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AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:10 pm

Supposed to start this Fall. Any word on whether this has begun? Around Labor Day is when schedules are pulled back.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:18 pm

They actually aren't starting until next year. AA is waiting until they bring the NEOs in for the FAA certification process. It'll be at least 5 months before you see a LUS A321 rolling out with the new cabin.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:56 pm

What upgrades are they getting? When are they due to be done?
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:58 pm

Adding inseat power and reducing the seat pitch in Y from 32 inches to 30 inches.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:02 pm

I wish they would put the TV screens in the planes ... still a bad move to take them out in my mind!
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:09 pm

It would just be nice to see AA at least TRY for a more consistent onboard product for a given type, a la DL.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:24 pm

They are getting larger overhead bins as well.

No IFE is such a shame, makes the carrier look ultra low-cost.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:32 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
They are getting larger overhead bins as well.

No IFE is such a shame, makes the carrier look ultra low-cost.


Yeah the only differentiation between AAunderLousyParker and ULLC will be gone once refurb finishes.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:40 pm

Are the larger bins the same ones found on the newer A320s? I flew on N167US this past June and it definitely looked ready for a cabin refurbishment.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:45 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Are the larger bins the same ones found on the newer A320s? I flew on N167US this past June and it definitely looked ready for a cabin refurbishment.


No, it's going to be these:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... w-air.html
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:45 pm

Going from 32 inch pitch to 30 inch sounds like a serious downgrade in Y...

AA and their struggles will just continue.. UA is pulling away from AA and DL is even further ahead.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:46 pm

Wow I didn't know those A321s could get any worse.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:56 pm

By reducing the pitch in Y, does that also mean expanding the MCE section to mirror the LAA 321's? That would be a serious upgrade, considering only the bulkheads on LUS 321's are MCE.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:01 pm

IIRC, the LAA A321s are already at 30 inches but have PTVs. I think the PTVs will be ripped out starting next year.

I realize that I may be in the minority but I would rather have only the bulkhead and exit rows be MCE and then have the rest of the cabin be at 32 inches. I really enjoy the new build LUS A321s-really comfy seats and a great ride in Y.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:27 pm

I like the addition of the power ports and don't really care about PTV's, but the 30 inches of legroom is insulting. Guess I have to enjoy the 32 inches while it lasts.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:29 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
They are getting larger overhead bins as well.

No IFE is such a shame, makes the carrier look ultra low-cost.


False. AA currently offers free, streaming IFE; it’s not going away and the addition of in-seat power will enhance it. The ULCC do not currently feature IFE, and if/when they do (NK is installing WiFi), it will undoubtedly be for purchase.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:53 am

compensateme wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
They are getting larger overhead bins as well.

No IFE is such a shame, makes the carrier look ultra low-cost.


False. AA currently offers free, streaming IFE; it’s not going away and the addition of in-seat power will enhance it. The ULCC do not currently feature IFE, and if/when they do (NK is installing WiFi), it will undoubtedly be for purchase.

Yea buts it's only on a mobile device instead of seatback which kills the experience, especially if you don't have a tablet
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:23 am

Both LAA and LUS A321s will see the addition of new Airbus Airspace bins, as well as the installation of the B/E MiQ seat in First, the B/E Meridian seat in MCE and MC (with tablet/cellphone holders). The LUS A321s will see the addition of power ports (1 per seat in First and 2 per set of 3 seats in MCE and MC) and a USB charging port (one per seat). Both planes will have 190 seats as opposed to the 181 in the LAA A321 and 187 in the LUS A321. From a Flight Service standpoint there will be an additional galley and closet installed in the front (already featured in the LAA A321s).

NO PTVS!! THE MADNESS!!!!!
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:43 am

Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:57 am

jetsetterusa wrote:
I wish they would put the TV screens in the planes ... still a bad move to take them out in my mind!

A terrible decision that will ensure AA never catches up to DL and remains the flying bus that it is
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:06 am

mikeyp224 wrote:
Both LAA and LUS A321s will see the addition of new Airbus Airspace bins, as well as the installation of the B/E MiQ seat in First, the B/E Meridian seat in MCE and MC (with tablet/cellphone holders). The LUS A321s will see the addition of power ports (1 per seat in First and 2 per set of 3 seats in MCE and MC) and a USB charging port (one per seat). Both planes will have 190 seats as opposed to the 181 in the LAA A321 and 187 in the LUS A321. From a Flight Service standpoint there will be an additional galley and closet installed in the front (already featured in the LAA A321s).

NO PTVS!! THE MADNESS!!!!!

All correct except the power ports. Every seat on the plane has a dedicated charging port and usb. It’s not only two for every three seats. Also the first class seats will also have a seat back device holder.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:09 am

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Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Delta 321 is actually a pretty comfortable ride. All the bathrooms arent flex and they offer IFE and decent legroom. Delta 321's i would argue are the best in their fleet right now. The galley isn't bad either especially with the modified last row.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:14 am

How many MCE seats will there be?
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:04 am

mikeyp224 wrote:
From a Flight Service standpoint there will be an additional galley and closet installed in the front (already featured in the LAA A321s).


