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Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:54 pm

Primera Air continues it's venture into the long-haul, low-cost TATL flights with the addition of three new flights from BRU to IAD, BOS, EWR.
https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... rvice-2019
https://www.petoskeynews.com/news/usa_t ... 9baaf.html
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:57 pm

Primera Air will fly these new routes with Boeing 737 MAX 9 Aircraft

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... topstories
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Flight Schedules
BRU- EWR begins May 9th
PF3509 BRU 1820 EWR 2100 7M9 D
PF3510 EWR 2230 BRU 1145 7M9 D

BRU-IAD begins June 2nd
PF3559 BRU 1630 IAD 2020 7M9 147
PF3560 IAD 2150 BRU 1130 7M9 147

BRU-BOS begins June 2nd
PF3521 BRU 1920 BOS 2135 7M9 2356
PF3522 BOS 2305 BRU 1200 7M9 2356
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:16 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Flight Schedules
BRU- EWR begins May 9th
PF3509 BRU 1820 EWR 2100 7M9 D
PF3510 EWR 2230 BRU 1145 7M9 D

BRU-IAD begins June 2nd
PF3559 BRU 1630 IAD 2020 7M9 147
PF3560 IAD 2150 BRU 1130 7M9 147

BRU-BOS begins June 2nd
PF3521 BRU 1920 BOS 2135 7M9 2356
PF3522 BOS 2305 BRU 1200 7M9 2356


BRU-IAD is only 100 miles shorter than maximum quoted range. So for a clearly high capacity seating configuration isn’t this one particularly going to be a struggle for the MAX 9?
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:48 pm

While it's always nice to see expansion in commercial aviation I think these guys are going to struggle dumbing more capacity in already over served markets trashing their yield potential let's see how long this lasts.
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:00 pm

I am a bit skeptical. Brussels-New York is like a non-stop flash sale. IAD is served by United and Brussels (Star to Star hub).

IMO it would be better for them to focus on some secondary city in France or Germany with limited links to the US, if range works. But I imagine the issue with those narrow-body short-haul planes for TATL is that they can only reach East Coast US to West Coast EU and there are not many combinations.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:07 pm

I think Brussels is a smart choice, it's the closest hub at the European mainland to the USA that has capacity. Only Amsterdam is closer, but it's full so out of the question. The UK has the APD disadvantage and Ireland is already overserved plus it has Norwegian to compete with. So far there are narrow-body TATL flights from the UK and Ireland but none from mainland Europe.

Range could be an issue, but given that they don't carry cargo and as an LCC they charge for checked luggage so most of their passengers won't have any the cargo space will be mostly empty. This reduces the weight of the aircraft and therefor increases the range.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:18 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I am a bit skeptical. Brussels-New York is like a non-stop flash sale. IAD is served by United and Brussels (Star to Star hub).


I agree, this will be a bloodbath. Brussel airlines will need to defend its turf to prevent primera air from getting a big foothold in BRU. The winner the costumer if he or she doesn't book primera as these flights will be late due to fuel diversions.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:24 pm

devron wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
I am a bit skeptical. Brussels-New York is like a non-stop flash sale. IAD is served by United and Brussels (Star to Star hub).


I agree, this will be a bloodbath. Brussel airlines will need to defend its turf to prevent primera air from getting a big foothold in BRU. The winner the costumer if he or she doesn't book primera as these flights will be late due to fuel diversions.


Yeah, I have doubts that BRU-IAD really needs a third carrier (even if it is less than daily). It might do ok during the summer months, but on a year round basis it would be a disaster.

I'd rather see an LCC try something TXL-IAD 3-4x weekly, but I realize that's beyond the range of the 7M9.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:27 pm

Brussels Airlines flights to north America are pretty well stuffed full of connecting passengers from African destinations otherwise pretty poorly served. Not sure they will be too worried filling their planes.
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:38 pm

jubaexpress wrote:
Brussels Airlines flights to north America are pretty well stuffed full of connecting passengers from African destinations otherwise pretty poorly served. Not sure they will be too worried filling their planes.


I don't think SN is that worried, though on a route like IAD-BRU, I'd note that even SN can't maintain it year round.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:39 pm

Should have tried this out from the start, I think BRU-BOS will be a great addition.
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:51 pm

Not sure if it’s just me thinking this but why 739max aircraft. Would it be more cost effective to stay with the a321neo for the long haul? It’s more suited and forgiving aircraft for these particular missions!

