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Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 7, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:27 pm

Word is circulating CMH will be announcing new service tomorrow at 9:30am. It's unclear if it's airline AND destination or one or the other and CMH's social media is mum as usual (they've tended to promote day-of before), but whatever it'll be has led to a press release inviting the media. (In other words, it's not a F9 dart throw, random point-to-point add, or a 5k. I think they learned their lesson with the 5k. :rotfl: )

For context, the airport has long sought service to SEA, SFO, SAN, and SLC, as well as a TATL flight of some sort. CMH-SLC was announced in April to return in 2019, so...AS to SEA and/or SFO? DL to AMS? The return of B6?
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:40 pm

My guess is as to sea
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:42 pm

If it's AS announcing SEA -- I'd love it to also include SAN but I doubt it -- then AS will have an announcement at the same time (if not earlier.) AS tends to announce new routes on Wed mornings (early) so that would fit. And of course AS is supposed to be making some new-route announcements soon -- there's a thread on that.

Whatever it is, good for Columbus -- new service at any level is a great thing!

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:45 pm

AS typically does route announcements on Wednesdays...just saying.

EDIT: Looks like someone beat me to it. Going straight to the point, my money's on AS to SEA, with an outside chance of SFO as well.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:48 pm

Casablanca airport? The longed Chinese route?
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:54 pm

AS to SEA makes a lot of sense. Wasn't IND announced near a similar time last year?
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:03 pm

AS to SEA sounds likely as they have alot of slack in their fleet coming up. That would be my first Guess

DL has announced SLC will return so that also is pretty high odds
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:04 pm

Since they recently announced a 5k, will they announce a 10k in the near future :mrgreen: Hopefully it is something good though
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:18 pm

Could also be the Aer Lingus route that got thrown around a couple weeks ago.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:23 pm

I’m pulling for UA nonstop service to SFO. It’s long overdue.

Also adding some mainlines in the IAD-CMH mix would be great. Whenever I’ve been on that route in the past, it’s been beyond full on the CRJs.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:24 pm

With the number of cities besides SEA on the coast that AS is now growing to some degree -- PDX, SFO, SJC, LAX, SAN, all hubs and focus cities -- I wonder if the days of AAG announcing a single new route (SEA) from their new cities (a la TPA, IND, PIT, ICT, etc.) are over. It would seem to me better to start at least 2 routes from new cities in order to more quickly recoup the costs of opening that new station.

I'm sure AS figures SEA will do fine from any new station they add, but why not start another route at the same time?

All I'm saying is if tomorrow's announcement IS in fact AS to SEA, I wouldn't be totally shocked if a second AS route from CMH is also announced. (I know, I know, I would really like it to be SAN but being realistic, it won't be...) That reminds me, I need to check and see if CMH-west coast is within range of their EMJ?

I also wonder if the route won't start for 11 months, like PIT? (Announced on 11/15/17 with service to start 9/6/18!)

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:38 pm

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I'm sure AS figures SEA will do fine from any new station they add, but why not start another route at the same time?


My first thought when AS and VX merged was this. UA has added SFO to literally every similarly-sized city in the region except CMH. Maybe AS pulls the trigger on both.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:26 pm

SANFan wrote:
All I'm saying is if tomorrow's announcement IS in fact AS to SEA, I wouldn't be totally shocked if a second AS route from CMH is also announced. (I know, I know, I would really like it to be SAN but being realistic, it won't be...) That reminds me, I need to check and see if CMH-west coast is within range of their EMJ?


CMH is too far east from SAN to be served nonstop from SAN on an E-175 regional jet since CMH is 1964 miles east of SAN.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:41 pm

Well, personally I think these are the possibilities

UA to SFO
AS or DL to SEA (I think AS is more likely)
DL to AMS/CDG

It's gotta be one of these, I don't know what else could be worthy of a press conference announcement.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:43 pm

It is Alaska. Don't have the exact start date, but shows next summer 1x daily on Airbus.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:55 pm

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It is Alaska. Don't have the exact start date, but shows next summer 1x daily on Airbus.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:15 pm

It is AS.

Route starts March 4. Daily non-stop from SEA.
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Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:16 pm

https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable.

