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United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:01 pm

EWR-NAP B763
EWR-PRG B763

SFO-AMS B789

And already announced IAD-TLV B772
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:11 pm

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatod ... 1139537002

Just for clarification, NAP and PRG are both seasonal routes beginning in May.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:11 pm

Ahh!!! Naples, what a great add!
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:15 pm

Wow, 789 on the SFO-AMS, year round. There must be a ton of demand on that route.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:27 pm

I'm surprise that SFO-AMS is going to be year around service especially seeing that both SFO-MUC and ZRH are seasonal and those are Star Alliance hubs. Congrats to SFO, UA over the past few years has really beefed up our TATL service from this hub.
Glad UA will finally offer service to PRG on our own metal but why is this seasonal service starting so late (June 6th)? The addition of seasonal service to NAP is a great addition as well.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:37 pm

I mentioned a few weeks ago what about NAP getting back TATL flights and some people responded this was not possible due to FCO being so close.

Yet Costiera Amalfitana and Capri are booming as high-end tourism destinations. Napoli (coupled with Pompeii, Vesubio) is the large city in Italy where the number of tourists has increased the most in the last few years; with the number doubling between 2010 and 2017:

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/ ... fresh_ce=1

Nella top 5 delle città d'arte a maggior crescita turistica seguono Napoli (+91,3% sul 2010), Verona (+62,7%), Padova (+55,6%) e Bologna (+55%).
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:42 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I mentioned a few weeks ago what about NAP getting back TATL flights and some people responded this was not possible due to FCO being so close.

Yet Costiera Amalfitana and Capri are booming as high-end tourism destinations. Napoli (coupled with Pompeii, Vesubio) is the large city in Italy where the number of tourists has increased the most in the last few years; with the number doubling between 2010 and 2017:

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/ ... fresh_ce=1

Nella top 5 delle città d'arte a maggior crescita turistica seguono Napoli (+91,3% sul 2010), Verona (+62,7%), Padova (+55,6%) e Bologna (+55%).


It doesn't matter that tourism is growing - it matters if tourism from the U.S. is growing, and growing from a decently-sized base. The article you link doesn't confirm either aspect of that.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:31 pm

jayunited wrote:
Congrats to SFO, UA over the past few years has really beefed up our TATL service from this hub.


United’s growth at SFO has been nothing short of impressive: AKL; TLV; and soon, double daily to SIN. Really happy to see the company maximizing the full potential of both SFO and EWR.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:31 pm

I’m surprised there is no DEN announcement. Also there is no official United Press Release yet so that could include route reductions.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:45 pm

Internally the same is confirmed with EWR-OPO/ATH/KEF/VCE returning
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:46 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
I’m surprised there is no DEN announcement. Also there is no official United Press Release yet so that could include route reductions.


It has been posted on Flying Together and USA Today also got wind of this, United newsroom page should be updated with the announcement later today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 139537002/

Why exactly does this announcement need to include route reductions?
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:47 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
I’m surprised there is no DEN announcement. Also there is no official United Press Release yet so that could include route reductions.


Why route reductions? United is growing and has the aircraft on property and on order to do so.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:49 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
I’m surprised there is no DEN announcement. Also there is no official United Press Release yet so that could include route reductions.


Official press release. No cuts. All adds.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:05 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
I’m surprised there is no DEN announcement. Also there is no official United Press Release yet so that could include route reductions.


Why route reductions? United is growing and has the aircraft on property and on order to do so.


My guess is they expected that because AA included its route reductions in the same press release as their new additions.

Congrats to UA. Some great new routes.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:28 pm

Btw, this means Prague will have the three US carriers flying there (at least in summer). I don't think this is the case for many other cities in former Eastern Europe.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:47 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Btw, this means Prague will have the three US carriers flying there (at least in summer). I don't think this is the case for many other cities in former Eastern Europe.


