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Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:12 pm

Just posted on DEN’s twitter account: https://twitter.com/denairport/status/1 ... 45802?s=21
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:17 pm

DEN is thrilled to announce our 11th foreign-flag carrier

What are the other 10 ?
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:22 pm

727LOVER wrote:
DEN is thrilled to announce our 11th foreign-flag carrier

What are the other 10 ?


British Airways
Lufthansa
Icelandair
Volaris
Air Canada
Norwegian
Aeromexico
COPA
WestJet
Edelweiss
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:28 pm

This could be on their new Max8 that they are supposed to start receiving this year.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 pm

dia77 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
DEN is thrilled to announce our 11th foreign-flag carrier

What are the other 10 ?


British Airways
Lufthansa
Icelandair
Volaris
Air Canada
Norwegian
Aeromexico
COPA
WestJet
Edelweiss


I thought that (I could be wrong) Volaris,Westjet and Edelweiss are not flag carriers.
Volaris is low cost from Mexico, their flag carrier is AeroMexico.
Westjet is Canadian, their flag carrier is Air Canada.
Edelweiss are the low cost subsidiary of Swiss, their flag carrier is Swiss.
So that’s 7, I wonder who the other 3 are?
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:38 pm

Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:42 pm

Channex737 wrote:
dia77 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
DEN is thrilled to announce our 11th foreign-flag carrier

What are the other 10 ?


British Airways
Lufthansa
Icelandair
Volaris
Air Canada
Norwegian
Aeromexico
COPA
WestJet
Edelweiss


I thought that (I could be wrong) Volaris,Westjet and Edelweiss are not flag carriers.
Volaris is low cost from Mexico, their flag carrier is AeroMexico.
Westjet is Canadian, their flag carrier is Air Canada.
Edelweiss are the low cost subsidiary of Swiss, their flag carrier is Swiss.
So that’s 7, I wonder who the other 3 are?


They define it as "foreign-flag carrier". All 10 carry a foreign flag, regardless of whether it's the flag carrier of a country.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:53 pm

spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Cayman Airways (KX) is used by the Cayman gov't as a developmental tool. They use it to begin service from markets where they see potential but where service by US carriers is unlikely. I assume that their market analysis shows that this region is one that offers potential for their tourist industry.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:02 pm

spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Maybe residents in the Cayman Islands also like to ski in Colorado? So the flight might work both ways.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:04 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Maybe residents in the Cayman Islands also like to ski in Colorado? So the flight might work both ways.


maybe they'll get connecting traffic from Jamaica with their bobsled team....
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:16 pm

If this doesn’t start till March I’m guessing it’s only operating like 20x.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:20 pm

spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


They probably feel like there's adequate access to those places via the hubs from which they already have service.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:22 pm

spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Cayman is a big dive destination and Colorado one of the best producers to dive markets in the USA.

As an example note WN service to BZE from DEN. BZE is another big dive destination.

And as someone else mentioned the Government sees KX as a developmental tool.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:27 pm

This is amazing news. I cannot wait to welcome Sir Turtle to DEN. I never saw this one coming!
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:29 pm

2x weekly flights, Wednesdays and Saturdays,December-August:

https://www.caymanairways.com/DenverAnnouncement
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:42 pm

f16arm wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Maybe residents in the Cayman Islands also like to ski in Colorado? So the flight might work both ways.


maybe they'll get connecting traffic from Jamaica with their bobsled team....


I was not joking. Cayman is a tax-haven and home to an international expat community that works there or has a 2nd home in the island. Having a non-stop connection to one of the most well-off areas in the world for skiing seems like a good match. I imagine those people living there might get tired from time to time of endless tropical weather.

Even if those flights are clearly targeted to US tourists to Cayman, flying to Denver instead of, let's say, Detroit :) can create some traffic flow in the Cayman-Denver direction.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:14 pm

Denver has been on a absolute tear. They broke 200 daily destinations last week (the fourth largest US airport by destinations), are about to add another European non-stop courtesy United.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:17 pm

Gee, I sure wasn't expecting this one. I can't believe that DEN has 11 foreign flag carriers now, and I hope that maybe EK, TK, HU, NZ or maybe even KE would consider starting service to DEN someday.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:55 pm

Denver just keeps winning! Of all potential airlines to announce Denver service Cayman Airways was one of the farthest options from my mind.

However, a Caribbean route was long overdue and I'm a little surprised none of DEN's "big 3" have launched any flights to that region. In anycase, George Town will make a great and unique addition to DEN's network.

Is Cayman Airways a good quality airline? Do they have codeshares? I look forward to trying them out eventually.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 pm

I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:14 pm

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I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.

It's only about 1800 nm, a -300 should have no problem with that.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:16 pm

longhauler wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.

It's only about 1800 nm, a -300 should have no problem with that.


With a suitable alternate, that’s cutting it close. Range is 2255 nmi.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:32 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
longhauler wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.

It's only about 1800 nm, a -300 should have no problem with that.


With a suitable alternate, that’s cutting it close. Range is 2255 nmi.

GCM-DEN is 1722 nm, with a lot of close alternates. I have used PUB, COS and CYS.

I have flown a -300 YYZ-YVR (1811nm) and YUL-YVR (1994 nm) with absolutely no problem using a YYJ, SEA or YXX alternate. Heck ... I've even flown a -200 YYZ-YVR and YUL-YVR. (Probably with a YYJ alternate, as YUL-YVR was pretty tight in a -200)
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:43 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
This could be on their new Max8 that they are supposed to start receiving this year.