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:16 pm

Made a separate thread on it: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402645
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: AS adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:18 pm

FA9295 wrote:
https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable. (Hence, why I put "unconfirmed" in the title of this thread)

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)



Looks like some of those SFO Airbuses age being moved around a bit.


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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:19 pm

If somebody in their scheduling department really wanted to have a twisted sense of humor, they could schedule the inaugural on one of the two A319s which once belonged to Skybus.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:20 pm

If somebody in their scheduling department really wanted to have a twisted sense of humor, they could schedule the inaugural on one of the two A319s which once belonged to Skybus.

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Re: AS adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:26 pm

LOL they got the year wrong it wasn't 1692 it was 1492
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Re: AS adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:28 pm

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LOL they got the year wrong it wasn't 1692 it was 1492


Oops. At least they got the IND flight 500 correct.


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Re: AS adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:28 pm

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klm617 wrote:
LOL they got the year wrong it wasn't 1692 it was 1492


Oops. At least they got the IND flight 500 correct.


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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:30 pm

Seems to be kind of a trend lately with AS -- loading new routes before the official announcement. (It happened last with SAN-GEG a while back.)

Whish is kind of nice for A.netters as it allows us to discover things before they're officially announced!

Well, no offence to CMH but to me, the fact that this is the first Ohio airport served by AS is quite interesting to me. Or maybe I've got things confused about size of cities in Ohio?

Anyway, that being said, congrats to CMH on landing AAG! Hopefully there will be further AS destinations added in the future.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:36 pm

BA wrote:
It is AS.
Route starts March 4. Daily non-stop from SEA.

Slight correction: start date is Thursday, March 7.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:37 pm

SANFan wrote:
BA wrote:
It is AS.
Route starts March 4. Daily non-stop from SEA.

Slight correction: start date is Thursday, March 7.

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I'm seeing March 1st.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:38 pm

SANFan wrote:
Seems to be kind of a trend lately with AS -- loading new routes before the official announcement. (It happened last with SAN-GEG a while back.)

Whish is kind of nice for A.netters as it allows us to discover things before they're officially announced!

Well, no offence to CMH but to me, the fact that this is the first Ohio airport served by AS is quite interesting to me. Or maybe I've got things confused about size of cities in Ohio?

Anyway, that being said, congrats to CMH on landing AAG! Hopefully there will be further AS destinations added in the future.

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Columbus is centrally located, 2 hours from most Ohio cities on all sides, and is the fastest growing metro area / youngest / educated / blah blah. Makes sense for their first dive into Ohio, to be honest.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:41 pm

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SANFan wrote:
Seems to be kind of a trend lately with AS -- loading new routes before the official announcement. (It happened last with SAN-GEG a while back.)

Whish is kind of nice for A.netters as it allows us to discover things before they're officially announced!

Well, no offence to CMH but to me, the fact that this is the first Ohio airport served by AS is quite interesting to me. Or maybe I've got things confused about size of cities in Ohio?

Anyway, that being said, congrats to CMH on landing AAG! Hopefully there will be further AS destinations added in the future.

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Columbus is centrally located, 2 hours from most Ohio cities on all sides, and is the fastest growing metro area / youngest / educated / blah blah. Makes sense for their first dive into Ohio, to be honest.


Yeah, CMH is the tech city of Ohio.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:43 pm

Slight correction: according to AS's online schedules, the start date is March 7, 2019.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:45 pm

Columbus is the largest city in Ohio as well as it's state capital. It's also very fast growing.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:48 pm

I'm still seeing the start date as March 1st. Other people have said March 4th and March 7th. IDK......¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:49 pm

I'm also seeing 3-1-19.

We'll know tomorrow morning. I'm surprised they loaded it before the announcement.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:58 pm

A perfectly logical addition for AS. I wouldn't be surprised if B6 gives CMH another shot too.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:01 am

Okay, thank you all for the info; CMH makes sense then.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:05 am

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Okay, thank you all for the info; CMH makes sense then.

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I figure it's a big longshot but, for whatever it might be worth, Columbus is also one of the cities still in the running for HQ2.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:51 am

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Columbus is the largest city in Ohio as well as it's state capital. It's also very fast growing.


