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United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:37 pm

United Airlines is planning to invest $200 million in upgrades to Hawaii airport facilities officials said.

United CEO Oscar Munoz said the investment will be geared for modernizing the tools and resources employees use at airports in the state, aiming to give customers a better experience.

United is also planning to shift service schedules to make it easier to connect to Hawaii via its seven domestic hub cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Denver, New York, Houston and Washington. The carrier is expecting to first launch the scheduling change at the Denver airport in February.

https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/new ... waiis.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html

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On the schedules from what I gather they are planning in maximizing mid-day/evening departures from mainland hubs to allow more interior US cities to connect to Hawaii flights. Today bulk of Hawaii departures from mainland are early morning hours and late evening returns which limits hub connection opportunity.
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Re: United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:02 pm

Those early AM West Coast flights and evening returns while fine for locals, indeed made connections quite hard to achieve.

This move could be quite a shake up of how UA has operated to the islands. Suppose this is another one of Kirby's network shake-ups.
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Great news as they are the largest Carrier to the island out of the US3
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:44 pm

I would welcome more noon/afternoon West Coast departures from the mainland, along with red-eye returns from Hawaii. Does make it far easier to connect from interior US markets.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:56 pm

Just flew HNL-EWR this week (connecting from Hawaiian), that airport is a complete craphole, not sure $200 million would be enough even if they threw it all at HNL.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:02 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Just flew HNL-EWR this week (connecting from Hawaiian), that airport is a complete craphole, not sure $200 million would be enough even if they threw it all at HNL.

Are you referring to HNL in general or UA’s station specifically ?
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:06 pm

I quite like HNL myself, the open air spaces and walkways are wonderful.

Good to see UA investing here, they are the no 1 of the big 3 to the islands.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:08 pm

HNL in general, or at least the parts that I saw, although the G pier, which UA uses, seemed worse than the inter-island one.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:21 pm

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HNL in general, or at least the parts that I saw, although the G pier, which UA uses, seemed worse than the inter-island one.
My impressions of OGG and LIH wasn't much better (I did not fly UA).
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:33 pm

Do not know OGG. LIH had chickens running around inside the terminal, but otherwise could be worse - at least there were a couple of places to eat, unlike the G pier at HNL which only had the Quiznos.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:34 pm

the gates that UA use are extremely limited when it comes to seats, power, and space. Im glad UA is finally pumping money into improving the facilities.

Is HNL getting a Polaris lounge?
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:42 pm

xxcr wrote:
the gates that UA use are extremely limited when it comes to seats, power, and space. Im glad UA is finally pumping money into improving the facilities.

Is HNL getting a Polaris lounge?


No... and it wouldn’t shock me to see NRTHNL go away once NH starts A380 service, as the JV might have sufficient capacity in the market at that point.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:46 pm

Word is that WN will be announcing more info on their Hawaii plans today. Coincidence?
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:51 pm

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
the gates that UA use are extremely limited when it comes to seats, power, and space. Im glad UA is finally pumping money into improving the facilities.

Is HNL getting a Polaris lounge?


No... and it wouldn’t shock me to see NRTHNL go away once NH starts A380 service, as the JV might have sufficient capacity in the market at that point.


I dont think UA will cut the HNL-NRT-HNL flight, even with NH flying the A380 there. I'm pretty sure that route can handle all the flights even with JA, DL, and HA.

thats also one thing that HNL is lacking within SA, no premium cabin lounge. They only have the one UA Club which IIRC was small and lacked amenities..(but that was 6 years ago)
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:55 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Just flew HNL-EWR this week (connecting from Hawaiian), that airport is a complete craphole, not sure $200 million would be enough even if they threw it all at HNL.



Honolulu is going through a modernization right now. The real issue is the State of Hawaii controls everything at Honolulu and it takes them forever to get things done.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:58 pm

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Do not know OGG. LIH had chickens running around inside the terminal, but otherwise could be worse - at least there were a couple of places to eat, unlike the G pier at HNL which only had the Quiznos.


Having just returned from Kauai a few weeks ago myself, there are chickens running around the entire island. I don't recall seeing any inside the terminal at LIH, but given that much of it is open-air it's not surprising that a few would find their way in. I'm not really sure what can be done about that other than enclosing the entire terminal, which would be a shame IMO as it would remove the unique feel of the open-air terminals at Hawaii's airports.

