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Skywork goes bust

Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:42 pm

It would appear that Swiss regional carrier Skywork has suspended operations due to financial problems.

https://m.bernerzeitung.ch/articles/5b8 ... 669a000001
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:45 pm

 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:54 pm

So what happens now at Bern and (to a lesser extent) Lugano ?
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:36 am

Wasnt unexpected, another small independant carrier goes.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:58 am

It isn't the first time they bite some dust, right? I remember they had a fleet of Dash 8 Q400, Dornier 328... and a colorful blue/green livery. These were all gone, and they got some Saab 2000s.
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:41 am

The curse of Airliner World strikes again!
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:28 am

leleko747 wrote:
It isn't the first time they bite some dust, right? I remember they had a fleet of Dash 8 Q400, Dornier 328... and a colorful blue/green livery. These were all gone, and they got some Saab 2000s.


They didn't 'go bust' then, but merely returned the Q400s as they were initially too large. They did earn money with the Do328 ops, but their cist structure was prohibitive from teh beginning. Outsourcing MRO to an overexpensive Third Party didnt help. Their management skills were poor from the start. Sad to see them go.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:32 am

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First thing I thought of when reading the news! Anyway, sad to see them go.
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:40 am

seansasLCY wrote:
Swiss regional carrier


*cough* I highly suspect most Skywork connections were international, but here we go as a tiny little country. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


This means Bern is more or less down to some holiday charters, business aviation, the federal government's airplane base, flight instruction, sightseeing flights, a glider base... and the Swiss Air Rescue still has a EC145 chopper there. Well done, capital of Switzerland. :praise: :wink2:


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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:55 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
So what happens now at Bern and (to a lesser extent) Lugano ?


Swiss have a great rail network. Easy to transfer BSL, ZRH, GVA and MXP.

BRN and LUG will focus on holiday charters
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:56 am

They were grounded for three days last year due to financial issues too. But they managed to prove they had the money to continue operations somehow. Apparently Bern Airport is trying to arrange flights with other airlines to some of the most popular destinations. The only airline I can think would operate them is Helvetic? Although they use most of their planes for LX wetleases.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:07 am

flyingturtle wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:
Swiss regional carrier


*cough* I highly suspect most Skywork connections were international, but here we go as a tiny little country. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


This means Bern is more or less down to some holiday charters, business aviation, the federal government's airplane base, flight instruction, sightseeing flights, a glider base... and the Swiss Air Rescue still has a EC145 chopper there. Well done, capital of Switzerland. :praise: :wink2:


David


I know, sad, but in all honesty what can you expect from a city of that size?... The fact that it is the Swiss capital is fairly irrelevant in mere aviation terms, and especially as far as the global aviation market is concerned. Zurich and Geneva is where the money and businesses are!
It's called the "Canberra/Brasilia/Bern/Bonn/The Hague/Pretoria syndrome"!
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:10 am

What happened to flyBMI MUC-BRN service? It doesn't show anymore.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:27 am

This a real shame. SkyWork seemed to have been caught by surprise here. They announced a new route from Vienna just a few days ago, and their management seemed to be ‘on the ball’ with keeping the company growing slowly without over taxing the finances. I’ll miss those Saab’s. :(
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 am

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SCQ83 wrote:
What happened to flyBMI MUC-BRN service? It doesn't show anymore.


They ceased flying to BRN in 2016.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:49 am

B747forever wrote:
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First thing I thought of when reading the news! Anyway, sad to see them go.


The problem was apparent when reading the AW article. An airline CEO publicly moaning about the price of spare parts (in detail) is never a good sign. Nor does changing the equipment back and forth.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:51 am

I flew them once on MUC-BRN. It was a great flight. Sad to see them go. I even considered apply for a job with them. Glad I didn't. It is sad to that BRN doesn't seem to grow. Could we possible see LH restart the MUC-BRN service or even fly FRA-BRN? I was anyways surprised that there is no connection to a major European hub like FRA,MUC,VIE,BRU,AMS and LHR to funnel connecting passengers. Can a CRJ-900 land in BRN?
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:08 am

It’s a tough market and a real shame. There’s been increased competition on some routes as well. They pretty much had Graz - Berlin to themselves, but easyJet just began operating the same route. The S2000 can’t compete with an A319. It’s a real shame to see them go. :(
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:17 am

sixfootscream wrote:
I flew them once on MUC-BRN. It was a great flight. Sad to see them go. I even considered apply for a job with them. Glad I didn't. It is sad to that BRN doesn't seem to grow. Could we possible see LH restart the MUC-BRN service or even fly FRA-BRN? I was anyways surprised that there is no connection to a major European hub like FRA,MUC,VIE,BRU,AMS and LHR to funnel connecting passengers. Can a CRJ-900 land in BRN?


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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:22 am

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I always wonder how many airlines which were featured in AirlinerWorld have folded. Lolx, can be a pretty long list.
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:47 am

juliuswong wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
The curse of Airliner World strikes again!

I always wonder how many airlines which were featured in AirlinerWorld have folded. Lolx, can be a pretty long list.


