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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:00 am

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Is there a subsidy involved?


We might know tomorrow. The formal announcement is at 9:30am Eastern and I think CMH's Facebook live streamed the NK announcement.
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Re: Unconfirmed: AS adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:20 am

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https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable. (Hence, why I put "unconfirmed" in the title of this thread)

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)



Looks like some of those SFO Airbuses age being moved around a bit.

I've seen a LOT of Airbuses lately at SEA flying a lot of traditional AS routes. Also, they were recently allocated to the D-concourse. But nowadays, I've seen them park at C-Concourse as well.

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:29 am

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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:44 am

CMH has been on the AS radar for over a year & the Airbus is the right aircraft for this route. I knew the first foray into Ohio would be CMH ... I was told at least. Glad it's out there now.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:23 am

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https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable.

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)


Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:45 am

Does AS have an a320 MX base at SEA? Or do they all have to make it back to SFO every couple days?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:53 am

RWA380 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable.

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)


Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?


As much as I like Columbus as I work there a lot I just don't see them getting HQ2, most likely they are getting the route as the population in Columbus and surrounding areas have exploded as many people in surrounding areas of Ohio have moved towards the capital and many other companies have put some offices here that don't need to be in larger cities such as JPM they have a sizable presence in CMH as well as a Facebook data center is being opened up in 2019. Now if only one of the US3 would put a mainline flight there from New York instead of their E-jets.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:35 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable.

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)


Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?


As much as I like Columbus as I work there a lot I just don't see them getting HQ2, most likely they are getting the route as the population in Columbus and surrounding areas have exploded as many people in surrounding areas of Ohio have moved towards the capital and many other companies have put some offices here that don't need to be in larger cities such as JPM they have a sizable presence in CMH as well as a Facebook data center is being opened up in 2019. Now if only one of the US3 would put a mainline flight there from New York instead of their E-jets.

Why tho? E175 is way more comfortable than a320 or 737
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:00 pm

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Insertnamehere wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?


As much as I like Columbus as I work there a lot I just don't see them getting HQ2, most likely they are getting the route as the population in Columbus and surrounding areas have exploded as many people in surrounding areas of Ohio have moved towards the capital and many other companies have put some offices here that don't need to be in larger cities such as JPM they have a sizable presence in CMH as well as a Facebook data center is being opened up in 2019. Now if only one of the US3 would put a mainline flight there from New York instead of their E-jets.

Why tho? E175 is way more comfortable than a320 or 737
The E175 doesn't have the legs. With A vs B, at least the A320 has AVOD...for now.

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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:03 pm

Do these evening arrivals into SEA work? There can't be all that many options for connections.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:06 pm

As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:06 pm

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Insertnamehere wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?


As much as I like Columbus as I work there a lot I just don't see them getting HQ2, most likely they are getting the route as the population in Columbus and surrounding areas have exploded as many people in surrounding areas of Ohio have moved towards the capital and many other companies have put some offices here that don't need to be in larger cities such as JPM they have a sizable presence in CMH as well as a Facebook data center is being opened up in 2019. Now if only one of the US3 would put a mainline flight there from New York instead of their E-jets.

Why tho? E175 is way more comfortable than a320 or 737



Also CMH is one of Republic’s largest MX and Crew bases,
This means it’s advantageous for Repubic to ask the big three for more frequent than normal rotations through there, hence why the heavy EJet rotations through there for the big three (similar to IND) especially from large east coast city’s where it could easily go either way...
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:09 pm

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RWA380 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule/

For Origin, type "SEA"
For Destination, type "CMH"

For Departure date, select "March 1, 2019"

Currently not bookable yet, but is showing up in the timetable.

AS1692 SEA-CMH: 9:45 AM - 5:15 PM (Airbus A320)
AS1693 CMH-SEA: 6:15 PM - 8:25 PM (Airbus A320)


Good catch, isn't Columbus in the running for Amazon HQ2? A n/s flight to SEA is one of the requirements for Amazons interest, maybe it is being subsidized by CMH in hopes that they get the new HQ?