I didn't think LIH was all that bad myself, but I completely agree with you assessment of the G pier at HNL. I generally like mid-century architecture, of which HNL is a good example, but my god the place just felt incredibly shabby and crowded. And virtually no signage to tell me where to go for my inter-island connecting flight until I wandered outside and found a map and the Wiki Wiki Bus. I thought the inter-island terminal was fine, though.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:00 pm

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msycajun wrote:
Word is that WN will be announcing more info on their Hawaii plans today. Coincidence?


A $200 million investment in such a focused location would be the result of several months of planning and management approvals likely all the way up to the board. I doubt it.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:02 pm

Is United Club at HNL getting remodeled? It is soooo old but it was 5 years ago last time I was there
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:06 pm

xxcr wrote:
the gates that UA use are extremely limited when it comes to seats, power, and space. Im glad UA is finally pumping money into improving the facilities.

Is HNL getting a Polaris lounge?


NH is building a new lounge in HNL to be opened with the A380 launch. The lounge will have direct boarding to the upper level on A380. Unlikely that UA will invest in a Polaris lounge in HNL.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:07 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
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msycajun wrote:
Word is that WN will be announcing more info on their Hawaii plans today. Coincidence?


A $200 million investment in such a focused location would be the result of several months of planning and management approvals likely all the way up to the board. I doubt it.


It's been public knowledge that WN has been planning on Hawaii for months, maybe years now. No way UA hasn't been following it and preparing their response.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:14 pm

msycajun wrote:
Word is that WN will be announcing more info on their Hawaii plans today. Coincidence?


They’re going to announce their intention to consider potential dates for possibly deciding when to announce a tentative start of service date (subject to change).
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:37 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Word is that WN will be announcing more info on their Hawaii plans today. Coincidence?


They’re going to announce their intention to consider potential dates for possibly deciding when to announce a tentative start of service date (subject to change).

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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:42 pm

It makes sense for them to adjust schedules to allow for connections. I never saw the wisdom of the timing of many flights restricting most traffic to o/d.

Any investments to improve facilities is a good thing.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:52 pm

So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough

I know HA does it from LAS daily, I wonder how well it does.
 
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So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough.


Yeah, that quote doesn't make much sense. Let's say he was talking about a 1:00 a.m. arrival. That means the plane would leave California around 10:00 p.m. So a connecting passenger would have to land by 9:00 p.m. from their hometown.

Who would do that? Why would you (potentially) work a full day, rush to the airport to catch, say, a 6:00 p.m. flight to land at LAX/SFO at 9:00 to make a 10:00 connection to Hawaii that lands at 1:00 a.m. and pay for an extra night of hotel that you won't get to until 2:00 a.m.?! Sounds like a horrible way to start a vacation! Why wouldn't you just leave the next morning at a reasonable hour and connect to the 2:00 p.m. bank that gets you to Hawaii around 5:00 and to your hotel in time for a beachside dinner?
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:09 pm

Im curious as to what they could do to the IAH schedule. Its just a daily flight and it already connects on both ends well.
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Pyrex wrote:
LIH had chickens running around inside the terminal


You mean the locals?
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:16 pm

Do not know OGG. LIH had chickens running around inside the terminal, but otherwise could be worse - at least there were a couple of places to eat, unlike the G pier at HNL which only had the Quiznos.


I haven't seen chickens inside OGG, but plenty of small birds. A goodly part of the airport is open to the outside, and the little critters do find ways in and back out. I actually find it rather charming. Outside of the airport, and I mean immediately outside the terminal, yes, I've seen plenty of chickens. They're like rats in New York, meaning they're EVERYWHERE.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:37 pm

I've always been attracted to later departures from the continent to Hawaii especially if I am on the east coast. Right now even if your taking the nonstops from the east to Honolulu, your waking up at some godawful hour to make your flight that makes the connection, just to get to Honolulu. More flexibility in coming from the east, in which you arrive early in the morning Hawaii time is attractive to many who don't want to travel all day to just arrive in Honolulu at 10 p.m. at night.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:48 pm

I think it makes sense to adjust the schedules to allow more connections in DEN. LAX and SFO will probably still be geared toward local traffic.
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The G terminal (old diamond head terminal) is slated to be replaced as part of the modernization.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:00 pm

LAXintl wrote:
On the schedules from what I gather they are planning in maximizing mid-day/evening departures from mainland hubs to allow more interior US cities to connect to Hawaii flights. Today bulk of Hawaii departures from mainland are early morning hours and late evening returns which limits hub connection opportunity.