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Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:01 pm

FlyPNS1 wrote:
jubaexpress wrote:
Brussels Airlines flights to north America are pretty well stuffed full of connecting passengers from African destinations otherwise pretty poorly served. Not sure they will be too worried filling their planes.


I don't think SN is that worried, though on a route like IAD-BRU, I'd note that even SN can't maintain it year round.


I heard SN wanted a year around service but UA did not want...to preserve it's own service ! I guess agreement with LH...
 
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Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:07 pm

This is probably a missed opportunity for Charleroi Airport. I would be surprised they didn't try to get Primera Air in their portfolio; New York would look fancy next to Hong Kong. In a way it would be more interesting in order to create a slightly different catchment area than BRU (e.g. Lille is far closer to CRL). I almost prefer CRL over BRU; much quicker to navigate and less hassle with security. However there are no automated passport gates at CRL (while there are at BRU).
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:19 pm

In terms of range, PF will take delivery of 7M9s equipped with auxiliary tanks.

My question is will they encounter MTOW issues?

Source: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/primera ... 37-max-9s/
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:57 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
This is probably a missed opportunity for Charleroi Airport. I would be surprised they didn't try to get Primera Air in their portfolio; New York would look fancy next to Hong Kong. In a way it would be more interesting in order to create a slightly different catchment area than BRU (e.g. Lille is far closer to CRL). I almost prefer CRL over BRU; much quicker to navigate and less hassle with security. However there are no automated passport gates at CRL (while there are at BRU).

With BRU having spare capacity, in the absence of a huge discount at Charleroi I'm not sure why they would want to go there. Not sure Charleroi can handle much more non-Schengen traffic especially in the evening either. Brussels and North of Belgian generally is very wealthy so makes sense to aim up there.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:38 pm

I think Luxembourg would have been a better choice.
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:47 pm

Is UA year round, daily on IAD-BRU?
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:00 pm

Did Primera's current management ever work for Norweigan? They seem to have similar "we don't know what the hell we are doing" TATL strategies...
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:45 am

klm617 wrote:
I think Luxembourg would have been a better choice.


Good idea, I think LUX - BOS, NYC would be good choices. With Brexit pushing many financial firms from the UK to LUX, certainly for back office roles, with an increase in non-premium business travel serving the asset management industry it makes sense. I believe Turkish was flirting with a IST-LUX-EWR role at one-time.

As for BRU, I think Charleroi would have been a better choice to avoid direct competition.
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:21 am

A long time ago I used to fly MAN-IAD for a UK carrier on a 752. Before winglets. It was a struggle.
A 739MAX with BRU-IAD which is 300nm longer is not going to last. ACTs or not.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:45 am

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Did Primera's current management ever work for Norweigan? They seem to have similar "we don't know what the hell we are doing" TATL strategies...


They aren't all that similar. If anything they should take a page out of Norwegian and try serving secondary cities in either the U.S or Europe
SWF-BRU would likely do well or PVD, even trying BDL.

competing head to head with the majors at places like IAD, EWR, etc is not going to end well for them.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:48 am

Yes.
Mostly filled with diplomatic traffic, and attorneys going to / from Brussels on high fares. Also people connecting to Brussels Airlines's Africa network. Very different crowd than what one might find on Primera.
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Is UA year round, daily on IAD-BRU?
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:30 am

hz747300 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
I think Luxembourg would have been a better choice.


Good idea, I think LUX - BOS, NYC would be good choices. With Brexit pushing many financial firms from the UK to LUX, certainly for back office roles, with an increase in non-premium business travel serving the asset management industry it makes sense. I believe Turkish was flirting with a IST-LUX-EWR role at one-time.

As for BRU, I think Charleroi would have been a better choice to avoid direct competition.


Luxembourg would give them instant free advertisement in the country and surrounding areas, being the only flights to the US. For a cheap TATL fare, I guess they could attire people from Liege, Alsace, Lorraine and parts of Western Germany (Trier, Koblenz...). That is a few million people that now either connect or drive to BRU, AMS, FRA, DUS or CDG. Ryanair seems to be doing quite well in LUX after all, adding new routes.

I am even skeptical of BRU-BOS without connections on the BRU side (if this was the case for Brussels Airlines). Even Air Berlin and Eurowings couldn't make CGN-BOS and DUS-BOS work (granted in both cases they used bigger planes).

