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Confirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:22 pm

A news conference is scheduled next week to announce new service to ORH.. The most likely candidate is Delta to DTW. We'll see how many daily flights, what type of aircraft, etc., but this is welcome news for an airport that has added a CAT-3 landing system and B6 JFK service this year and is ready for AA-PHL service to begin in the fall. Service levels are starting to sneak up on the critical mass needed to make ORH a true alternative to BOS and PVD for many destinations.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:30 pm

What suggests DL starting this?

If anything this screams F9 or maybe NK.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:37 pm

Lots of reports of months of discussions between Delta and MassPort.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:38 pm

I would say one daily CR9 from DTW. Maybe ATL instead.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:45 pm

willenglish wrote:
I would say one daily CR9 from DTW. Maybe ATL instead.


really? why not a 777 from EWR or maybe DFW?
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:51 pm

Ehh, this is completely unsubstansiated rumor at best and there is really no credible indication that the new service is DL.

I'll go with the news conference for next week and for an announcement of new service but the title of this thread is pretty misleading based on the information provided.

DL could be meeting with MassPort on all things related to BOS.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:55 pm

Because various sources are indicating it’ll be DL to DTW. MassPort is targeting & offering incentive packages to legacy airlines, they don’t seem to be chasing ULCC. Not that ORH fits the mold of NK, anyway.

Given the subsidy offering, it’ll most likely be on CRJ to DTW. B6 is getting subsidy money to JFK & ATL is nearly twice as far, and with a finite number of two-class regional jets, it’s unlikely (and unprescented) that DL would put one on an ATL run.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:57 pm

One of my first layovers was in ORH on a NW DC-9-10. Late 1980s of course.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:05 pm

Prost wrote:
One of my first layovers was in ORH on a NW DC-9-10. Late 1980s of course.

We might have flown together. I upgraded to DC-9 Captain in 1985 and remember the feeling that we were landing on a carrier with that steep cliff landing to the west. The morning departure was really early too.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:09 pm

It’s going to be a 359 to AUS!
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:09 pm

And the terminal was a single wide trailer. I was on the other side of the door from you.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:27 pm

My bet is on ATL or LGA.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:30 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Ehh, this is completely unsubstansiated rumor at best and there is really no credible indication that the new service is DL.

I'll go with the news conference for next week and for an announcement of new service but the title of this thread is pretty misleading based on the information provided.

DL could be meeting with MassPort on all things related to BOS.



Let's have a little faith and positive perspective when it comes to our airport getting a new connection. Here is a link it more than just a ehh rumor.

https://www.flyorh.com/readit/338/FlyOR ... o-Detroit/
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:34 pm

And for the lots of folks wondering where the hell ORH is, it's Worcester, MA.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:43 pm

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And for the lots of folks wondering where the hell ORH is, it's Worcester, MA.

Its called Woostah and not the literal spelling - nobody even GPS will be able to take you there!
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:45 pm

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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:51 pm

What is Massport buttering up DL with for this one?
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:53 pm

This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:56 pm

I believe it is the reverse happening possibly- they needed Terminal A and are getting it. In retrospect, Massport may have asked DL to start ORH as a way to showcase their commitment to the airport. AA is getting the remodeled B and they started flights to PHL.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:05 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
What is Massport buttering up DL with for this one?

Isn’t it the reverse? From what I understand if you want more BOS gates this is your tithe. This probably indicates DL’s desire to chase B6 in BOS (which we pretty much knew) if true. Rings true to me.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:20 pm

Judge1310 wrote:
This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).


You could go even further back to the days after the NE acquisition when DL served MHT and LGA non-stop from ORH.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:22 pm

I highly doubt they do a CR9 to anywhere CR2 more likely.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:47 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I highly doubt they do a CR9 to anywhere CR2 more likely.


It shouldn't be a CR2 ORH-ATL -- that's beyond Delta's stated 750-mile limit for domestic CR2s. ORH-DTW O&D must be close to zero.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:10 am

Exactly. I would be happier if DL added BGR back, I thought that the route was doing good back then. Also ROA and CRW are better candidates IMO.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:10 am

Call me a doubting Thomas I’m just highly skeptical that DL would do this add and fling RJs from DTW to ORH unless it’s to get something in return from MassPort at BOS.

