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Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:58 am

Well a BA (747) pilot has just said this: "A big order is coming up...but I fear it won't be 4-engined."

This is possibly the big order for 777 replacement not due until late 2020s/early 2030s but I suspect it might be for the 777X. Or possibly more A350? Or both?
A shame they aren't likely to get the 747-8 but "quelle surprise". :rotfl:

Anyone at BA have any insights?

Edit: Unlikely to be a short haul top up as that possibly wouldn't warrant a "big" order.
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:12 am

Britiah airways, not heard of them before? Where are they based?

Jokes aside, it could be anything of the 777X/787/A350 bundle.
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:18 am

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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:19 am

I would wager it's a 777X order, seems the most likely, and it would be a big order if it's one that's not on order at present. A split order is not implausible, but I don't see it this time.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:19 am

Arion640 wrote:
Britiah airways, not heard of them before? Where are they based?

Jokes aside, it could be anything of the 777X/787/A350 bundle.


Or more likely a mixture. They will need the capacity of the 777-9X most likely for 744 replacements and already/will operate the other two so some top up orders of all seem likely.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:24 am

It's funny how one letter can make a name of an airline sound so much different.

Earlier in the year it was already revealed that IAG is looking to place a large order for the long haul fleet. Boeing was supposed to be the front runner, which was linked to the A320neo delays (engine issues). At the Paris Air Show there was a small announcement for a lease of 3 more 77W. But as the large order would most likely be placed at the end of this year it's still very much out there. If Boeing is the front runner a 787/777X is most likely, otherwise it will be a large A350 order.

If it's going to be Boeing it will be interesting to see if these planes will also be placed at the other IAG airlines.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:24 am

So neither Airbus nor RR engine order from the UK's biggest airline? They build the buswings too.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:31 am

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So neither Airbus nor RR engine order from the UK's biggest airline? They build the buswings too.


BA are not the UK’s largest airline, and they certainly don’t make wings.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:31 am

Interesting indeed what they're planning going forward. One thing though, given LHR slot restrictions and gate capacity at T5 any expansion will need to be in the form of bigger aircraft not more of them.
A lot of interest will for us a-netters I'm sure focus on BA's will they / won't they top the A380 fleet. We all know hard negotiations on the price BA wants to buy them for vs the price Airbus wants to sell them for took place, so who has won that battle.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:36 am

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So neither Airbus nor RR engine order from the UK's biggest airline? They build the buswings too.


Yet UA/AA/DL/AS all operate Airbus fleets with Boeing building planes in their home countries...
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:40 am

Likely a 77X order, but a 748 order would have been amazing for my personal pipe dream!
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:46 am

Arion640 wrote:
Britiah airways, not heard of them before? Where are they based?

Jokes aside, it could be anything of the 777X/787/A350 bundle.


Must be a sign that the Arabs have finally taken over Britain.

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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:08 am

I'm curious how confident their fleet planning group can be given the lack of any idea of what the post Brexit environment will look like. Smaller orders sure, but a big order suggests you have some confidence of how things will look.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:12 am

Probably 779 and 359 to replace the 747 and older 777-200ERs. Maybe a 35K and 789 topup.
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:13 am

So a BA pilot is privy to info regarding future orders? I doubt that, someone having a joke at someone elses expense more like.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:28 am

First of all, any order will come from IAG, not BA. That's how the corporate structure works there.
Then a "big order" would require a positive vote at a shareholder meeting to be confirmed. That's how the corporate governance works there. Smaller orders are within Board competence to decide. All to do with the amount of capex required or lease commitment undertaken.
But firming options does not require shareholder involvement - effectively they've given approval at the creation of the options.
Options exist for A320neo series, A350 series, and 787 series, all of which are 2 engined of course, as well as A380, which, er, aren't.

And a "big aircraft order" could be an order for big aircraft, or a big order for any size aircraft, or both.
Don't rule out the narrowbody fleet either. There was a fleet renewal plan in place for removing A319s and adding A320/321neos. This was halted when the ex-Monarch slots at Gatwick were bought, and every narrowbody whose lease could be extended or withdrawal deferred saw that happen. Even then there weren't enough planes and wet-leases were used. So effectively the plan has to start again from a higher fleet size baseline. An order for 15 or so A320neo series planes (converted IAG options) would still be large by BA standards.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:36 am

CONFIRMATION FROM PILOT: "It is likely to be a mix of Boeing 777X and top up A350-1000 order.

