline to offer US service from BLQ and DBV. AA's seasonal Europe network from PHL is starting to become quite impressive, with ATH, BCN, TXL, BLQ, BUD, DBV, EDI, LIS, PRG, SNN, and VCE for S19.
*edited to get rid of GLA, FRA, and MUC which are being cancelled*
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:01 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Wow. I suspect AA wants to run LH out of CLT. But now no AA on PHL-Germany, which only helps LH in PHL.


Well, there now is service to TXL...

LH is quite strong on the PHL-FRA market with tons of corporate traffic. SAP alone has among the highest volume between the Northeast and Germany
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:02 pm

Lemieux wrote:
From internal website, PHL routes served with 767’s except EDI which is 757. ORD-PVG is cut as well as JFK-DUB shifting to DFW. Massive announcement.

There's going to be a lot more than two routes dropped. They aren't taking the fleet deliveries to support that, nor would Wall Street like that much growth. I wonder what else is getting axed?
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:03 pm

Finally a nonstop ORD-ATH! It should do well as a seasonal service.

I find it interesting that AA is cancelling LAX-YYZ. It was my understanding that this was actually a pretty strong entertainment industry route for them.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:03 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
CLTMUC, that replaces PHLMUC. PHLFRA gone entirely. PHLGLA cancelled, with the GLA station closing. ORDMAN gone. JFKDUB gone. JFKEDI gone.

ORDNRT will be 3x per week, but as it says, JAL will increase service in the summer so that there are 2X flights per day between Chicago and Tokyo on oneworld carriers. Wow.

http://s21.q4cdn.com/616071541/files/do ... 082118.pdf

So this is just shuffling things around.
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:05 pm

This sums it up:
http://s21.q4cdn.com/616071541/files/do ... 082118.pdf

PHLFRA, PHLGLA, PHLMUC all dropped. JFKDUB, JFKEDI dropped. ORDMAN dropped.

enilria wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
From internal website, PHL routes served with 767’s except EDI which is 757. ORD-PVG is cut as well as JFK-DUB shifting to DFW. Massive announcement.

There's going to be a lot more than two routes dropped. They aren't taking the fleet deliveries to support that, nor would Wall Street like that much growth. I wonder what else is getting axed?
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:05 pm

They continue with the old US Airways summer tourist business. They know how to do it and it makes a good profit. They even expanded it to ORD-BCN and ORD-VCE IIRC which are a telltale success of that business. AFAIK
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:05 pm

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They are not adding Malaysia-PHL.

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MODS: Please correct to BLQ.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:06 pm

AA is dropping PHLFRA entirely, it's buried in the release on the chart.

717atOGG wrote:
The article also mentions AY adding HEL-LAX on 3/31/19.

Nice to see AA beating UA to the punch on ORD-ATH, and being the first airline to offer US service from BLQ and DBV. AA's seasonal Europe network from PHL is starting to become quite impressive, with ATH, BCN, TXL, BLQ, BUD, DBV, EDI, LIS, PRG, SNN, and VCE for S19.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:07 pm

jetsetter629 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Wow. I suspect AA wants to run LH out of CLT. But now no AA on PHL-Germany, which only helps LH in PHL.


Well, there now is service to TXL...

LH is quite strong on the PHL-FRA market with tons of corporate traffic. SAP alone has among the highest volume between the Northeast and Germany

Yes, I made that update. I suspect we could see LH upgauge.

Marginal capacity increase at PHL.

I also think we'll see the 788 on PHL-ATH, VCE in 2020 when the 787's come to PHL.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:07 pm

Great news for Berlin and although yields are probably still pretty bad, Berlin desperately needs more TATL capacity. Still, a pity they didnt include HAM as well.

CLT-MUC is interesting, let's see whether they talked to BMW because otherwise both DFW and CLT might be overkill.
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:09 pm

Would this mean JFK becomes a 777 station for transatlantic? And this being the move of all 767s to PHL?
 
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Re: AA announces PHL-TXL/DBV/BLG/EDI, PHX-LHR, DFW-DUB/MUC, CLT-MUC, ORD-ATH

Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:09 pm

Lemieux wrote:
ORD-PVG is cut as well

I really don't understand how that route can be bad.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:13 pm

enilria wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
ORD-PVG is cut as well

I really don't understand how that route can be bad.


Maybe because I can get there tomorrow and come back next week for ~$700.

I never thought to check prices and wow. That is CHEAP.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:15 pm

way too much capacity. low fares. it's not that hard.

enilria wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
ORD-PVG is cut as well

I really don't understand how that route can be bad.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:16 pm

Fares to Cancun are more than that. When that happens, it's not surprising to see that long haul, aircraft and crew intensive routes will be axed.

Rookie87 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
ORD-PVG is cut as well

I really don't understand how that route can be bad.


Maybe because I can get there tomorrow and come back next week for ~$700.

I never thought to check prices and wow. That is CHEAP.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:16 pm

Impressive growth from PHL. The reduction on ORD-NRT came much faster than I would have expected
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:18 pm

Glad to see addition of DFW-MUC.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:20 pm

Bold move to fly seasonal to DBV!

Yet, I can't believe no American carrier fly to NAP during summer. Guess they are happy to funnel everyone to FCO or to JV's hubs in Europe.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:21 pm

It is just incredible how American struggles at FRA.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:21 pm

JFK-PAP and FLL-PAP also cut
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:21 pm

too bad some new markets will be flown on 767s! oh, wow! not a good idea... :/ can't wait until they are all retired.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:22 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
way too much capacity. low fares. it's not that hard.

enilria wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
ORD-PVG is cut as well

I really don't understand how that route can be bad.

It's a business market and they have plenty of feed, plus overall capacity to China is limited. Still shocked there isn't the demand.
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