I mean they’ve been cutting DCI routes like LIT TUL and CAK from DTW and stuff like FNT and BMI from MSP and we think they may start ORH? That competes with itself at BOS and MHT?

Dtw mht is down to 2x this winter and DL is suspending MHT ATL during deep winter.

We shall see though.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:26 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Call me a doubting Thomas I’m just highly skeptical that DL would do this add and fling RJs from DTW to ORH unless it’s to get something in return from MassPort at BOS.

I mean they’ve been cutting DCI routes like LIT TUL and CAK from DTW and stuff like FNT and BMI from MSP and we think they may start ORH? That competes with itself at BOS and MHT?

Dtw mht is down to 2x this winter and DL is suspending MHT ATL during deep winter.

We shall see though.


That’s exactly why this will be DL announcing service at ORH. Massport gives them the space to turn their BOS focus city into a SEA sized hub.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:29 am

Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.

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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:45 am

jetlanta wrote:
Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.

A tale as old as time.


The issue with ORH is that it's small, and it directly competes with BOS & BDL, and to a lesser degree PVD.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:47 am

jetlanta wrote:
Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.

A tale as old as time.

Well said... :checkmark:
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:59 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
Exactly. I would be happier if DL added BGR back, I thought that the route was doing good back then. Also ROA and CRW are better candidates IMO.


I agree but we can't look a gift horse in the mouth an add is an add.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:03 am

Super80Fan wrote:

The issue with ORH is that it's small, and it directly competes with BOS & BDL, and to a lesser degree PVD.


The airport being situated on a plateau doesn't help either. Are any of DL's regionals cat III?
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:12 am

Super80Fan wrote:
jetlanta wrote:
Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.
A tale as old as time.

The issue with ORH is that it's small, and it directly competes with BOS & BDL, and to a lesser degree PVD.

And here I am living half way between ORH and MHT...
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:29 pm

Supposedly it is a major carrier, so either DL or WN.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:38 pm

Probably DL having OO operate a token DTW turn a day from ORH, with a junker that will never be on time
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:46 pm

This is likely DL related to terminal issues for expansion at BOS.

Likewise with B6.

Hopefully Massport is not stupid enough to push for LGA or JFK service as it will
make already marginal service to JFK even worse.

Hopefully this is to another hub.

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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:05 pm

To me, this rumor makes sense. And this addition, even if it doesn’t generate any money for DL, continues to help with the bigger picture of growing the DL FF base in New England.

Ignoring the financials, DTW is a great connecting point for all points west. So there is short term value in this service to the pax who find ORH more convenient than BOS. If those pax start flying DL more from ORH, loyalty starts to build, and then in turn they may come to prefer DL over the competition on flights from BOS.

So in the long term, this route could help build the DL passenger base from BOS, even if it pulls them away from BOS in the short term.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:36 pm

cloudboy wrote:
Supposedly it is a major carrier, so either DL or WN.

Or UA. Who knows, they have lots of RJs around and could be willing to offer ORH-ORD.

Judge1310 wrote:
This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).

Are you sure it was ATL? I thought it was CVG. Or was it both?

compensateme wrote:
Because various sources are indicating it’ll be DL to DTW. MassPort is targeting & offering incentive packages to legacy airlines, they don’t seem to be chasing ULCC. Not that ORH fits the mold of NK, anyway.

Given the subsidy offering, it’ll most likely be on CRJ to DTW. B6 is getting subsidy money to JFK & ATL is nearly twice as far, and with a finite number of two-class regional jets, it’s unlikely (and unprescented) that DL would put one on an ATL run.


However we need to remember that ATL is DL's largest hub with over 1,000 daily departures and with lots of traffic between the Northeast and FL, ORH-ATL is most likely to work the best since DL can reach all of the cities B6 can't from JFK or their nonstop MCO and FLL routes out of ORH. Even PHL doesn't have the Florida network that ATL has with PNS, VPS, GNV, DAB (B6's DAB flight doesn't connect with the JFK-ORH flight, only ORH-JFK), MLB, EYW all are one stops exclusive to ATL on DL and my bet is that is where the majority of the ORH pax are going...Florida. So DL can probably capitalize by offering ATL.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:39 pm

FA9295 wrote:
jetlanta wrote:
Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.