The variant of the 777X was not mentioned and specified the A35K NOT A359.

Maybe a mod can edit title and my original post?

Edit: Also to British in the title :banghead:
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:49 am

I think, in fairness to this pilot, it has been forecast for some time and I would expect an order for 777Xs (most likely the -9; can't see them having much use for the -8) within the next 3-6 months.

Incidentally, BA converted the order it had o/s for 2-3 789s to 788s; anyone know the logic behind this. It surprised me, because -9 would have better seat mile costs than the -8.

Finally, is there any update on delivery dates (or even configs?) for the 787-10 and A35K?
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:58 am

george77300 wrote:

Maybe a mod can edit title and my original post?




While there's a decent chance the order will look like that, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. "A pilot" is quite thin for confirmation of... pretty much anything...
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:01 am

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I think, in fairness to this pilot, it has been forecast for some time and I would expect an order for 777Xs (most likely the -9; can't see them having much use for the -8) within the next 3-6 months.

Incidentally, BA converted the order it had o/s for 2-3 789s to 788s; anyone know the logic behind this. It surprised me, because -9 would have better seat mile costs than the -8.

Finally, is there any update on delivery dates (or even configs?) for the 787-10 and A35K?


To answers your points:

- Yes the -9X was likely as they need the capacity for premium configurations after 744 retirements.

- BA did convert 4 789 to 788 but then re ordered the 4 789. Net 4 increase in order for 788. The 789 orders remained the same. They like the 788 to operate thinner routes and as testers for new routes. Also no F and higher Y capacity than their 789.

- A35K has 18 order all delivered 2019-2021 and LHR based. First two at least due early 2019 registrations G-XWBA - G-XWBR. No word on config but some 4 class and some 3 class (No F). Rumoured to include new J seat which is then to be retrofitted to 777 first and the new 3 77W will also be delivered with new seat.

- B787-10 delivered all 12 2019-2021 and G-ZBLA - G-ZBLL and no word on dates or config yet. I’d guess 4 class like the 789 though.
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:03 am

Lilienthal wrote:
george77300 wrote:

Maybe a mod can edit title and my original post?




While there's a decent chance the order will look like that, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. "A pilot" is quite thin for confirmation of... pretty much anything...


Not confirmed but edit spelling mistake and say predicted to be 777X and A35K. It is by no means confirmed but it has always been likely. If he had said they are ordering 30 747-8 to replace the 747-400 then I'd be more dubious.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:25 am

I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much.

Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER.

For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make sense.

The 747s are almost accounted for already, with 18 A350-1000s and 12 787-10s. That leaves just 6 747-400s unaccounted for.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:12 pm

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I think, in fairness to this pilot, it has been forecast for some time and I would expect an order for 777Xs (most likely the -9; can't see them having much use for the -8) within the next 3-6 months.

Incidentally, BA converted the order it had o/s for 2-3 789s to 788s; anyone know the logic behind this. It surprised me, because -9 would have better seat mile costs than the -8.

Finally, is there any update on delivery dates (or even configs?) for the 787-10 and A35K?


I think BA have Zero use for the -8, they only want to the -9 as they have no viable 747 High J replacement.
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:26 pm

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Noshow wrote:
So neither Airbus nor RR engine order from the UK's biggest airline? They build the buswings too.


BA are not the UK’s largest airline, .. .


Which one would that be then?
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:27 pm

VSMUT wrote:
I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much.

Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER.

For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make sense.

The 747s are almost accounted for already, with 18 A350-1000s and 12 787-10s. That leaves just 6 747-400s unaccounted for.

Well, they've placed an order to remove the three remaining 772-nonER entirely from the fleet. Back in November 2016 they told their investors that the 772ERs would have a 30 year life. If that's still the case, they don't need any replacement for them until starting 2027 and 2018 seems a bit early to be placing an order. The investors aren't going to be best pleased if all that capital investment has been brought nearer to today (should the policy have changed) without any advance warning.