Doesn’t have to be the MAX8 as they already have a 738 on the line that can easily handle this. I’d imagine the MAX8 would be run on new markets like the long rumored GCM-LAX.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:50 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.


The route will be served with the upcoming 737-8MAX and the 737-300 will be retired beginning later this year.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:20 pm

The World Airline News article (https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/08/27 ... to-denver/) about this says a couple of interesting things

-Denver is home to the 6th largest scuba diving population in the US (I didn't realize they tracked those kind of micro stats....I guess in diving destinations, airlines pay attention to that kind of thing!)
-Denver is the 2nd largest US hub without service by a Caribbean airline (What is the 1st?)
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:02 pm

alan3 wrote:
-Denver is the 2nd largest US hub without service by a Caribbean airline (What is the 1st?)


LAX? The only Caribbean service I'm aware of at LAX is a seasonal Saturday-only LAX-MBJ on AA.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:03 pm

FSDan wrote:
alan3 wrote:
-Denver is the 2nd largest US hub without service by a Caribbean airline (What is the 1st?)


LAX? The only Caribbean service I'm aware of at LAX is a seasonal Saturday-only LAX-MBJ on AA.


Or ATL? Lots of service to the Caribbean, but pretty much all on DL/AF.
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:09 pm

I have never understood why Caribbean airlines like Cayman, do not fly winter seasonals to Canada. 1-3 weekly GCM-YYZ/YOW/YUL seems like a no-brainer.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:27 am

nine4nine wrote:
Doesn’t have to be the MAX8 as they already have a 738 on the line that can easily handle this. I’d imagine the MAX8 would be run on new markets like the long rumored GCM-LAX.


aemoreira1981 wrote:
I’d expect this to be on the 737-800. I doubt the -300 has the legs.


It will be on the MAX8. The 738 will be returned to the lessor once the MAX arrives. The 738 was only there for crew transition. The 737-300 will be phased out once more MAX8 arrives to the airline

FSDan wrote:
LAX? The only Caribbean service I'm aware of at LAX is a seasonal Saturday-only LAX-MBJ on AA.


I believe AA will be ending LAX-MBJ soon
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:35 am

Dominion301 wrote:
I have never understood why Caribbean airlines like Cayman, do not fly winter seasonals to Canada. 1-3 weekly GCM-YYZ/YOW/YUL seems like a no-brainer.


Don't the Canada airlines AC and WS do this?
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:11 am

This is one of those rare moments when I casually browse a.net, see something like this, and end up either sitting down or pacing back and forth in front of my laptop trying to process the rationale behind this. In other words....

W.T.F. :shock:
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:43 am

spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Does Denver have a banking industry ? Cayman Islands does a lot of ‘creative ‘ and ‘alternative ‘ banking
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:44 am

DTWorld wrote:
This is one of those rare moments when I casually browse a.net, see something like this, and end up either sitting down or pacing back and forth in front of my laptop trying to process the rationale behind this. In other words....

W.T.F. :shock:

I guess rich people like to go skiing, Denver is one of the cities that not being served by US airlines at all.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:04 am

ikarlson wrote:
DTWorld wrote:
This is one of those rare moments when I casually browse a.net, see something like this, and end up either sitting down or pacing back and forth in front of my laptop trying to process the rationale behind this. In other words....

W.T.F. :shock:

I guess rich people like to go skiing, Denver is one of the cities that not being served by US airlines at all.


"People only go to Denver for skiing" is starting to become the new "Iceland only has air service because of the fish."
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:32 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
I have never understood why Caribbean airlines like Cayman, do not fly winter seasonals to Canada. 1-3 weekly GCM-YYZ/YOW/YUL seems like a no-brainer.


It isn't a no brainer. Canadians use tour operators who buy seats on major Canadian carriers. There is no scope for a small carrier that doesn't offer the volume of seats or destinations that the majors offer. The yields are also extremely low.

BWIA used to do this on its YYZ BGI ANU UVF and had to drop this relationship as the yields were abysmal. Once they opted out of the tour operators the loads dropped so they sharply reduced service to those islands from YYZ, dropping UVF. Even Air Jamaica when it was owned by the owner of Sandals didn't pick up YYZ MBJ focusing on the VFR YYZ KIN.

Caribbean carriers focus on the VFR market. KX receives subsidies from the Cayman gov't to run market development routes. As AC already does YYZ GCM they aren't to have KX also on the route.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
I have never understood why Caribbean airlines like Cayman, do not fly winter seasonals to Canada. 1-3 weekly GCM-YYZ/YOW/YUL seems like a no-brainer.


Yes, as mentioned above, Canada to Caribbean and sun traffic is heavily dominated by package tour travel through AC, WG and WS. The few Caribbean airlines that fly to Canada (BW and OJ) are more geared towards the Caribbean immigrant population not tourists.
 
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Re: Cayman Airways to Denver

Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Galwayman wrote:
spinkid wrote:
Interesting. I wonder why Denver. There are lots of cities closer that they don't serve. It will utilize an aircraft for leisure fares for a while. For example, the same plane could probably make 2 turns to somewhere in the Southeast U.S. instead of one to Denver.


Does Denver have a banking industry ? Cayman Islands does a lot of ‘creative ‘ and ‘alternative ‘ banking


Actually, sort of. Denver, and the state of Colorado has a banking problem. All the money they earn selling legalized Cannabis can only be held in Colorado banks, due to federal laws about the drug. That's just speculation on my part.

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