DL had a monopoly on PRG for a very long time
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:54 pm

Good for UA. Seems like great adds. So UA and DL (to a lessor extend) continue to add new international destinations from NYC while AA slashes. Sort of crazy. AA used to control the business crowd out of AA. What use is AA out of NYC when both UA and DL offer such a bigger domestic and international footprint form NYC. And no PHL is not a hub I would ever use or want to connect through from NYC.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:00 pm

Has any US carrier ever served Naples before? Or is this the first time?
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:04 pm

N292UX wrote:
Has any US carrier ever served Naples before? Or is this the first time?


I believe Pan Am did back in the day via London or Germany, but I could be wrong. I believe this is the first US airline to offer direct service though.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:17 pm

Great adds United! Now for ORD——-
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:19 pm

Nice Add and very nice layovers for the crews assuming they get down town hotels.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:31 pm

Naples is interesting, is United the first US Airline to fly there? Naples itself is ugly and boring for the most part, but the surroundings ... Amalfi Coast!
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:36 pm

DLHAM wrote:
Naples is interesting, is United the first US Airline to fly there? Naples itself is ugly and boring for the most part, but the surroundings ... Amalfi Coast!


I’d just like to layover there for the pizza! Will probably go really senior, I imagine.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:40 pm

NAP makes sense, Meridiana flew this from JFK for years before switching to route pax through MXP.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:41 pm

Any possibility of United adding an ORD-PRG service? CSA used to come to ORD, since then nothing.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:43 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Btw, this means Prague will have the three US carriers flying there (at least in summer). I don't think this is the case for many other cities in former Eastern Europe.

United plans the EWR service for just three summer months. It's not even worth reporting, imho.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:51 pm

N292UX wrote:
Has any US carrier ever served Naples before? Or is this the first time?

As far as I know, NO. Meridiana had a seasonal B767 service.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:53 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Btw, this means Prague will have the three US carriers flying there (at least in summer). I don't think this is the case for many other cities in former Eastern Europe.

United plans the EWR service for just three summer months. It's not even worth reporting, imho.


So we should pretend United is not even flying this route? and it's actually running for 4 months (June 6th to October 4th) - pretty typical summer seasonal route, especially for a brand new destination.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:55 pm

UAL777UK wrote:
Nice Add and very nice layovers for the crews assuming they get down town hotels.

Naples is still one of the most dangerous cities in Italy for muggings -- including the city center. Always leave your hotel room with little cash, no jewelry and no watches. I lived in Italy and still have a lot of contacts there. All Italians will always warn you about Naples. Capri is another story...but even there, people will try to rip you off when your paying for something (always count your change).
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:55 pm

ual763 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
Naples is interesting, is United the first US Airline to fly there? Naples itself is ugly and boring for the most part, but the surroundings ... Amalfi Coast!


I’d just like to layover there for the pizza! Will probably go really senior, I imagine.


Thats for sure! The pizza at L'Antica Pizzeria da Michele was worth the whole trip to Naples.
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:56 pm

NAP surprises me. It's good for Amalfi coast tourists and the like, but there are some more difficulties in doing business in that part of Italy. UA has grown their Italian presence in the last 3 years. Going from 1x IAD-FCO and 1x EWR-MXP to adding FCO-ORD and EWR, along with EWR- VCE. I'm a bit surprised they don't do a second service in summer to MXP from ORD or IAD.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:00 pm

Now, United (or any US carrier) needs to add a route to Palma de Mallorca, and my life would be complete! I imagine, it needs to become more popular with American tourists first though before that would ever happen.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:25 pm

jayunited wrote:
I'm surprise that SFO-AMS is going to be year around service especially seeing that both SFO-MUC and ZRH are seasonal and those are Star Alliance hubs. Congrats to SFO, UA over the past few years has really beefed up our TATL service from this hub.
Glad UA will finally offer service to PRG on our own metal but why is this seasonal service starting so late (June 6th)? The addition of seasonal service to NAP is a great addition as well.