The timing of 787-10 and A35K deliveries as against 744 retirements suggests that there will be 12 744s still in service after the last of the current orders has arrived, so while all the A35Ks are officially declared as 744 replacements, some of those 12 787-10s may be for expansion if market conditions are right. If the expansion happens, they'll need 12 further airframes to replace the last 744s (that's how many IAG say will still be around in 2023), all for delivery before February 2024, the announced end date for 744s at BA
All that assumes that A350 and 787 deliveries happen as scheduled, and IAG doesn't change its plans...
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:30 pm

ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
I'm curious how confident their fleet planning group can be given the lack of any idea of what the post Brexit environment will look like. Smaller orders sure, but a big order suggests you have some confidence of how things will look.


No professional in his right mind is falling for this Brexit panic mongering.

george77300 wrote:
CONFIRMATION FROM PILOT: "It is likely to be a mix of Boeing 777X and top up A350-1000 order.


"Confirmation". Please. Pilots are involved in fleet planning the same way turkeys are involved in thanksgiving dinner planning.

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greg85 wrote:
Noshow wrote:
So neither Airbus nor RR engine order from the UK's biggest airline? They build the buswings too.


BA are not the UK’s largest airline, .. .


Which one would that be then?


Easyjet has been larger then BA for quite a while now.
 
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Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:47 pm

I will venture a wild one and go for a handful of A380, A350 in both versions, and more B787K.
A350 for Asia and B787K for North America, supplemented by A380 in JFK (they'll find a way).
There is really little point in keeping a small orphan fleet of B779's within the entire group for the JFK shuttle when the B787-10 is the perfect aircraft to offer bith frequency and capacity at a low cost.
The A380's can then fill in the rush hour slots.
I can also see some B787-10's for lower yielding Asian routes like India and BKK.

Also BA can't even fill B772's to HND except in July-August, so I doubt that they can use a B779 in most of Asia.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:52 pm

It's a slight shrink in capacity but 779's for the 744's is the obvious move in the time frame under discussion.The recent end of line top up order for 773ers suggests the direction they are going.If not they would have ordered more 351's no?
I think the 359 lost out to the 7810's a while back.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:53 pm

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ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
I'm curious how confident their fleet planning group can be given the lack of any idea of what the post Brexit environment will look like. Smaller orders sure, but a big order suggests you have some confidence of how things will look.


No professional in his right mind is falling for this Brexit panic mongering.


You're the one that's bringing up panic. As of this moment there is no aviation agreement between the UK and EU. Until there is planners will have to account for any situation, that's only professional.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:56 pm

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Incidentally, BA converted the order it had o/s for 2-3 789s to 788s; anyone know the logic behind this. It surprised me, because -9 would have better seat mile costs than the -8.

The 787-9 seat mile cost is near equal to the 787-8.

The 787-8 isn't a simple shrink of the 787-9. Usually a stretch has less range but in the case of the 787-9 it has a big MTOW increase and flies further. This MTOW increase adds additional weight to the 787-9.

The 787-8 is actually pretty light due to the lower MTOW allowing for a smaller and lighter landing gear. This gives the 787-8 a better lift to drag ratio so it burns significntly less fuel than the 787-9 and it climbs to 40,000ft much earlier.

Usually most airlines upgauge if there is a big improvement in seat mile costs. Most standard stretchs provide a big improvement however the 787-9 doesnt as it provides greater range rather than outright efficiency.

The 787-10 however provides pure seat mile cost improvement but sacrifices range while doing so. The 787-8 is best for the thin routes even medium haul.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:57 pm

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I would wager it's a 777X order, seems the most likely, and it would be a big order if it's one that's not on order at present. A split order is not implausible, but I don't see it this time.

They already have 18 A350-1000s on order and given that Iberia and Aer Lingus both also have A350-900s on order, the A350 seems the obvious choice if BA are looking for fleet commonality. I think they'll order A350s and keep the 787s, a widebody fleet of those aircraft types would work well.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:59 pm

I read awhile back that they were in talks with Boeing, I wonder if they would be interest in a 778 to compete with QF possibly. I think the 779 is a given for BA.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:14 pm

Strong growth, slot restricted hub for years to come, a large VLA 744 fleet to replace.