I hope them the best in BRU, but I feel this is going to be a Birmingham v2. I imagine they just looked at airports without low-cost competition (AMS has Norwegian and Paris has Norwegian, LEVEL and those French carriers like French Bee) and found BRU which is somehow in the center of Benelux and Northern France.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:06 am

I wonder if this will be any more successful than their flights from Birmingham. Lets throw some pins at a map and see where they stick.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:14 am

In Birmingham at least they did not have any competition. In BRU there is Delta and Brussels to JFK and United to EWR. AA cancelled JFK-BRU a few years ago.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:31 am

arcticcruiser wrote:
A long time ago I used to fly MAN-IAD for a UK carrier on a 752. Before winglets. It was a struggle.
A 739MAX with BRU-IAD which is 300nm longer is not going to last. ACTs or not.

As long as the configuration isn't too dense, I'd have thought that it would manage. Its range is listed on Wikipedia as being 3550nm for two class, BRU-IAD is 3382nm. It's very close to the limit, so it may be a struggle but I think it'll manage provided Primera doesn't go for a dense configuration.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:31 am

george77300 wrote:
CapitalAvGeek wrote:
Flight Schedules
BRU- EWR begins May 9th
PF3509 BRU 1820 EWR 2100 7M9 D
PF3510 EWR 2230 BRU 1145 7M9 D

BRU-IAD begins June 2nd
PF3559 BRU 1630 IAD 2020 7M9 147
PF3560 IAD 2150 BRU 1130 7M9 147

BRU-BOS begins June 2nd
PF3521 BRU 1920 BOS 2135 7M9 2356
PF3522 BOS 2305 BRU 1200 7M9 2356


BRU-IAD is only 100 miles shorter than maximum quoted range. So for a clearly high capacity seating configuration isn’t this one particularly going to be a struggle for the MAX 9?


Their B39Ms are all getting fitted with extra fuel tanks, probably at Georgetown DE. They'll have a long range config like the TK B739ERs which received same.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:46 am

BRU-NYC in a Delta 757 was already such a "nice" experience... Am I excited to do it with an LCC in a 737 ? I think I'll invest 100€ more, take Brussels Airlines and get a decent service.

But it's true, it's probably going to be a bloodbath. Brussels Airline's tarifs on NYC were already not high: many promotions to fill their plane outside of the July/August period. This will probably kill the small margin they had on this route and I doubt Primera Air will make any money with it either, unless they can capture some additional public in the US or other EU countries ready to use BRU as a hub to save e few €/$.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:55 am

andymartin wrote:
I wonder if this will be any more successful than their flights from Birmingham. Lets throw some pins at a map and see where they stick.


Birmingham is a secondary city with limit industry and no national government, EU, NATO, NGO traffic heading to the States. Belgium also among the highest per capita GDP in Europe - Birmingham is not famous for that.

Stealing away non-premium traffic in tiny proportions and picking up the leisure travel and lots and lots of VFR traffic is a decent bet. There's a lot of Luxembourgish cars in the car parks at both Charleroi and Zaventem, but fewer Belgian cars in Luxembourg airport car park - so why not aim for Brussels and not Charleroi.

Not saying all of these routes will last, but I would imagine one route at least will stick.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:00 am

I hope they do better in Belgium than they've done in the UK. In the short time they've been operating from here they've earned themselves a horrendous reputation with flights regularly delayed 12+ hours or cancelled altogether.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:07 am

hz747300 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
I think Luxembourg would have been a better choice.



Good idea, I think LUX - BOS, NYC would be good choices. With Brexit pushing many financial firms from the UK to LUX, certainly for back office roles, with an increase in non-premium business travel serving the asset management industry it makes sense. I believe Turkish was flirting with a IST-LUX-EWR role at one-time.

As for BRU, I think Charleroi would have been a better choice to avoid direct competition.


LUX would indeed work for BOS and NYC but IAH would not work with the range of the max. Mabye they considered it but IAH is needed to give the aircraft the utilization it needs.

What about a W pattern for BOS and NYC (BRU-BOS-LUX-BOS-BRU) and only IAH from BRU. I know I should join the norwegian route planning team.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:12 am

devron wrote:
hz747300 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
I think Luxembourg would have been a better choice.