A tale as old as time.

Well said... :checkmark:


Although, if that were the case, why haven't B6 left ORH yet?
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:41 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
jetlanta wrote:
Here is how this works. Airline needs something from Massport. Massport asks airline to do something at ORH. Airline does something at ORH. Massport gives airline what it wants. Airline tries to make a go of ORH. ORH sucks. Eventually airline gives up on ORH.

A tale as old as time.

Well said... :checkmark:


Although, if that were the case, why haven't B6 left ORH yet?


Either they're actually making it work or they have the most to lose in BOS?
 
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evank516 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Well said... :checkmark:


Although, if that were the case, why haven't B6 left ORH yet?


Either they're actually making it work or they have the most to lose in BOS?


Given they've expanded ORH, it'd say they're actually making it work. AA increased PHL from 1x to 2x before even launching. AA no doubt launched the 1x as a favour to Massport, but then realized it was, likely to their amazement, working, despite the not-so-hot flight times of the initial 1x.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:48 pm

The recent news about the Pawtucket Red Sox (Boston's AAA affiliate) moving to Worcester around 2021 could be the spark the city has needed to spur serious economic growth. I won't hold my breath but, ORH might finally have a legit chance of not just landing new service but actually holding onto it.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:12 pm

evank516 wrote:
cloudboy wrote:
Supposedly it is a major carrier, so either DL or WN.

Or UA. Who knows, they have lots of RJs around and could be willing to offer ORH-ORD.

Judge1310 wrote:
This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).

Are you sure it was ATL? I thought it was CVG. Or was it both?

compensateme wrote:
Because various sources are indicating it’ll be DL to DTW. MassPort is targeting & offering incentive packages to legacy airlines, they don’t seem to be chasing ULCC. Not that ORH fits the mold of NK, anyway.

Given the subsidy offering, it’ll most likely be on CRJ to DTW. B6 is getting subsidy money to JFK & ATL is nearly twice as far, and with a finite number of two-class regional jets, it’s unlikely (and unprescented) that DL would put one on an ATL run.


However we need to remember that ATL is DL's largest hub with over 1,000 daily departures and with lots of traffic between the Northeast and FL, ORH-ATL is most likely to work the best since DL can reach all of the cities B6 can't from JFK or their nonstop MCO and FLL routes out of ORH. Even PHL doesn't have the Florida network that ATL has with PNS, VPS, GNV, DAB (B6's DAB flight doesn't connect with the JFK-ORH flight, only ORH-JFK), MLB, EYW all are one stops exclusive to ATL on DL and my bet is that is where the majority of the ORH pax are going...Florida. So DL can probably capitalize by offering ATL.



Yes but by adding ORH-ATL to feed Florida it would be competing against itself at BOST not to mention if you're a premium Delta flying why would you chose a ORH one stop connection over ATL when you can just go up to BOS and get a NONSTOP. By offering a DTW-ORH nonstop Delta opens up a whole new segment of their network that doesn't compete with the BOS operation in the least. The only nonstops out of BOS west are LAX, SEA and SFO
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:17 pm

I am really impressed by the effort being put forth by both B6 and DL in bolstering the Boston/New England landscape. Our woebegone airport MHT notwithstanding, every move made by B6 and DL makes AA and UA look very weak.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

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klm617 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
cloudboy wrote:
Supposedly it is a major carrier, so either DL or WN.

Or UA. Who knows, they have lots of RJs around and could be willing to offer ORH-ORD.

Judge1310 wrote:
This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).

Are you sure it was ATL? I thought it was CVG. Or was it both?

compensateme wrote:
Because various sources are indicating it’ll be DL to DTW. MassPort is targeting & offering incentive packages to legacy airlines, they don’t seem to be chasing ULCC. Not that ORH fits the mold of NK, anyway.

Given the subsidy offering, it’ll most likely be on CRJ to DTW. B6 is getting subsidy money to JFK & ATL is nearly twice as far, and with a finite number of two-class regional jets, it’s unlikely (and unprescented) that DL would put one on an ATL run.