You mean re-installed on the LUS 321's. They, like the entire pmUS Airbus fleet, had closets at 1L and the 321 also had a closet and additional galley space at 1R. After the HP merger Parker had all closets removed and the 321 re-configured from 26F down to 16F, and the 320 re-configued to 12F from 16F.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:43 pm

LawAndOrder wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Delta 321 is actually a pretty comfortable ride. All the bathrooms arent flex and they offer IFE and decent legroom. Delta 321's i would argue are the best in their fleet right now. The galley isn't bad either especially with the modified last row.

Oh yes that one extra inch of legroom really makes a difference on DL. But let's not talk about the 2 less inches in J, or the one less in MCE.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:48 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Delta 321 is actually a pretty comfortable ride. All the bathrooms arent flex and they offer IFE and decent legroom. Delta 321's i would argue are the best in their fleet right now. The galley isn't bad either especially with the modified last row.

Oh yes that one extra inch of legroom really makes a difference on DL. But let's not talk about the 2 less inches in J, or the one less in MCE.


You must not talk about anything bad about delta experience!

I am surprised these a321s had 32 inch pitch. Unexpected for Doug Parker fleet.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:27 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
Wow I didn't know those A321s could get any worse.


I don't see the current A321s terrible. I really enjoy my ride on the A321 a lot. There are some pros coming with the refurbs with in seat power, more MCE seats and larger over head bins. Though cons are super terrible like the tiny lavs and reduced seating pitch.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:30 pm

wow! 32 down to 30...and AA wonders why they are struggling when it comes to customer satisfaction.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:32 pm

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It would just be nice to see AA at least TRY for a more consistent onboard product for a given type, a la DL.

They are doing exactly that. When refurbs are complete, all A321 (non-transcon) will have the same seat count (190 seats), no PTVs, and power outlets. And when the 738 refurbs are complete, all will have 172 seats, no PTVs, and power outlets.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:05 pm

I've zeroed out my AAdvantage Miles and now mostly fly with Delta and JetBlue domestically directly because of AA's recent cuts in service. When the US-AA merger was first announced, Parker indicated that US would rise to the level of the current AA, but just the opposite has occurred with the removal of PTVs and shrinking seat pitch.

I just got back from a group cross-country vacation trip from California, one-way on DL and one-way on B6. On the way out, on a pass through the cabin, I counted 68% of the passengers in coach "actively" watching their seatback TVs.

The kids and adults in my group were all so happy to be able watch movies and other shows to pass the time on the long flights. We can't all just read books for 4 to 6 hours straight to pass the time. And yes, a "few" of the kids own their own tablets, but none of us wanted to bother lugging tablets or laptops along just to watch shows on the plane or to try watching movies on a tiny smartphone screen.

Kudos to B6 and DL for recognizing this fact and making flying a little better. Meanwhile, I feel AA is trying more to compete with the ULCCs.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:15 pm

HVNwxROC wrote:
I've zeroed out my AAdvantage Miles and now mostly fly with Delta and JetBlue domestically directly because of AA's recent cuts in service. When the US-AA merger was first announced, Parker indicated that US would rise to the level of the current AA, but just the opposite has occurred with the removal of PTVs and shrinking seat pitch.

I just got back from a group cross-country vacation trip from California, one-way on DL and one-way on B6. On the way out, on a pass through the cabin, I counted 68% of the passengers in coach "actively" watching their seatback TVs.

The kids and adults in my group were all so happy to be able watch movies and other shows to pass the time on the long flights. We can't all just read books for 4 to 6 hours straight to pass the time. And yes, a "few" of the kids own their own tablets, but none of us wanted to bother lugging tablets or laptops along just to watch shows on the plane or to try watching movies on a tiny smartphone screen.

Kudos to B6 and DL for recognizing this fact and making flying a little better. Meanwhile, I feel AA is trying more to compete with the ULCCs.



As a multi year gold member I’ve zeroed out my AAdvantage miles as well and got a few really nice trips in first/biz out of it. I haven’t stepped foot on AA metal in over two years now. AAdvantage used to send me a once to bi-weekly promotional email, now I get them daily. Desperation?

Agree with your assessment with DL/B6. I try booking domestic solely between the two if possible. AS really could have stepped it up by keeping the VX IFE in my opinion but opted to stay behind the curve which is lame because the AS product is great in other areas.

And WiFi on aircraft pretty much sucks. It unreliable (usually inop) on a lot of my flights. If if does work the sign in process is long and usually requires surprise, a fee! it’s slow and many planes that are equipped lack a power outlet or at least a working one.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:57 pm

At least the 321s have some sweet exit row seating. In some ways 10A-C/11A-C can be better than Y with anyone being able to get out of the row without asking others to get up. Great on an overnight.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:01 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Delta 321 is actually a pretty comfortable ride. All the bathrooms arent flex and they offer IFE and decent legroom. Delta 321's i would argue are the best in their fleet right now. The galley isn't bad either especially with the modified last row.