Good idea, I think LUX - BOS, NYC would be good choices. With Brexit pushing many financial firms from the UK to LUX, certainly for back office roles, with an increase in non-premium business travel serving the asset management industry it makes sense. I believe Turkish was flirting with a IST-LUX-EWR role at one-time.

As for BRU, I think Charleroi would have been a better choice to avoid direct competition.


LUX would indeed work for BOS and NYC but IAH would not work with the range of the max. Mabye they considered it but IAH is needed to give the aircraft the utilization it needs.

What about a W pattern for BOS and NYC (BRU-BOS-LUX-BOS-BRU) and only IAH from BRU. I know I should join the norwegian route planning team.


As you said IAH is long way out of range. :D

They are planning IAD not IAH. I’m sure that’s what you meant just clarifying... :bouncy:
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:47 am

Sorry for that, I should definitely maybe start to work for norwegian, where is the old airliners.net where is you moved your mouse over the airport code you would see it.

Take home message remains the extra distance to LUX might just push the max a bit too much for Washington but might work to Boston.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:21 am

SCQ83 wrote:

I am even skeptical of BRU-BOS without connections on the BRU side (if this was the case for Brussels Airlines). Even Air Berlin and Eurowings couldn't make CGN-BOS and DUS-BOS work (granted in both cases they used bigger planes).

I hope them the best in BRU, but I feel this is going to be a Birmingham v2. I imagine they just looked at airports without low-cost competition (AMS has Norwegian and Paris has Norwegian, LEVEL and those French carriers like French Bee) and found BRU which is somehow in the center of Benelux and Northern France.



BOS-DUS doesn't exist because the airline serving it ceased to exist. You could only book BOS-CGN as LH code/prices for USA point of sale too.

Part of me wonders why didn't PF try BRU instead of BHX in the first place.

Part of me thinks that USA point of sale is going to be horrible on this one. I could use this route for a lot of great trips i.e. fly BOS-BRU and after a couple days TUIfly package to Italy/Greece with extra time in BRU or hit up Paris/Amsterdam after. However, I understand people travel differently that I do.
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:35 am

spinkid wrote:
If anything they should take a page out of Norwegian and try serving secondary cities in either the U.S or Europe
SWF-BRU would likely do well or PVD, even trying BDL.


Yes because flying random point to point TATL routes with 737's and has been so profitable for D8 [sarcasm]. Of course, I have never really understood how Primera's planned on making any money with their silly TATL business plan.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:58 am

My question is with so much LCC capacity now out of Europe to all the major US markets why do these carriers not go into US cities with little or no LCC TATL capacity. They are all just killing each other by picking the same cities BOS, EWR, ORD, WAS and JFK. There are so many untapped markets to secondary US and Canadian markets that could easily fill a 737 3 or 4 times weekly but yet they'd rather go head to head in already over crowded markets
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:28 pm

Didn't they ordered some 321-LR
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:42 pm

It is interesting that Norwegian, who have experience operating the 737-800 and -8AMX over the Atlantic have never ventured onto the European mainland with the 737, indeed they have publicly said thats why they want the A321LR. Norwegian must have reams of data on how the MAX performs on these kinds of missions.

Also interesting is that both Norwegian and Primera will operate both the NEO and MAX families. Primera do not, operate the LR, nor the ACF version, its the 'original' 321NEO. Norwegian will be LR operators.
 
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BOS-DUS doesn't exist because the airline serving it ceased to exist. You could only book BOS-CGN as LH code/prices for USA point of sale too.


If I recall correctly, Eurowings cancelled CGN well before Air Berlin collapse, and AB made BOS-DUS seasonal. And no one has ever returned to those markets (e.g. AA).

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Part of me thinks that USA point of sale is going to be horrible on this one. I could use this route for a lot of great trips i.e. fly BOS-BRU and after a couple days TUIfly package to Italy/Greece with extra time in BRU or hit up Paris/Amsterdam after. However, I understand people travel differently that I do.


As you mention this is not how most people travel. :) I also think that a BOS - BRU has limited tourism potential in both directions.... it is not a BOS - CDG or a EWR - BRU. It is almost "secondary to secondary". If this was SN connecting in BRU to Africa/Europe... I could see it, but based on O&D, it is another story.

