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binayak
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India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:54 am

Hello everyone. In a recent thread a topic of "exotic destinations " arose and someone told about South America. As of now there are no non stops between India and South america. My question is whether the market is so low yielding that even one flight isn't possible?

I took out a random route and saw the fares for BOM- GIG.

https://www.google.co.in/search?source= ... 95tXAcr3kY

As evident south america fares are much much greater than what we pay for India-US. So that means even if majority traffic consists of tourists , they are still paying good amounts and will continue to for a non stop if that happens .
Also distance wise the route I saw BOM-GIG has a great circle distance less than that of BOM-ATL ( a route which will happen next year)

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BOM-GIG,+BOM-ATL,+BOM-JFK

So even after a distance much like typical ULH, high paying pax, why there aren't flights in this market ?
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:15 am

binayak wrote:
Hello everyone. In a recent thread a topic of "exotic destinations " arose and someone told about South America. As of now there are no non stops between India and South america. My question is whether the market is so low yielding that even one flight isn't possible?

I took out a random route and saw the fares for BOM- GIG.

https://www.google.co.in/search?source= ... 95tXAcr3kY

As evident south america fares are much much greater than what we pay for India-US. So that means even if majority traffic consists of tourists , they are still paying good amounts and will continue to for a non stop if that happens .
Also distance wise the route I saw BOM-GIG has a great circle distance less than that of BOM-ATL ( a route which will happen next year)

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BOM-GIG,+BOM-ATL,+BOM-JFK

So even after a distance much like typical ULH, high paying pax, why there aren't flights in this market ?


The route is only viable if flown via Europe or via the southern US, by a European or US airline. Everything else is dreaming in La La Land.

Low yield, low demand, few business ties, few historical ties. A nonstop route would never work. It's not about the distance, but about the people wanting to travel on such a route.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:51 am

You could also do it using JNB as connection.
Or ADD maybe?
CMM as wel??
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:57 am

There's already a one stop option via ME3. If the Indian airlines got their act together it might be a good way to connect the Eastern part of South America to East Asia.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:09 pm

GRU would be the largest market and ET, EK and QR already take care of this market. Don't think would be viable nowadays.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:00 pm

3rdGen wrote:
There's already a one stop option via ME3. If the Indian airlines got their act together it might be a good way to connect the Eastern part of South America to East Asia.

Indian Airlines would need the connections EK provides to fill the plane with enough premium traffic.

I do not see this happening. ET would probably be the best choice of connections or Europe.

Lightsaber
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:02 pm

EK, ET & QR already take good care of it from the continent's two largest business centers: Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. Any nonstop flight would be doomed to fail due to low commercial ties, huge distance, lack of premium traffic, etc.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:43 pm

The best I can hope for so far is a 5th freedom route through Europe by Air India, so maybe DEL-CDG-GRU
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:56 pm

lightsaber wrote:
3rdGen wrote:
There's already a one stop option via ME3. If the Indian airlines got their act together it might be a good way to connect the Eastern part of South America to East Asia.

Indian Airlines would need the connections EK provides to fill the plane with enough premium traffic.

I do not see this happening. ET would probably be the best choice of connections or Europe.

Lightsaber


I don't know if ET is making much profit flying Indians to South America, but they certainly seem to consistently offer some of the cheapest fares, at least to Sao Paulo.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:00 pm

believeinflight wrote:
The best I can hope for so far is a 5th freedom route through Europe by Air India, so maybe DEL-CDG-GRU


Any particular reason CDG? I would think LIS would be a better stopover option for that particular route?
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:29 pm

believeinflight wrote:
The best I can hope for so far is a 5th freedom route through Europe by Air India, so maybe DEL-CDG-GRU


No thanks.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:14 pm

there's so little market. Indian populations in south america are miniscule and business ties are few
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:00 pm

South America is the only part of the world where India has very little to do with.

I suspect there are more NRIs / American Indians visiting South America from the US / Canada in any given year vs Indians from India itself.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:50 pm

globetrotter94 wrote:
believeinflight wrote:
The best I can hope for so far is a 5th freedom route through Europe by Air India, so maybe DEL-CDG-GRU


Any particular reason CDG? I would think LIS would be a better stopover option for that particular route?

The best choice Is LIS n then MAD...why CDG?
 
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:34 am

Kadish wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
believeinflight wrote:
The best I can hope for so far is a 5th freedom route through Europe by Air India, so maybe DEL-CDG-GRU


Any particular reason CDG? I would think LIS would be a better stopover option for that particular route?

The best choice Is LIS n then MAD...why CDG?


I'm not sure about the DEL-LIS traffic being as big as DEL-CDG or even DEL-MAD/BCN
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:39 am

wenders825 wrote:
there's so little market. Indian populations in south america are miniscule and business ties are few


Well, if you count Suriname and Guyana as part of South America (Which they are geographically, just not culturally), there are certainly tons of people with Indian roots there (aka "Indo-Caribbean", same applied for Trinidad & Tobago). On the other hand, no, those Indo-Caribbeans are not going to fly to India any time soon (Their diaspora are in UK, US, and Canada), nor there are any giant Indian corporations in Suriname or Guyana or T&T.
 
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Re: India-South America flights . Commercially nonviable?

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:22 am

It would be a stretch before India can attract the diaspora in Trinadad, Suriname, Guyana.

Better to try and focus on E Africa. Even Fiji would be a better bet.

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