A midnight (or later) departure from DEN to the Islands in the wintertime, using a 757, could arrive around 5am and enable departures from the East coast in the 9pm hour. Conversely, a return around 7:00am to DEN would connect with the ~5pm departure bank, which, in the current schedule, is a major push.

From the West Coast, the shoulder season schedule has some daylight turns, like LAX-LIH, as the only service on the route. A later departure, turning to a redeye mainland return, would certainly connect better with other cities.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:21 pm

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I think it makes sense to adjust the schedules to allow more connections in DEN. LAX and SFO will probably still be geared toward local traffic.


What needs to change at DEN? It arrives at 7am or so and connects to a large 8-9am bank. To HNL it leaves at noon which accumulates connections from the 8-9 and the big 10-11 bank.
 
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Great news as they are the largest Carrier to the island out of the US3


I believe UA is the biggest carrier Hawaii-US48, period.
 
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UALFAson wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough.


Yeah, that quote doesn't make much sense. Let's say he was talking about a 1:00 a.m. arrival. That means the plane would leave California around 10:00 p.m. So a connecting passenger would have to land by 9:00 p.m. from their hometown.

Who would do that? Why would you (potentially) work a full day, rush to the airport to catch, say, a 6:00 p.m. flight to land at LAX/SFO at 9:00 to make a 10:00 connection to Hawaii that lands at 1:00 a.m. and pay for an extra night of hotel that you won't get to until 2:00 a.m.?! Sounds like a horrible way to start a vacation! Why wouldn't you just leave the next morning at a reasonable hour and connect to the 2:00 p.m. bank that gets you to Hawaii around 5:00 and to your hotel in time for a beachside dinner?


Well, (Central Time Zone) passengers who would arrive at 1-2am local time would feel like 6 or 7am "biological time"...so they MIGHT be up to do something arrival day...maybe. :lol:
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:20 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Coalways wrote:
Great news as they are the largest Carrier to the island out of the US3


I believe UA is the biggest carrier Hawaii-US48, period.


Depends what your metric is. If its pax, it's Hawaiian. If its destinations served, its someone else. Everyone likes to pick whatever suits their agenda, I suppose.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:27 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Coalways wrote:
Great news as they are the largest Carrier to the island out of the US3


I believe UA is the biggest carrier Hawaii-US48, period.


Depends what your metric is. If its pax, it's Hawaiian. If its destinations served, its someone else. Everyone likes to pick whatever suits their agenda, I suppose.


Incorrect. If it's pax it's also UA, not Hawaiian:

Full Year 2018 Capacity between Continental US and Hawaii, Nondirectional Seats:

UA: 5.3M
HA: 4.5M
AS: 3.2M
AA: 2.8M
DL: 2.4M

Load Factor, Year Ending May 2018, Continental US to/from Hawaii:

UA: 82.07%
HA: 89.11%
AS: 86.82%
AA: 85.64%
DL: 90.39%

Thus, when we combine the load factor and capacity figures (albeit using slightly different time periods but still annualized), UA will carry roughly 300,000 more passengers between the continental US and Hawaii in 2018. United is the largest carrier between the continental US and Hawaii measured by flights, seats, ASMs, pax, and almost unquestionably - revenue.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:57 pm

UALFAson wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough.


Yeah, that quote doesn't make much sense. Let's say he was talking about a 1:00 a.m. arrival. That means the plane would leave California around 10:00 p.m. So a connecting passenger would have to land by 9:00 p.m. from their hometown.

Who would do that? Why would you (potentially) work a full day, rush to the airport to catch, say, a 6:00 p.m. flight to land at LAX/SFO at 9:00 to make a 10:00 connection to Hawaii that lands at 1:00 a.m. and pay for an extra night of hotel that you won't get to until 2:00 a.m.?! Sounds like a horrible way to start a vacation! Why wouldn't you just leave the next morning at a reasonable hour and connect to the 2:00 p.m. bank that gets you to Hawaii around 5:00 and to your hotel in time for a beachside dinner?