For those looking for bargain fares to head to Netherlands or France... there is already plenty of low-cost flights to those markets. As mentioned BRU - US tends to be quite cheap. I guess this is due to the fact that there are fewer Americans travelling to BRU than to AMS or CDG, so the summer demand is proportionally lower in BRU. Of course Belgians might travel to the US in summer, but so Dutch or French do (and Americans travel to those places in bigger numbers than to BE). This happens very frequently also in BRU-Euro capitals in summer... flying from/to Brussels to any Euro capital in July/August tends to be very cheap and definitely cheaper than from AMS or Paris.
 
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:27 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
BOS-DUS doesn't exist because the airline serving it ceased to exist. You could only book BOS-CGN as LH code/prices for USA point of sale too.


If I recall correctly, Eurowings cancelled CGN well before Air Berlin collapse, and AB made BOS-DUS seasonal. And no one has ever returned to those markets (e.g. AA).

I believe not. Eurowings was cancelled because low yields. I believe that was entirely LHs fault because the prices were WAY too high for a LCC. Air Berlin is a completely different story, it was doing just fine from Boston with year-round flights with an average load factor of 83%. The reason no one has returned to these markets isn't because they fear the possible loads, it's because there is no carrier ATM that would do it. No carrier has a hub in DUS to return to Boston and no US3 airline has a big enough hub in BOS to try DUS yet, as a result BOS doesn't have a flight there.
As for PFs choice to start flights from BRU, I question the choice of IAD considering the amount of competition they will face, but BOS I really believe will be a success for them, they are finally entering a market in Europe where they face no competition from another airline, unlike Paris and London.
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Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:41 pm

Do-the-math. A 737MAX9 with just on ACT is going to be around 49t OEW. With a MTOW of 88,3t. So around 39t to play with. Primera’s 738 seat 189 pax. A -9 has space for two more rows realistically. Potentially 201 seats. Which no one would do due to an added FA. Lets just assume 189 pax. 19t payload.
So, 88,3-49-19= 20,3t for fuel. Not even full tanks, let alone using the ACT. And this becomes a long range airliner how?
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:54 pm

IAD does not have much service to Africa or Eastern Europe, so connects thru BRU on STAR may not be affected.
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:20 pm

B752OS wrote:
Is UA year round, daily on IAD-BRU?


UA year around daily IAD BRU and SN only summer daily too !
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:14 am

capitalflyer wrote:
IAD does not have much service to Africa or Eastern Europe, so connects thru BRU on STAR may not be affected.


When I lived there (suburban DC in Maryland), it did have a large African population, relatively speaking, but seemingly mostly from Ethiopia and mid-continent from East Africa, rather than the side which BRU is likely to serve.
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:24 am

klm617 wrote:
My question is with so much LCC capacity now out of Europe to all the major US markets why do these carriers not go into US cities with little or no LCC TATL capacity. They are all just killing each other by picking the same cities BOS, EWR, ORD, WAS and JFK. There are so many untapped markets to secondary US and Canadian markets that could easily fill a 737 3 or 4 times weekly but yet they'd rather go head to head in already over crowded markets


Can you give us a list of the secondary US and Canadian untapped market for TATL?
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:22 am

BrianDromey wrote:
It is interesting that Norwegian, who have experience operating the 737-800 and -8AMX over the Atlantic have never ventured onto the European mainland with the 737, indeed they have publicly said thats why they want the A321LR. Norwegian must have reams of data on how the MAX performs on these kinds of missions.

Also interesting is that both Norwegian and Primera will operate both the NEO and MAX families. Primera do not, operate the LR, nor the ACF version, its the 'original' 321NEO. Norwegian will be LR operators.


LR is not yet certified. Primera as the launch customer of the 321 LR will get their first one "theorically" around December 2018. Primera has ordered 7 321 NEO + 2 321 NEO LRs
 
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Re: Primera Air announces routes from BRU to N. America

Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:54 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
My question is with so much LCC capacity now out of Europe to all the major US markets why do these carriers not go into US cities with little or no LCC TATL capacity. They are all just killing each other by picking the same cities BOS, EWR, ORD, WAS and JFK. There are so many untapped markets to secondary US and Canadian markets that could easily fill a 737 3 or 4 times weekly but yet they'd rather go head to head in already over crowded markets


Can you give us a list of the secondary US and Canadian untapped market for TATL?



Airports that have little or have no LCC service to Europe that could support a 737 sized aircraft up to a 757. CMH, IND, ATL, CLT, ORF, BUF, MEM, BNA, IND, STL, DTW, PHL, MKE, YWG
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