Oh yes that one extra inch of legroom really makes a difference on DL. But let's not talk about the 2 less inches in J, or the one less in MCE.


J is perfectly fine - it's a very comfortable ride. The overall experience on Delta is better than what AA offers, and far more consistent too.

Some replies in this thread imply that it is ridiculous to expect a PTV, but not everyone takes a tablet on board, and those that do may not have downloaded entertainment. I have music downloaded on my tablet, but not much else because I never use it to watch TV shows or films. The simple fact is that Delta is offering something more to their passengers than AA, and in my opinion, that product is better.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:21 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:

Delta 321 is actually a pretty comfortable ride. All the bathrooms arent flex and they offer IFE and decent legroom. Delta 321's i would argue are the best in their fleet right now. The galley isn't bad either especially with the modified last row.

Oh yes that one extra inch of legroom really makes a difference on DL. But let's not talk about the 2 less inches in J, or the one less in MCE.


J is perfectly fine - it's a very comfortable ride. The overall experience on Delta is better than what AA offers, and far more consistent too.

Some replies in this thread imply that it is ridiculous to expect a PTV, but not everyone takes a tablet on board, and those that do may not have downloaded entertainment. I have music downloaded on my tablet, but not much else because I never use it to watch TV shows or films. The simple fact is that Delta is offering something more to their passengers than AA, and in my opinion, that product is better.


No downloaded entertainment required with a tablet or phone, just the American app to access their content library.

I’ll admit I wasn’t sold on the PDE idea at first but after suffering through a few flights with non-responsive/non-functioning screens, or having them randomly turn on in the middle of a red-eye, or the broken volume setting that would go all the way up for no reason, or even the people that feel the need to pound on the back of my headrest for 4 hours, I prefer the tablet option. Not for everyone of course. But just my 2c.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:49 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Exactly!

You could have 225 seats on an A321, but as long as you have those monitors, the lemmings won't bate an eye.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:30 am

Miamiairport wrote:
In some ways 10A-C/11A-C can be better than Y with anyone being able to get out of the row without asking others to get up. Great on an overnight.


You can also sleep on the floor and stay out of everyone's way. Not that I've done this or anything...
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 am

Austin787 wrote:
GSPSPOT wrote:
It would just be nice to see AA at least TRY for a more consistent onboard product for a given type, a la DL.

They are doing exactly that. When refurbs are complete, all A321 (non-transcon) will have the same seat count (190 seats), no PTVs, and power outlets. And when the 738 refurbs are complete, all will have 172 seats, no PTVs, and power outlets.

Ah, moving in the WRONG direction I see. Well, the HP takeover of once-proud AA is nearly complete. The new AA needs to recognize that their competition is no longer DL, it's now the likes F9 and NK.
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:31 am

GSPSPOT wrote:
The new AA needs to recognize that their competition is no longer DL, it's now the likes F9 and NK.


I think AA recognizes their competition... hence the reduction of Y seat pitch from 32” to 30”.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:02 am

AA767400 wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Why does Delta get so much credit, only because they offer PTVs? Their 321 are 191 seats, that’s including 20 first, and super tight lavs with spaceflex galleys... miserable airplane to be on for mid length and longer flights.


Exactly!

You could have 225 seats on an A321, but as long as you have those monitors, the lemmings won't bate an eye.
B6 eventually will merge with another airline, and back to the drawing board for the bougie niche passenger.

First world problems. :yes:


This is a totally interesting point, and I think about this a lot as a former flight attendant. Most of the reconfigured Delta airplanes - the 321 and 739 for sure - are incredibly tight. I flew for United for 5 years starting in the late-1990s, and everyone complained on the line about our 757 galleys. But compared to the new DL configurations, they were very spacious. But somehow, DL has become a luxury lifestyle brand. Design is certainly part of it, as the DL experience is very consistent, and has a really nice aesthetic. And the PTVs are just flat out convenient, and people love them. Plus, Delta does an exceptionally good job of revenue management. The premium and mid-tier sections of their cabins are very nice. Now the rear of the 739 by those 3 awful bathrooms? Garbage. But they know that they can corral the lower fares back there. I am a DL gold and I generally only see the nice parts of the cabins - which are very nice. But bottom line is despite how much I love the Zac Posen uniforms, I would not ever want to have to work one of their airplanes.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:20 am

Will they have the tiny lavatories like the 737max?
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:37 am

cynlb wrote:
Will they have the tiny lavatories like the 737max?

They are a new slimmer lav but they are not the same lavs that are on the Max. They’re also not nearly as tight.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:51 am

I look for 738 planes out of PHX over A319/20/21 because of the IFE.
 
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Re: AA LUS A321 cabin refurbs

Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:26 am

I have gotten to the point where I want older planes. A plane just refurbished the seats are horrible for comfort.

The seats were so much more comfortable besides the extra 2 Inches of leg room the new seats are so light weight and no padding. The old seats we use to complain about now seem super padded, heavy and comfy. Who thought coach could get any worse, it is.

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