What would be the aircraft they really want but hate to pay for.. :scratchchin: maybe google a bit.

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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:24 pm

Still remarkable that it is cheaper to buy new versus refit the interior of a A380....
 
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aviationaware wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
I'm curious how confident their fleet planning group can be given the lack of any idea of what the post Brexit environment will look like. Smaller orders sure, but a big order suggests you have some confidence of how things will look.


No professional in his right mind is falling for this Brexit panic mongering.

george77300 wrote:
CONFIRMATION FROM PILOT: "It is likely to be a mix of Boeing 777X and top up A350-1000 order.


"Confirmation". Please. Pilots are involved in fleet planning the same way turkeys are involved in thanksgiving dinner planning.

WIederling wrote:
greg85 wrote:

BA are not the UK’s largest airline, .. .


Which one would that be then?


Easyjet has been larger then BA for quite a while now.


That based on RPK ?
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ikolkyo wrote:
........I think the 779 is a given for BA........


......maybe the least surprising post in this whole thread........
 
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That based on RPK ?


Number of passengers carried.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:40 pm

As everyone has said 777X and A350-1000, but the question is how many?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:56 pm

The A380 and the B748 are very nice plane for BA, but with the current hub at almost sea level and with mild temperatures the 2 engine aircraft won't have big problems taking off from there, so with to order 4 engine aircraft?

I think we will see a split order because they order will be for the IAG group and IB will need few more A350 in the future, same with Aer Lingus and Level, and I think BA is quite happy with the B777-B787 combo, so A350 and B777 are quite possible, and they will really need a lot of them.

I think BA also has to order more narrowbody the IAG group, with the current order they don't have enough, however I think that will be for sure to Airbus,

I know BA has a very slot restricted hub, but is it that bad for BA?? maybe it's even good, they can charge a lot of money for tickets and get no competition in many markets, if they new Terminal and runway project go Ahead BA will be the ones paying most of that with airport taxes and that's not good for business, BA CEO is against the project.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:05 pm

If i can read correctly in my crystal ball, i would bet on a small A380 order (around 10 aircrafts) followed by a light increase of the production rate by Airbus (or a slower decrease). Can't tell about the rest of the order.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:05 pm

I'd wager it will be a Boeing order of 777-9s and maybe more 787-10s.

BA don't really have the kind of long-and-thin routes that need A350-900s, or the ULR routes that need 777-8s.
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:13 pm

Andy33 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much.

Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER.

For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make sense.

The 747s are almost accounted for already, with 18 A350-1000s and 12 787-10s. That leaves just 6 747-400s unaccounted for.

Well, they've placed an order to remove the three remaining 772-nonER entirely from the fleet. Back in November 2016 they told their investors that the 772ERs would have a 30 year life. If that's still the case, they don't need any replacement for them until starting 2027 and 2018 seems a bit early to be placing an order. The investors aren't going to be best pleased if all that capital investment has been brought nearer to today (should the policy have changed) without any advance warning.

The timing of 787-10 and A35K deliveries as against 744 retirements suggests that there will be 12 744s still in service after the last of the current orders has arrived, so while all the A35Ks are officially declared as 744 replacements, some of those 12 787-10s may be for expansion if market conditions are right. If the expansion happens, they'll need 12 further airframes to replace the last 744s (that's how many IAG say will still be around in 2023), all for delivery before February 2024, the announced end date for 744s at BA
All that assumes that A350 and 787 deliveries happen as scheduled, and IAG doesn't change its plans...


If BA are to place an order to replace their remaining 12x 744s, it would be strange to place an order for anything less than 12 777-9s. It would be another widebody type for them, so keeping a small subfleet would not make much sense. I'm not sure when the leases of their 77W's expire, maybe BA needs to replace these leased birds too.

IF IAG orders the 777-9 for BA (and I'll believe it when I see it), would it be possible they'll simultaneously order A350-1000s for Iberia? I think IB have some A346s still to be replaced.
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:19 pm

A35K is not the one to replace 744s? That's what I heard.
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Andy33 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much.

Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER.

For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make sense.