What might make sense is reducing the number of aircraft that operate morning and mid-day flights to Hawaii and then sit around waiting to return as a redeye. I have recently done a 1800 flight from LAX to OGG connecting from SLC. It wasn't what I picked when I booked (we were forced onto it by an IRROP), but it actually worked pretty well.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:28 pm

Would EWR to HNL work out as a west bound red-eye better than any of them?
Or split between the IAD hub and EWR hub for time of day departures? One with "normal" time and the other with the red eye westbound....would give access to two completely departure windows from the East Coast.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:31 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
I think it makes sense to adjust the schedules to allow more connections in DEN. LAX and SFO will probably still be geared toward local traffic.


What needs to change at DEN? It arrives at 7am or so and connects to a large 8-9am bank. To HNL it leaves at noon which accumulates connections from the 8-9 and the big 10-11 bank.
I don’t know, but that is where the article said they were going to start.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:35 pm

codc10 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
On the schedules from what I gather they are planning in maximizing mid-day/evening departures from mainland hubs to allow more interior US cities to connect to Hawaii flights. Today bulk of Hawaii departures from mainland are early morning hours and late evening returns which limits hub connection opportunity.


A midnight (or later) departure from DEN to the Islands in the wintertime, using a 757, could arrive around 5am and enable departures from the East coast in the 9pm hour. Conversely, a return around 7:00am to DEN would connect with the ~5pm departure bank, which, in the current schedule, is a major push.

From the West Coast, the shoulder season schedule has some daylight turns, like LAX-LIH, as the only service on the route. A later departure, turning to a redeye mainland return, would certainly connect better with other cities.


Definitely correct on the ex-DEN flights, and I could definetly see a ~10:45p departure to HNL with the late bank of DEN flights.

But....a flight leaving HNL at 7:00a probably wouldn't get to DEN until ~5:45p, which is more than an hour after the major eastbound bank has left. Even if it left HNL at 6:00a it would miss that bank. Not sure why UA thinks that makes connecting to Hawaii "easier" to/from DEN
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:41 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough

I know HA does it from LAS daily, I wonder how well it does.



Las to HNL does very well but it mostly locals coming home. It arrives into HNL leaved las around 130am around 0630am.

If United schedules their arrivals around 6 AM or 7am there should be demand.
 
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kunta67 wrote:
The G terminal (old diamond head terminal) is slated to be replaced as part of the modernization.




This says the concourse remains but they’ll add a commuter concourse to the end.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:24 am

Just left HNL a few weeks ago. What a real disappointing welcome to America for many tourists and even the mainlanders. The UA club is the same one your parents used 40 years ago, good thing they have nice people. The carpet is leftover from the original Sands hotel in Vegas. Staging areas for the 370pax 772A are woefully undersized making it very stressful pre 8hr flight to ORD, etc. Nothing has changed in my 7 trips since 2002 until now. Not sure what $200m will go to, but it seems light if it were to fix just the HNL issues, let alone spruce up the other islands (which, for some reason, I hold to a lower standard because they are smaller and feel more "islandy"?)
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:30 am

UALFAson wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
So if I read that Tribune article correct, they are going to retask some of their hub flights to do westbound 'red eyes'...I don't know if arriving early, EARLY in the morning in the Islands is a good thing. I understand the late departures but the logistics on the Hawaii side would be tough.


Yeah, that quote doesn't make much sense. Let's say he was talking about a 1:00 a.m. arrival. That means the plane would leave California around 10:00 p.m. So a connecting passenger would have to land by 9:00 p.m. from their hometown.

Who would do that? Why would you (potentially) work a full day, rush to the airport to catch, say, a 6:00 p.m. flight to land at LAX/SFO at 9:00 to make a 10:00 connection to Hawaii that lands at 1:00 a.m. and pay for an extra night of hotel that you won't get to until 2:00 a.m.?! Sounds like a horrible way to start a vacation! Why wouldn't you just leave the next morning at a reasonable hour and connect to the 2:00 p.m. bank that gets you to Hawaii around 5:00 and to your hotel in time for a beachside dinner?

I work 15 minutes away from the airport, while my house is 55 minutes away, in the wrong direction. I’d be all over that. Get the hell out of work and go to Hawaii? Good deal.
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 2:55 am

They said, apparently, that
"United will use the money to modernize tools and resources used by company employees at the state's airports, as well as enhancing its customer experience."
Since the state owns the terminals, but not the tenant equipment, this makes sense. That doesn't sound like fixing the basic problem at the Diamond Head--which is, as others have noted, essentially unchanged in decades. The state claims to be working on upgrades and modernization at all the major airports (KOA, OGG, HNL, LIH--not sure ITO). But, as with all such things here, it will happen on Island Time. United hasn't had much competitive need to upgrade anything in the Hawai`i service in decades. If Southwest's imminent service forces UAL to take their Mainland-Hawai`i customers a little less for granted, That's A Good Thing.