As much as I like Columbus as I work there a lot I just don't see them getting HQ2, most likely they are getting the route as the population in Columbus and surrounding areas have exploded as many people in surrounding areas of Ohio have moved towards the capital and many other companies have put some offices here that don't need to be in larger cities such as JPM they have a sizable presence in CMH as well as a Facebook data center is being opened up in 2019. Now if only one of the US3 would put a mainline flight there from New York instead of their E-jets.


Alright, I'll bite because I enjoy these conversations where external business drivers, bring new routes to fruition. At the time that Amazon provided us with their top 20 candidates, only two of them were without a non-stop flight to Seattle. Since then AS introduced the only non-stops from Seattle to Pittsburgh & now Columbus.

IIRC AS had announced or even started serving both BNA & IND before Amazon pared it down to 20 final candidates.

This leaves no more of the top 20 without a non-stop to Seattle.

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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:14 pm

Official story up: http://www.dispatch.com/business/201808 ... a-airlines

A representative from the Columbus Partnership will be at the 9:30am press conference, indicating some money was probably spent on this.

ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


If anything, I think this might increase the chances of SFO because AS could start it. UA sure as hell has played with the idea of CMH-SFO with about the same level of enthusiasm as the US did the Metric system.

As for connections, I think PIT's flight is similiarly-timed.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:18 pm

ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:18 pm

Columbus might be in the running for HQ2, but if we learned anything from he movie Ready Player One, Columbus will be the world's fastest growing city soon. :-)

Good addition to the network.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:30 pm

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If anything, I think this might increase the chances of SFO because AS could start it. As for connections, I think PIT's flight is similiarly-timed.


From your lips to Oscar's ears! If PIT, CVG & DTW can have UA SFO nonstop service, there is no reason why CMH can't support it.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:39 pm

Also, I believe NE Ohio traffic will help drive this flight in the winter as there is no non-stop option there during the "slow" season but plenty of demand.

Good pick up for CMH even if they had use a subsidy.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:40 pm

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IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Hope you're right. I just don't see if you want to go CMH - SAN or SFO or SLC, etc. how taking AS, connecting in SEA & arriving close to midnight is going to be appealing. But if these other cities are making it work, then great!

I've thought for years that UA has been making a huge error by not having SFO service, especially with the pretty respectable Asian corporate presence in central Ohio, let alone the pretty healthy demand for service to the west coast.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:40 pm

zackary747 wrote:
ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:42 pm

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ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


B6's flight scheudle wasn't ideal but CMHs support of the lunacy which was Skybus along with the global recession drove B6 away. B6 seems to be doing well in CLE, I think it's just a matter of time before they come to CMH again.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:46 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


B6's flight scheudle wasn't ideal but CMHs support of the lunacy which was Skybus along with the global recession drove B6 away. B6 seems to be doing well in CLE, I think it's just a matter of time before they come to CMH again.


WN is said to be struggling on CMH-BOS so, if done right, I wonder if B6 jumping back on the route (in addition to DL with multiple E75s already) could be a knockout blow.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:47 pm

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zackary747 wrote:
ricport wrote:
As happy as I am for my beloved hometown, I wish it was UA finally announcing long-overdue service to SFO.

Nevertheless, hope this is a success, but don't see how one flight per day leaving CMH so late & not getting in to SEA to be much of a use for west-coast connections will work. B6 had the same issues when they served CMH... Absolutely lousy flight times to BOS that nobody wanted. Then, they pulled service altogether instead of fixing it.


IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:48 pm

ricport wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Hope you're right. I just don't see if you want to go CMH - SAN or SFO or SLC, etc. how taking AS, connecting in SEA & arriving close to midnight is going to be appealing. But if these other cities are making it work, then great!

I've thought for years that UA has been making a huge error by not having SFO service, especially with the pretty respectable Asian corporate presence in central Ohio, let alone the pretty healthy demand for service to the west coast.


Yeah, I am not denying the connections are pretty crappy but there should be enough O&D demand to make it work (People with SEA as the final destination.)