Is the reason SFO-MUC/ZRH are seasonal that they supplement existing Star Alliance flights (that are year round) on those city pairs operated by LH and LX, respectively? Whereas SFO-AMS has only competition in the form of KL.
IND ORD ATL MCO PIT EWR BUF CVG DEN RNO JFK DTW BOS BDL BWI IAD RDU CLT MYR CHS TPA CID MSP STL MSY DFW IAH AUS SLC LAS
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:28 pm

I wonder how KLM will respond to the SFO-AMS add... Will the second seasonal frequency (currently 4x weekly 789) be cut?
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:28 pm

jayunited wrote:
I'm surprise that SFO-AMS is going to be year around service especially seeing that both SFO-MUC and ZRH are seasonal and those are Star Alliance hubs. Congrats to SFO, UA over the past few years has really beefed up our TATL service from this hub.
Glad UA will finally offer service to PRG on our own metal but why is this seasonal service starting so late (June 6th)? The addition of seasonal service to NAP is a great addition as well.


UA has MUC and ZRH covered with its JV with LH. If there's enough capacity there, it makes sense for them to push SkyTeam on SFO-AMS which I'm guessing is a very profitable route for AF/KL.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:38 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I mentioned a few weeks ago what about NAP getting back TATL flights and some people responded this was not possible due to FCO being so close.

Yet Costiera Amalfitana and Capri are booming as high-end tourism destinations. Napoli (coupled with Pompeii, Vesubio) is the large city in Italy where the number of tourists has increased the most in the last few years; with the number doubling between 2010 and 2017:

http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/ ... fresh_ce=1

Nella top 5 delle città d'arte a maggior crescita turistica seguono Napoli (+91,3% sul 2010), Verona (+62,7%), Padova (+55,6%) e Bologna (+55%).


Might be a move to capture what Air Italy (then Meridiana) let go when it decided to go all in on a Milan hub. This and Palermo were seasonal offerings on IG on a high-density B763.
 
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:49 pm

FCO was flown from EWR with CO on DC 10s. Did it ever end?
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:50 pm

SFOA380 wrote:
I wonder how KLM will respond to the SFO-AMS add... Will the second seasonal frequency (currently 4x weekly 789) be cut?


The Bay Area has grown dramatically from tech and it seems every year tourism continues to grow in the summer. But with AF's daily A388 and 77W, KL's 744 and 789, and now UA's 789, that's going to be a ton of capacity for the season. I think it says a lot that KL drops down to a 789 for the rest of the year. I predict KL will drop the 2nd flight.
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Re: United Announces EWR-PRG, EWR-NAP, SFO-AMS

Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:16 pm

UA has an impressive AMS presence in spite of SkyTeam's dominance. I've always thought AA missed the AMS boat with their token presence...
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:30 pm

AMS is a popular destination for tourism from SFO and vice-versa. Both places are well respected and popular places to visit especially during the summer months. Demand is very good from both ends, and UA should do well on this route even though there is plenty of capacity. The yields have been good for KLM and getting better over the years. UA will be competition, but I don't see KLM cutting the 2nd daily, maybe in the winter? but at least I see them keeping it in the summer for sure.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:32 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
FCO was flown from EWR with CO on DC 10s. Did it ever end?


FCO went seasonal from IAD/EWR in 2014, back to year round IAD/seasonal EWR in 2016 and year-round to both in 2017. It's still year-round for 2018/19 but at a slightly reduced schedule.

In post-merger days EWR-FCO went down to 3-4x during the winter. Pre-merger, it was up to 14x weekly during the summer when AZ was a partner (CO40/41 with the current schedule, 764/772 and CO42/43 with 762 on a later flight). Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, when CO/AZ had a TATL alliance, EWR-FCO/MXP were both double-daily during the summer on CO+AZ metal, splitting frequencies with a CO DC-10/772 and AZ 763.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:38 pm

IAHWorldflyer wrote:
NAP surprises me. It's good for Amalfi coast tourists and the like, but there are some more difficulties in doing business in that part of Italy. UA has grown their Italian presence in the last 3 years. Going from 1x IAD-FCO and 1x EWR-MXP to adding FCO-ORD and EWR, along with EWR- VCE. I'm a bit surprised they don't do a second service in summer to MXP from ORD or IAD.