The 747s are almost accounted for already, with 18 A350-1000s and 12 787-10s. That leaves just 6 747-400s unaccounted for.

Well, they've placed an order to remove the three remaining 772-nonER entirely from the fleet. Back in November 2016 they told their investors that the 772ERs would have a 30 year life. If that's still the case, they don't need any replacement for them until starting 2027 and 2018 seems a bit early to be placing an order. The investors aren't going to be best pleased if all that capital investment has been brought nearer to today (should the policy have changed) without any advance warning.

The timing of 787-10 and A35K deliveries as against 744 retirements suggests that there will be 12 744s still in service after the last of the current orders has arrived, so while all the A35Ks are officially declared as 744 replacements, some of those 12 787-10s may be for expansion if market conditions are right. If the expansion happens, they'll need 12 further airframes to replace the last 744s (that's how many IAG say will still be around in 2023), all for delivery before February 2024, the announced end date for 744s at BA
All that assumes that A350 and 787 deliveries happen as scheduled, and IAG doesn't change its plans...


If BA are to place an order to replace their remaining 12x 744s, it would be strange to place an order for anything less than 12 777-9s. It would be another widebody type for them, so keeping a small subfleet would not make much sense. I'm not sure when the leases of their 77W's expire, maybe BA needs to replace these leased birds too.

IF IAG orders the 777-9 for BA (and I'll believe it when I see it), would it be possible they'll simultaneously order A350-1000s for Iberia? I think IB have some A346s still to be replaced.


They are not expiring the leases on the B77W. In fact BA have just ordered 3 more new to replace the 3 oldest and last 777-200(non-ER) frames. There are two due next year (2019) and the final in 2020. They will be around for a long time yet. The 777-200ER are all getting at least 30 yrs.
 
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Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:22 pm

thgsr08 wrote:
A35K is not the one to replace 744s? That's what I heard.


Some but not all. They need some higher capacity aircraft such as the 777-9X to really replace lots of the High-J 747s with 14F/86J configurations.
 
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Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:23 pm

The problem with BA slot restrictions at LHR is that for expansion to the USA they require multiple slots since they are sending a/c to multiple airports, now if they were to upgrade their JFK terminal they could consolidate a number of their frequencies into A380's and allow their JV partner AA to handle those pax who require more options, at least they have an alternative to pax defecting to other carriers.
 
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Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:28 pm

¿Which is the real range at maximun weight for BA with the B787-10?.....¿Can do LHR-LAX within restrictions?
 
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Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:30 pm

frigatebird wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much.

Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER.

For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make sense.

The 747s are almost accounted for already, with 18 A350-1000s and 12 787-10s. That leaves just 6 747-400s unaccounted for.

Well, they've placed an order to remove the three remaining 772-nonER entirely from the fleet. Back in November 2016 they told their investors that the 772ERs would have a 30 year life. If that's still the case, they don't need any replacement for them until starting 2027 and 2018 seems a bit early to be placing an order. The investors aren't going to be best pleased if all that capital investment has been brought nearer to today (should the policy have changed) without any advance warning.

The timing of 787-10 and A35K deliveries as against 744 retirements suggests that there will be 12 744s still in service after the last of the current orders has arrived, so while all the A35Ks are officially declared as 744 replacements, some of those 12 787-10s may be for expansion if market conditions are right. If the expansion happens, they'll need 12 further airframes to replace the last 744s (that's how many IAG say will still be around in 2023), all for delivery before February 2024, the announced end date for 744s at BA
All that assumes that A350 and 787 deliveries happen as scheduled, and IAG doesn't change its plans...


If BA are to place an order to replace their remaining 12x 744s, it would be strange to place an order for anything less than 12 777-9s. It would be another widebody type for them, so keeping a small subfleet would not make much sense. I'm not sure when the leases of their 77W's expire, maybe BA needs to replace these leased birds too.

IF IAG orders the 777-9 for BA (and I'll believe it when I see it), would it be possible they'll simultaneously order A350-1000s for Iberia? I think IB have some A346s still to be replaced.


I see the B777-9X in IB too......
 
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Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:30 pm

BA has 18 A350-1000 on order, but don't they have another 18 options for it?

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