I also heard that a lot of people on the IND-SEA flight connect to PDX FYI.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:52 pm

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zackary747 wrote:

IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


How much of that double SFO is a leftover from the market created in part by the CO/UA hub, though? CMH will have 3x daily (2 AA, 1 DL) to LAX beginning in November.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:56 pm

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IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


It is a growing tech city. I know IND was on the top 5 for growth last year and I think CMH is in the top 10 somewhere if I remember correctly. Is there enough O&D tech demand to SEA from CMH? I don't know for sure but we'll find out when the flight starts.

I think CMH could handle 1x daily to SFO but the business community, local govt., and airport need to collaborate to get it.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:57 pm

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Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


How much of that double SFO is a leftover from the market created in part by the CO/UA hub, though? CMH will have 3x daily (2 AA, 1 DL) to LAX beginning in November.


Sure, I won't argue the UA/CO legacy although it's driven mostly by O&D now. Nobody is really connecting through CLE anymore.

LAX 3x daily is impressive but LA isn't really a tech hub.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:04 pm

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Also, I believe NE Ohio traffic will help drive this flight in the winter as there is no non-stop option there during the "slow" season but plenty of demand...


Not likely. People from CLE aren't going spend 2 hrs on the road for a flight to SEA when they could just as easily spend 2 hrs connecting somewhere and using that time to work, read, watch a movie or whatever in their connecting airport--and not spend 4 hours of gas money (round trip) and pay for parking at CMH if they would otherwise use Uber/Lyft to CLE. Some people do drive to other airports for certain flights, but this isn't one of those cases.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:07 pm

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IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Hope you're right. I just don't see if you want to go CMH - SAN or SFO or SLC, etc. how taking AS, connecting in SEA & arriving close to midnight is going to be appealing. But if these other cities are making it work, then great!

I've thought for years that UA has been making a huge error by not having SFO service, especially with the pretty respectable Asian corporate presence in central Ohio, let alone the pretty healthy demand for service to the west coast.


Yeah, I am not denying the connections are pretty crappy but there should be enough O&D demand to make it work (People with SEA as the final destination.)

I also heard that a lot of people on the IND-SEA flight connect to PDX FYI.


I would guess the expectation for connections is largely CMH-SEA-EUG types vs CMH-SEA-SAN.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:09 pm

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Also, I believe NE Ohio traffic will help drive this flight in the winter as there is no non-stop option there during the "slow" season but plenty of demand...


Not likely. People from CLE aren't going spend 2 hrs on the road for a flight to SEA when they could just as easily spend 2 hrs connecting somewhere and using that time to work, read, watch a movie or whatever in their connecting airport--and not spend 4 hours of gas money (round trip) and pay for parking at CMH if they would otherwise use Uber/Lyft to CLE. Some people do drive to other airports for certain flights, but this isn't one of those cases.


I don't think it's a zero number, greenair727. Downtown Cleveland to CMH is about 125 mostly traffic-free miles on I-71. Although some in the area will also drive the Turnpikes to PIT as it's a bit closer.

I agree there are plenty of connection options through UA and WN though. We'll see.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:11 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
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zackary747 wrote:

IND and RDU have similar flight times and both of those routes have been a huge success. BNA had same flight times initially if I am not mistaken, but now AS does multiple daily flights there in the summer. IND has 2 flights (one on AS, one on DL) with the same flight times and both flights have been doing well. Since CMH is the tech city of Ohio, as long as there are enough business people having SEA as their final destination there will not be a problem as connections won't be needed for them.

Yeah, I don't understand why CMH doesn't have SFO yet. If I was a CMH flyer I would be really annoyed about that.


Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


JP Morgan Chase has a campus of around 5,000 for technology personnel from a news article I have read, Facebook is building a data centre opening next year, and CMH is trying to position itself as a new startup city which it can be as they have good feed from OSU and lower taxes than many other states in the region. You also have good size corporate presence outside of tech or financials as you have both Wendys and Nationwide headquartered in the area.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:16 pm

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izbtmnhd wrote:
Insertnamehere wrote:

Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


JP Morgan Chase has a campus of around 5,000 for technology personnel from a news article I have read, Facebook is building a data centre opening next year, and CMH is trying to position itself as a new startup city which it can be as they have good feed from OSU and lower taxes than many other states in the region. You also have good size corporate presence outside of tech or financials as you have both Wendys and Nationwide headquartered in the area.


Is it tech which travels to the Silicon Valley? Looking at CMHs struggle to land any direct SFO service, let alone SJC, tells me demand is not so great yet.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:20 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
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izbtmnhd wrote:

Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


JP Morgan Chase has a campus of around 5,000 for technology personnel from a news article I have read, Facebook is building a data centre opening next year, and CMH is trying to position itself as a new startup city which it can be as they have good feed from OSU and lower taxes than many other states in the region. You also have good size corporate presence outside of tech or financials as you have both Wendys and Nationwide headquartered in the area.


Is it tech which travels to the Silicon Valley? Looking at CMHs struggle to land any direct SFO service, let alone SJC, tells me demand is not so great yet.


I can't say for sure, but who would run CMH-SJC, though? The most likely candidates would be WN (19 destinations from CMH but they already run OAK) and the airline which announced service to CMH an hour ago. Everybody else is to/from their hubs.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:22 pm

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izbtmnhd wrote:
Insertnamehere wrote:

Could just be the lack of any premium demand, more wealthy people are moving to the area and business is expanding but for the time being not much in terms of premium demand could allow for the flight to come into fruition for the time being. However it might come soon, I remember seeing an article stating that much of Chase's business in Columbus is from executives and businesses which will mean more premium demand will exist especially with more tech companies moving in might get a flight to the bay area.


Is it really that tech heavy? And even if it is, are they travelling out west much? The Columbus CSA is now larger than Cleveland yet the latter area can support double daily UA SFO year round without a subsidy.


JP Morgan Chase has a campus of around 5,000 for technology personnel from a news article I have read, Facebook is building a data centre opening next year, and CMH is trying to position itself as a new startup city which it can be as they have good feed from OSU and lower taxes than many other states in the region. You also have good size corporate presence outside of tech or financials as you have both Wendys and Nationwide headquartered in the area.


Data Centers don't add a meaningful amount of air travel between cities, I just looked up the Facebook data center and they are only adding 100 jobs. Based on my understanding, none of the major tech companies have large offices in Columbus. And the ties between CMH and the Bay Area aren't very strong.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:22 pm

So can we get a clarification on what the actual start date is? Everyone on the other AS threads acre saying everything from March 1st, March 4th, and March 7th.

When I started this thread, I saw the start date as March 1st...
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:50 pm

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So can we get a clarification on what the actual start date is? Everyone on the other AS threads acre saying everything from March 1st, March 4th, and March 7th.

When I started this thread, I saw the start date as March 1st...


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Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:15 pm

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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:51 pm

Decent connections are possible to/from CMH if originating from PDX, SFO, LAX, ANC and others. It won't be only P2P on this route. Any 'subsidy' is likely a marketing budget in Columbus to herald the new route...pretty standard offering from the new airport/community on an unserved market.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:34 pm

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Yeah, CMH is the tech city of Ohio.


Does tech really generate that much travel? Working in software engineering I don't travel.
Maybe I need a new company.
 
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Re: CMH New Service Announcement 8/29/18, 9:30AM

Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:48 pm

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Yeah, CMH is the tech city of Ohio.


Does tech really generate that much travel? Working in software engineering I don't travel.
Maybe I need a new company.


Depends on your position and company I suppose. The IND tech community have pushed for nonstop flights (SEA, SFO, TATL and SAN especially) and the flights are successful (Minus the AS flight to SFO, thanks UA). Quite frankly if IND didn't have a tech community we wouldn't have many of these routes, including CDG. Having the tech community in addition to all the other industries grow has helped a lot.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:48 pm

Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:51 pm

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Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.

