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Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:40 pm
by WNflyer1523
https://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/ ... 7347f.html
2x weekly service to ORD and 3x weekly to DEN starting in November on an A320. Interested to see how this works out.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:49 pm
by LHUSA
F9 should really considering entering this competition....

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_PDC_World_Darts_Championship>

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:50 pm
by enilria
WNflyer1523 wrote:
https://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/local_news/frontier-airlines-coming-to-harlingen-airport/article_6d6fadae-aadc-11e8-b03d-a3f014a7347f.html
2x weekly service to ORD and 3x weekly to DEN starting in November on an A320. Interested to see how this works out.

I think in Winter it works depending on the schedule

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:55 pm
by Frontier14
LHUSA wrote:
F9 should really considering entering this competition....

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_PDC_World_Darts_Championship>


Darn how many more southern dart targets are still available for F9 to try? They are helping to keep routes-on-line in business :hyper:

Frontier 14

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:17 pm
by evank516
Whoa...HRL. And WN announces MDW in 3...2...1...(just kidding)

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:18 pm
by SurfandSnow
HRL has supported WN for over 40 years, while UA just added ORD-BRO. To be sure, crazier things have happened than this!

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:36 pm
by spinkid
OK.
DEN makes sense since that offers lots of connections.
ORD? that confuses me. I would have expected LAS, MCO or anywhere else in Florida.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:42 pm
by flyguy84
UA already announced BRO-ORD service so this must be an attempt to erode that...

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:58 pm
by IFlyVeryLittle
Also added SRQ-PHL two days a week, beginning in december.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:03 pm
by TWA772LR
flyguy84 wrote:
UA already announced BRO-ORD service so this must be an attempt to erode that...

SY also does MSP-HRL seasonal. The RGV is popular with northerners.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:08 pm
by evank516
TWA772LR wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
UA already announced BRO-ORD service so this must be an attempt to erode that...

SY also does MSP-HRL seasonal. The RGV is popular with northerners.


As does DL.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:21 pm
by ScottB
WNflyer1523 wrote:
2x weekly service to ORD and 3x weekly to DEN starting in November on an A320. Interested to see how this works out.


I can see it working for those interested in warmer weather in the RGV or the beaches of South Padre. The main issue would be building awareness outside of Texas.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:17 pm
by TWA1985
spinkid wrote:
OK.
DEN makes sense since that offers lots of connections.
ORD? that confuses me. I would have expected LAS, MCO or anywhere else in Florida.


Why wouldn’t ORD make sense? It’s a focus city for Frontier with service to:

Cancún, Charleston, Denver, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, Orlando, Pensacola, Phoenix, Punta Cana, Colorado Springs, El Paso, Fort Myers, Long Island/Islip, Miami, Palm Springs, Puerto Vallarta, San José del Cabo, Syracuse, Tampa, Trenton and how Harlingen.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:18 pm
by 727LOVER
No one has mentioned it...but HRL is F9's 100th destination
:praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :birthday:

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:28 pm
by zackary747
LHUSA wrote:
F9 should really considering entering this competition....

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_PDC_World_Darts_Championship>


I heard that Frontier has special seasonal darts that disappear without warning. :D

Seriously tho, I wish Frontier would let people know when a seasonal route isn't going to return.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:56 am
by DFWAviator76
flyguy84 wrote:
UA already announced BRO-ORD service so this must be an attempt to erode that...


I follow Texas aviation pretty closely but wasn't aware of that. Wonder why UA went with BRO instead of MFE or HRL? Seems like the other two airports are more convenient for most of the Valley.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:06 am
by rph99
727LOVER wrote:
No one has mentioned it...but HRL is F9's 100th destination
:praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :birthday:



Such exciting news! Of course Frontier has a plethora of flaws but I still love them. I just have a strong connection with them because I’ve lived in Denver my entire life...they have always been my go to airline.