It's not the largest as far as metro area or CSA go (Cleveland is), but it is more of a growing economic center with expendable income.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:58 am

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BA wrote:
Columbus is the largest city in Ohio as well as it's state capital. It's also very fast growing.


It's not the largest as far as metro area or CSA go (Cleveland is), but it is more of a growing economic center with expendable income.


The Columbus metro surpassed the Cleveland metro last year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... eland.html
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:26 am

BA wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
BA wrote:
Columbus is the largest city in Ohio as well as it's state capital. It's also very fast growing.


It's not the largest as far as metro area or CSA go (Cleveland is), but it is more of a growing economic center with expendable income.


The Columbus metro surpassed the Cleveland metro last year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... eland.html


Congrats to Columbus fliers! Nice add. The airport and area desperately needs more West Coast service.

BA, Cleveland is still quite larger due to the proximity of Akron and Canton. The Cleveland CSA is the largest metro in the state. The article is wrong, Cleveland-Akron has about 750k more people than Columbus.
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:33 am

izbtmnhd wrote:
BA wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:

It's not the largest as far as metro area or CSA go (Cleveland is), but it is more of a growing economic center with expendable income.


The Columbus metro surpassed the Cleveland metro last year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... eland.html


Congrats to Columbus fliers! Nice add. The airport and area desperately needs more West Coast service.

BA, Cleveland is still quite larger due to the proximity of Akron and Canton. The Cleveland CSA is the largest metro in the state.


izbtmnhd, did you open the article I referenced?
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:35 am

BA wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
BA wrote:

The Columbus metro surpassed the Cleveland metro last year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/ne ... eland.html


Congrats to Columbus fliers! Nice add. The airport and area desperately needs more West Coast service.

BA, Cleveland is still quite larger due to the proximity of Akron and Canton. The Cleveland CSA is the largest metro in the state.


izbtmnhd, did you open the article I referenced?


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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:42 am

"Northeast Ohio" is the most populated region of the state, but is composed of several different metro areas, principally Cleveland and Akron, which are not a combined MSA. This is somewhat accounted for in the larger CSA numbers. That said, the region is stagnant at best. Central Ohio, home to Columbus, has traditionally been smaller than both NE and SW Ohio (Cleveland and Cincinnati), but is fast growing and currently the dominant engine of economic and population growth within the state
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:47 am

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"Northeast Ohio" is the most populated region of the state, but is composed of several different metro areas, principally Cleveland and Akron, which are not a combined MSA. This is somewhat accounted for in the larger CSA numbers. That said, the region is stagnant at best. Central Ohio, home to Columbus, has traditionally been smaller than both NE and SW Ohio (Cleveland and Cincinnati), but is fast growing and currently the dominant engine of economic and population growth within the state


Cleveland’s suburbs merge with Akron which is why it’s a CSA. Likewise Akron and Canton.

Columbus is faster growing no doubt.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:01 am

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If somebody in their scheduling department really wanted to have a twisted sense of humor, they could schedule the inaugural on one of the two A319s which once belonged to Skybus.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:21 am

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:29 am

You're both right. CSAs and MSAs are flawed and imperfect ways of estimating a market for aviation service. The important questions are always 1. How many people live within a distance of X from an airport, 2. How often to they fly, and 3. Where do they fly?

There's really no point in splitting hairs. I'm inclined to support the view that CLE has a larger catchment, even if CMH is posing stronger growth.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:36 am

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You're both right. CSAs and MSAs are flawed and imperfect ways of estimating a market for aviation service. The important questions are always 1. How many people live within a distance of X from an airport, 2. How often to they fly, and 3. Where do they fly?

There's really no point in splitting hairs. I'm inclined to support the view that CLE has a larger catchment, even if CMH is posing stronger growth.


Fair point. I did not see he was talking about CSA (Combined Statistical Areas).

The Cleveland-Akron-Canton CSA has two commercial airports also, CLE and CAK.

I tend to think CSAs sometimes overstretch themselves, but when it comes to airport catchment, it's probably an appropriate measurement.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:47 am

Is there a subsidy involved?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:00 am

Perfect timing. My daughter was just asked to be a bridesmaid near Columbus in May and is an AS ff. Hopefully they have some intro fares.
Last edited by PlanesNTrains on Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
-Dave


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