Oh well, at least we know not to fly a Sabb2000 around Europe on the weekend, as you won´t get parts till the ´Gerries´ open up on Monday morning!
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am

While this is terrible for SkyWork, Bern Airport will really suffer. It’s already in a tricky situation, trying to get upgrades to the runway instrumentation. Now a lack of a home carrier is going to really pile on the pressure. They’ve been working hard trying to get the airport’s profile higher among the French speaking population just the west, but without a regular service carrier, all that effort could be seen as wasted potential. It’s a sad day for both SkyWork and Bern in general.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:10 am

Yeah this is so weird, so no airline flying to and from Bern now? Looks like Helvetic just offered it's seasonal operation from Bern to 10 cities in Europe using their Embraer 190.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:13 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
So what happens now at Bern and (to a lesser extent) Lugano ?

I don't think there will be any such commercial flight in Bern again with exception for seasonal routes that are offered by competitor Helvetic.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:38 am

oldannyboy wrote:
I know, sad, but in all honesty what can you expect from a city of that size?... The fact that it is the Swiss capital is fairly irrelevant in mere aviation terms, and especially as far as the global aviation market is concerned. Zurich and Geneva is where the money and businesses are!
It's called the "Canberra/Brasilia/Bern/Bonn/The Hague/Pretoria syndrome"!


I reckon trains play a big role here. I just checked in SBB and Bern HB - Zurich Flughafen is as quick as 1h10' with no change train (I went once to Bern and I thought it was more!). Bern HB - Basel Airport is 1h15' including the change to the bus in Basel HB.

So really hard to compete with those two airports that have so much offer. Also it is not uncommon for Swiss residents to have a GA travel card or Half-Fare travel card which makes trains in Switzerland free or 50% off, making access to those airports much more affordable. For someone with GA card, travelling by train from Bern to ZRH or BSL is free.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:53 am

SCQ83 wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
I know, sad, but in all honesty what can you expect from a city of that size?... The fact that it is the Swiss capital is fairly irrelevant in mere aviation terms, and especially as far as the global aviation market is concerned. Zurich and Geneva is where the money and businesses are!
It's called the "Canberra/Brasilia/Bern/Bonn/The Hague/Pretoria syndrome"!


I reckon trains play a big role here. I just checked in SBB and Bern HB - Zurich Flughafen is as quick as 1h10' with no change train (I went once to Bern and I thought it was more!). Bern HB - Basel Airport is 1h15' including the change to the bus in Basel HB.

So really hard to compete with those two airports that have so much offer. Also it is not uncommon for Swiss residents to have a GA travel card or Half-Fare travel card which makes trains in Switzerland free or 50% off, making access to those airports much more affordable. For someone with GA card, travelling by train from Bern to ZRH or BSL is free.


By train, indeed, Bern is well connected to the other cities in Switzerland, but for Ticino/LUG, it's another story. The quickest train connection between Geneva and Lugano still takes more than 5 hours, even with the new Gothard Tunnel! There will be a problem for business between Lemanic Region and Ticino, because a round trip in the same day is no more possible. To go from several daily flights to none is surprising, to say the least.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:58 am

For Bern airport, it’s main problem is runway length. The Saab was pushing the limits in hot days and fully loaded, while Germania flew a few A319’s out of Bern a few years ago, they were payload restricted. Any attempts to legthen the runway is met with opposition from the community. Add to that some pretty lumpy terrain, and the pool of aircraft types that can operate from Bern is incredibly small.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:09 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
So what happens now at Bern and (to a lesser extent) Lugano ?

Number6 wrote:
While this is terrible for SkyWork, Bern Airport will really suffer. It’s already in a tricky situation, trying to get upgrades to the runway instrumentation. Now a lack of a home carrier is going to really pile on the pressure. They’ve been working hard trying to get the airport’s profile higher among the French speaking population just the west, but without a regular service carrier, all that effort could be seen as wasted potential. It’s a sad day for both SkyWork and Bern in general.

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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:49 pm

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I said the same the same thing abkut airways in the mid 2000s thy did wonderful articles on hmy harmony, Aloha, Zoom, etc and within 3 months they shut down
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:55 pm

Anybody know if Lugano Airport is certified for the CS100, or could be certified for it? Runway lenght is 1420m versus 1508 for LCY. If yes, can LX relaunch this market? Some years ago, Crossair's GVA-LUG was quite sucessful, and the line continued many years after SR's demise, with FlyBaboo and Darwin.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:09 pm

Seems like an opening for Adria and its Saabs.
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:24 pm

sergegva wrote:
Anybody know if Lugano Airport is certified for the CS100, or could be certified for it? Runway lenght is 1420m versus 1508 for LCY. If yes, can LX relaunch this market? Some years ago, Crossair's GVA-LUG was quite sucessful, and the line continued many years after SR's demise, with FlyBaboo and Darwin.

They don't need the CS1 since they are wetleasing OS Dash's and currently sending them 4x daily to LUG from ZRH. They might as well route those through to GVA or even operate with one single aircraft solely GVA-LUG.

But (which is a very big BUT), the demand has to be there and the business case positive. Without any state subsidies I don't see any possibilities as well as chances in this regards, quite unfortunate though...
 
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Re: Skywork goes bust

Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Now, Skywork is officially bust.

The FOCA (federal office of aviation) intended to withdraw the operating permit on Monday, but upon agreement with Skywork, they only did so on Wednesday evening.

The reason? Skywork wanted to fly home Berne's Young Boys football team from their successful Champions League game in Zagreb.

Well, some travel agencies are really, really pissed now. The booking tools were kept open til Wednesday evening. Some local travel agencies used to book 75% of their customers on Skywork flights - after all, they have interlined and codeshared with KLM.


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