I do wish their 100th destination was an airport I’ve heard of tho. I had never heard of HRL until today’s announcement.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:54 am
by F9LASDEN
rph99 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
No one has mentioned it...but HRL is F9's 100th destination
:praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :birthday:



Such exciting news! Of course Frontier has a plethora of flaws but I still love them. I just have a strong connection with them because I’ve lived in Denver my entire life...they have always been my go to airline.


I do wish their 100th destination was an airport I’ve heard of tho. I had never heard of HRL until today’s announcement.


I love F9 too. I lived in Denver for my entire life too (until moving to Las Vegas last summer, another F9 focus city) and they’ve been my go-to carrier for quite awhile and will continue to be for the foreseeable future (I even hit Elite status for this year and am on track to do so again next year). True that they’re not without their quirks or flaws, but they’re not enough for personally to stop flying them (though I could see people in residing in cities where they’ve quickly entered and exited a lot of markets to be more wary of them; luckily DEN and LAS both are pretty stable). I’m personally excited about them hitting 100 destinations and for what F9’s future may hold.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:27 pm
by rph99
F9LASDEN wrote:
rph99 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
No one has mentioned it...but HRL is F9's 100th destination
:praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :praise: :birthday:



Such exciting news! Of course Frontier has a plethora of flaws but I still love them. I just have a strong connection with them because I’ve lived in Denver my entire life...they have always been my go to airline.


I do wish their 100th destination was an airport I’ve heard of tho. I had never heard of HRL until today’s announcement.


I love F9 too. I lived in Denver for my entire life too (until moving to Las Vegas last summer, another F9 focus city) and they’ve been my go-to carrier for quite awhile and will continue to be for the foreseeable future (I even hit Elite status for this year and am on track to do so again next year). True that they’re not without their quirks or flaws, but they’re not enough for personally to stop flying them (though I could see people in residing in cities where they’ve quickly entered and exited a lot of markets to be more wary of them; luckily DEN and LAS both are pretty stable). I’m personally excited about them hitting 100 destinations and for what F9’s future may hold.



My #1 hope is that they bring back the Animal Tail commercials. They are such iconic commercials and really set them apart from a marketing standpoint.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:49 pm
by F9LASDEN
rph99 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
rph99 wrote:


Such exciting news! Of course Frontier has a plethora of flaws but I still love them. I just have a strong connection with them because I’ve lived in Denver my entire life...they have always been my go to airline.


I do wish their 100th destination was an airport I’ve heard of tho. I had never heard of HRL until today’s announcement.


I love F9 too. I lived in Denver for my entire life too (until moving to Las Vegas last summer, another F9 focus city) and they’ve been my go-to carrier for quite awhile and will continue to be for the foreseeable future (I even hit Elite status for this year and am on track to do so again next year). True that they’re not without their quirks or flaws, but they’re not enough for personally to stop flying them (though I could see people in residing in cities where they’ve quickly entered and exited a lot of markets to be more wary of them; luckily DEN and LAS both are pretty stable). I’m personally excited about them hitting 100 destinations and for what F9’s future may hold.



My #1 hope is that they bring back the Animal Tail commercials. They are such iconic commercials and really set them apart from a marketing standpoint.


I loved those commercials and hope to see them return sometime as well. They still use the animals in their marketing, and I like that their current livery features the animal tail names painted on the planes, but nothing really compares to those commercials.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:18 pm
by spinkid
If you want to have a fun time. Take a look at their route map. It's pretty dizzying

https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/my-trips/route-map/

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:45 pm
by gustywinds
The map is a mess and is never up to date. They still haven’t added HSV, LFT etc. The app has an interactive map but it’s never up to date and is missing cities.

This link does show city pair options available, not nonstops, but what one could book -

https://flights.flyfrontier.com/en/site ... hts/page-1

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:56 pm
by MIflyer12
spinkid wrote:
OK.
DEN makes sense since that offers lots of connections.
ORD? that confuses me. I would have expected LAS, MCO or anywhere else in Florida.