However we need to remember that ATL is DL's largest hub with over 1,000 daily departures and with lots of traffic between the Northeast and FL, ORH-ATL is most likely to work the best since DL can reach all of the cities B6 can't from JFK or their nonstop MCO and FLL routes out of ORH. Even PHL doesn't have the Florida network that ATL has with PNS, VPS, GNV, DAB (B6's DAB flight doesn't connect with the JFK-ORH flight, only ORH-JFK), MLB, EYW all are one stops exclusive to ATL on DL and my bet is that is where the majority of the ORH pax are going...Florida. So DL can probably capitalize by offering ATL.



Yes but by adding ORH-ATL to feed Florida it would be competing against itself at BOST not to mention if you're a premium Delta flying why would you chose a ORH one stop connection over ATL when you can just go up to BOS and get a NONSTOP. By offering a DTW-ORH nonstop Delta opens up a whole new segment of their network that doesn't compete with the BOS operation in the least. The only nonstops out of BOS west are LAX, SEA and SFO


Except DL offers BOS-DTW too, so in essence, all of the destinations available with BOS-DTW are also available with ORH-DTW which means it's competing with itself anyway. If you haven't noticed, DL doesn't hesitate to compliment somewhat nearby primary airports with similar service to smaller secondary airports, and there's no way they would hurt their BOS flights since the catchement area for BOS is rather large extending from PVD all the way through PWM and north and west as well. All of the Florida cities I mentioned above do not have nonstops from BOS either. ATL offers the largest amount of flights and the majority of the destinations for those in the Northeast are to Florida. ATL is more guaranteed to fill planes, and can be done with a larger aircraft. I'm not saying DTW wouldn't be an option, I'm just saying ORH-ATL has more potential.
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:28 pm

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Call me a doubting Thomas I’m just highly skeptical that DL would do this add and fling RJs from DTW to ORH unless it’s to get something in return from MassPort at BOS.


You've got to wonder what exactly they could be getting from Massport, though. They're already getting the rest of A back once WN moves to the legacy AA gates in B. I don't think they actually want an FIS in Terminal A; this would reduce capacity by having the Europe aircraft sit at the gate for several hours daily.

I'd guess there are two possibilities:
(1) Delta wants to take over the current AC gates (B1, B2, & B3) and build a sterile-side connector from Terminal A, near gate A11.
(2) Delta wants to reactivate the former AA Eagle terminal (which was the Amelia Earhart General Aviation Terminal before that) -- I'd assume they'd upgrade the facility with passenger loading bridges to maintain the expected level of service.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:29 pm

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evank516 wrote:
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Although, if that were the case, why haven't B6 left ORH yet?


Either they're actually making it work or they have the most to lose in BOS?


Given they've expanded ORH, it'd say they're actually making it work. AA increased PHL from 1x to 2x before even launching. AA no doubt launched the 1x as a favour to Massport, but then realized it was, likely to their amazement, working, despite the not-so-hot flight times of the initial 1x.


I will bet good money that was not in fact the case. Its more likely that AA got called out putting out the most pathetic schedule possible (9am turn) and it was obvious as to what a joke it actually was.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

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evank516 wrote:

Judge1310 wrote:
This is a resumption of service as ORH used to be served from ATL way back in the early 2000s. Back then it was on a CL-65 (CRJ-200).

Are you sure it was ATL? I thought it was CVG. Or was it both?



I'm as sure as the the sun will rise each day: I've worked that flight before, ATL-ORH-ATL. I'm not sure if there was CVG service at the time.
 
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Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:53 pm

I will bet good money that was not in fact the case. Its more likely that AA got called out putting out the most pathetic schedule possible (9am turn) and it was obvious as to what a joke it actually was.[/quote]

I can assure you that that was the case because I was one who had several conversations and emails with their PR folks pointing out the inadequacy of the initial schedule and pricing. Credit to AA for listening and not starting out with a schedule and product that was destined to fail.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:55 pm

There was never service between ORH and CVG. It was ASA to ATL.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:55 pm

If they do DTW-ORH, they'll also do ATL-ORH. That's just how it works folks.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.

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