Not exactly correct. CO served MXP and FCO from EWR for a long time. UA did not "add" EWR-FCO. It inherited the route from CO and turned it to a seasonal one for a time (CO also went seasonal on and off) and resumed year round with reduced frequency in the winter once NAX entered the market. FCO-ORD was in place and has not been a recent add. UA has flown it for years. EWR-VCE was added a few years ago.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:40 pm

DLHAM wrote:
Naples is interesting, is United the first US Airline to fly there? Naples itself is ugly and boring for the most part, but the surroundings ... Amalfi Coast!


Naples is hardly boring, though it has a lot of rough edges. It is a major cruise port, a gateway to the Amalfi Coast, Capri, Sorrento, and Pompeii, and Naples Airport is the fastest growing airport in Italy and very well served and connected to all of Europe by legacy and LCC's.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:49 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
DLHAM wrote:
Naples is interesting, is United the first US Airline to fly there? Naples itself is ugly and boring for the most part, but the surroundings ... Amalfi Coast!


Naples is hardly boring, though it has a lot of rough edges. It is a major cruise port, a gateway to the Amalfi Coast, Capri, Sorrento, and Pompeii, and Naples Airport is the fastest growing airport in Italy and very well served and connected to all of Europe by legacy and LCC's.


I remember, this is the thread I started a couple of months ago:

viewtopic.php?t=1394611

I was wrong on the first US3 to land at NAP though :)
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:55 pm

UAL777UK wrote:
Nice Add and very nice layovers for the crews assuming they get down town hotels.


Yes we will get downtown hotels.
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:01 pm

fightforlove wrote:
Any possibility of United adding an ORD-PRG service? CSA used to come to ORD, since then nothing.

EWR-PRG will be a good flight, no doubt, but it would have been better out of ORD. Personally, I think they picked the wrong hub.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:06 pm

Brilliant move by UA to add NAP. I wouldn't be shocked if AA countered with PHL-NAP at some point. The Amalfi coast is stunningly beautiful, full of American tourists, and expensive! A perfect summer route IMO.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:10 pm

kiowa wrote:
Great adds United! Now for ORD——-

IAD gets TLV, EWR gets PRG, AA gets ATH...…… BUD would probably the next logical choice. But now knowing how UA has been operating lately, ORD would probably not get a new international route for at least two years.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:21 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
UAL777UK wrote:
Nice Add and very nice layovers for the crews assuming they get down town hotels.


Yes we will get downtown hotels.


I'd have to dig it up, but in the union contract, I'm almost 100% certain that on long-haul flights such as this, the hotels are required to be in the city-center.
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:25 pm

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IAHWorldflyer wrote:
NAP surprises me. It's good for Amalfi coast tourists and the like, but there are some more difficulties in doing business in that part of Italy. UA has grown their Italian presence in the last 3 years. Going from 1x IAD-FCO and 1x EWR-MXP to adding FCO-ORD and EWR, along with EWR- VCE. I'm a bit surprised they don't do a second service in summer to MXP from ORD or IAD.


Not exactly correct. CO served MXP and FCO from EWR for a long time. UA did not "add" EWR-FCO. It inherited the route from CO and turned it to a seasonal one for a time (CO also went seasonal on and off) and resumed year round with reduced frequency in the winter once NAX entered the market. FCO-ORD was in place and has not been a recent add. UA has flown it for years. EWR-VCE was added a few years ago.


CO launched EWR-FCO in conjunction with AZ in 1992 or 1993 with the famous DC-10 painted in half CO/ AZ colors. CO operated EWR-FCO with a DC-10 and AZ flew EWR-MXP with a 763.
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