Ask the Mexican Consulate in Chicago how many 1st generation immigrants from Mexico are living in Chicagoland. Ask how many are from the lower Rio Grande Valley.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:36 pm
by DDR
spinkid wrote:
If you want to have a fun time. Take a look at their route map. It's pretty dizzying

https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/my-trips/route-map/


WOW. How many planes do they have? Looks like they must have a huge fleet to operate that many routes. I'm curious how the trips are created for the crews since they have so much non base flying.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:49 pm
by alggag
DDR wrote:
spinkid wrote:
If you want to have a fun time. Take a look at their route map. It's pretty dizzying

https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/my-trips/route-map/


WOW. How many planes do they have? Looks like they must have a huge fleet to operate that many routes. I'm curious how the trips are created for the crews since they have so much non base flying.


The route network becomes less impressive when you consider that many flights are 1x per day or less.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:14 pm
by alasizon
alggag wrote:
DDR wrote:
spinkid wrote:
If you want to have a fun time. Take a look at their route map. It's pretty dizzying

https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/my-trips/route-map/


WOW. How many planes do they have? Looks like they must have a huge fleet to operate that many routes. I'm curious how the trips are created for the crews since they have so much non base flying.


The route network becomes less impressive when you consider that many flights are 1x per day or less.


And even less impressive once you realize that there are a bunch of Volaris routes included in there as well.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:39 am
by axiom
Beyond the fact that a third of the routes on that map will be gone (or different) in three months, I can't help but chuckle at how utterly useless the map is at actually conveying where they fly. Strictly from an information communication perspective, all it really says is "mess". ;-)

I don't mean this as a dig -- they're profitable and innovative, so more power to them for being creative.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:28 pm
by DENflyer10
Story out of local paper in Harlingen regarding city's air service development program incentives that lured F9 and soon AA to HRL and whether or not they will stay once the tap runs dry.

F9 load factors are around 79% which is healthy for these infant markets between HRL and DEN, ORD. However F9 spokeswoman's response should keep us on our toes until the market demand can prove itself long term.

“We are happy with our performance in Harlingen and we will continue to fly the new routes that we started in winter into our summer 2019 schedule,” spokeswoman Kelsey Hustead stated.

The response failed to directly answer the question of whether the airliner will remain in Harlingen.


https://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/ ... 6f406.html

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:37 pm
by freakyrat
DENflyer10 wrote:
Story out of local paper in Harlingen regarding city's air service development program incentives that lured F9 and soon AA to HRL and whether or not they will stay once the tap runs dry.

F9 load factors are around 79% which is healthy for these infant markets between HRL and DEN, ORD. However F9 spokeswoman's response should keep us on our toes until the market demand can prove itself long term.

“We are happy with our performance in Harlingen and we will continue to fly the new routes that we started in winter into our summer 2019 schedule,” spokeswoman Kelsey Hustead stated.

The response failed to directly answer the question of whether the airliner will remain in Harlingen.


https://www.valleymorningstar.com/news/ ... 6f406.html


Before F9 became n ULCC they were flying DEN-SBN 3X weekly on a 130 seat A319 and averaged LF's of 84%. They flew the route for 9 months and left. They were given 750,000 in incentives which they didn't use. They flew close to 22,000 passengers in and 22,000 passengers out on 192 flights With average fares of $118.00 each way that is a little over 5 million gross. Do not know what their operating costs or yields were but they had to make a profit. When they decided to become a ULCC and give up connecting passengers in Denver that's when they left. F9 could still make this work seasonally as they boarded most of their passengers during the months of MAR-SEP. Because of F9's demonstrated loads out of the airport AA has moved back with service to CLT and DFW and after a slow first month start has been successful. So you kind of wonder what dartboard F9 uses and how they judge the success of their strategy.

Re: Frontier announces HRL

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:23 pm
by WaywardMemphian
All if this is exactly why they re entered BKg last year and returning again. Lots of locals want year round. Again it was doing very well but that shift in focus cut the route. F9 and AirTran/Southwest had hit 115k enplanements from BKG a year before Southwest gutted the route and Frontier went ULCC.

Silver Dollar City had record breaking crowds this winter and Frontier missed most of it as sercice ended for the year in early Nov. Gotta carry it through to New Year Day and crank it back up for Spring Break travel.