Because one of the threads was merely just about the announcement of a new CMH route. The earlier thread was merely just for speculating on what that route could possibly be. We didn't know what that route was at that time. Now that we have specifics, a new thread can be started.
 
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You're both right. CSAs and MSAs are flawed and imperfect ways of estimating a market for aviation service. The important questions are always 1. How many people live within a distance of X from an airport, 2. How often to they fly, and 3. Where do they fly?

There's really no point in splitting hairs. I'm inclined to support the view that CLE has a larger catchment, even if CMH is posing stronger growth.


I agree. Population is a small factor compared to the whole spectrum. The business community, how big it is, and diverse it is, and how much they travel is more important. Calgary has a 1.3 million metro population (Much smaller compared to IND, CVG, CMH, etc.) but yet look at all the TATL service they get. I think they're a prime example of population isn't everything, but rather the business community and the ability for the business community and the local govt. to be able to collaborate well. I'm sure their tourism business is doing well but then again the tourism industry and local government have to collaborate just like any other industry in the market.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:02 pm

FA9295 wrote:
axiom wrote:
Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.

Because one of the threads was merely just about the announcement of a new CMH route. The earlier thread was merely just for speculating on what that route could possibly be. We didn't know what that route was at that time. Now that we have specifics, a new thread can be started.


Mods should combine both threads together for organization purposes.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:05 pm

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Decent connections are possible to/from CMH if originating from PDX, SFO, LAX, ANC and others. It won't be only P2P on this route. Any 'subsidy' is likely a marketing budget in Columbus to herald the new route...pretty standard offering from the new airport/community on an unserved market.


There are not going to be many SFO-SEA-CMH or LAX-SEA-CMH fliers. Both markets have nonstops on other carriers, so the choices are 4 hour nonstop or 9 hour trip through SEA that will likely be twice as expensive, as AS does not generally price for connections like that through SEA.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:21 pm

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There are not going to be many SFO-SEA-CMH or LAX-SEA-CMH fliers. Both markets have nonstops on other carriers, so the choices are 4 hour nonstop or 9 hour trip through SEA that will likely be twice as expensive, as AS does not generally price for connections like that through SEA.



Random date searched....on June 7th alaskaair.com is selling SFO-CMH for $309 ow....on united.com it's $450 with a stop in ORD.

I'm always surprised at the connections people will make that don't seem to be the logical choice.....blame the big ticketing websites (Expedia, Travelocity, Orbitz, Kayak, etc). People look for whoever is cheapest and don't always care about a short sit.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:22 pm

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axiom wrote:
Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.

Because one of the threads was merely just about the announcement of a new CMH route. The earlier thread was merely just for speculating on what that route could possibly be. We didn't know what that route was at that time. Now that we have specifics, a new thread can be started.


That thread is about the announcement of new service today. This thread is about the announcement of new service today. At most, the thread title needed updating. At most.
 
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:22 pm

axiom wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
axiom wrote:
Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.

Because one of the threads was merely just about the announcement of a new CMH route. The earlier thread was merely just for speculating on what that route could possibly be. We didn't know what that route was at that time. Now that we have specifics, a new thread can be started.


That thread is about the announcement of new service today. This thread is about the announcement of new service today. At most, the thread title needed updating. At most.


Click the little triangle and suggest it to the mods. They might be able to fix it.
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Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:56 pm

axiom wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
axiom wrote:
Why are there two active discussions on this, plus a third happening in the AS route announcements thread?

It is quite annoying to have to read three parallel conversations on the same topic. Is it so difficult for thread starters to scan the forum before making a new topic? This has really exploded as an issue lately. I also find that people within threads seem to increasingly overlook posts, such that they often repeat what has been said.

Because one of the threads was merely just about the announcement of a new CMH route. The earlier thread was merely just for speculating on what that route could possibly be. We didn't know what that route was at that time. Now that we have specifics, a new thread can be started.


That thread is about the announcement of new service today. This thread is about the announcement of new service today. At most, the thread title needed updating. At most.


I think they merged them, because clicking any of the alerts I had previously leads to this thread, but was this that big a deal?
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