Chickens pretty much anywhere on Kaua`i are par for the course. One learns to accept it.

About scheduling changes, the Star-Advertiser article says
"United plans to shift scheduling at hubs so consumers can leave the mainland overnight and get to Hawaii in the morning. The carrier is expected to launch a major scheduling change at its Denver hub in February to allow for shorter connections between flights to Hawaii."
I'm wondering what they mean when they say "get to Hawaii in the morning". Maybe they are saying they'd add/shift to flights to HI after the last bank arrives in SFO/LAX in the evening? But what time would they arrive? Westbound "redeye" crossings don't make much sense to me. Except for Honolulu, the islands are *not* night places. (And Honolulu is not much better.) Arriving here between midnight and five AM is going to be a pretty useless thing. Who's going to want to leave SFO or LAX at 1 or 2 in the morning to get here at sunrise?

I read the comment about shifting schedules in Denver as shifting which bank the westbounds depart / the eastbounds arrive to better match with connecting banks from / to the rest of the UAL system around and east of Denver. It's already the one UA hub where there are midday connections to and from the islands (Well, morning connections for eastbound, anyway.) Waiting to see the schedules that roll this out...

Full disclosure: we fly LIH-DEN-LIH frequently. For obvious reasons, UAL is our default carrier of "choice".

Edit to add: note that they said the $200M will be spread over 9 years. That can't be much above just baseline recapitalization.
 
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Re: United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:21 am

airportugal310 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Coalways wrote:
Great news as they are the largest Carrier to the island out of the US3


I believe UA is the biggest carrier Hawaii-US48, period.


Depends what your metric is. If its pax, it's Hawaiian. If its destinations served, its someone else. Everyone likes to pick whatever suits their agenda, I suppose.


How many times do we have to go over this? You most likely work for HA or possibly are simply enamored by them but the numbers do not support your assertions. You seem to be the only one with an agenda. As a matter of fact, I personally provided the hard numbers for you several months ago that were supported by several other posters.

Highest number of available seats is a unilaterally accepted metric for "largest carrier" in a market. As for destinations served, UA flies to all 5 "major airports" in Hawaii from the US48. AA,AS,DL,HA operate to 4/5. So maybe its time to concede and admit that HA isn't there yet.

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Re: United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:33 am

The state has been putting up renderings and talking about modernizing HNL for literally a decade now. Unbelievable that no progress has been made, other than renaming the concourses and renumbering the gates. I like the vintage mid-century charm, but as passenger numbers have picked up since 2008, it's mostly just crowded and hot and shabby-looking these days.

The Neighbor Island airports are looking really tired these days, too - I still think of them as modern because I can remember when they opened, but they're very, very dated now.
 
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Re: United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:48 am

jsnww81 wrote:
The state has been putting up renderings and talking about modernizing HNL for literally a decade now. Unbelievable that no progress has been made, other than renaming the concourses and renumbering the gates. I like the vintage mid-century charm, but as passenger numbers have picked up since 2008, it's mostly just crowded and hot and shabby-looking these days.

The Neighbor Island airports are looking really tired these days, too - I still think of them as modern because I can remember when they opened, but they're very, very dated now.


Therein lies the problem. Most people actually don't know what they're talking about. Yes, the airport is way behind where it needs to be. But to say nothing is being done is a falsehood. The C concourse, formally known as the Ewa wing, has been widened with new concessions, new podiums installed, new restrooms and new glass barriers installed to facilitate international arrivals better. The same is being done to the G concourse, formerly known as Diamond Head. The old commuter terminal is nearly done with its demolition and the new Mauka concourse will start construction at that site shortly. There are lots of projects in motion and others in the works.

As for the UA schedules, reverse red-eyes sound like an awful way to start ones Hawaiian vacation. I can't imagine this truly being what UA has planned. It'll be interesting to see where they spend this $200 million. Sounds like they're as frustrated with the state as HAL is and electing to throw their own money at the projects because the state is too inept to get anything done right, ontime and effectively.
 
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Re: United spend $200mil on Hawaii facilities, adjust schedules

Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:13 am

Who's going to want to leave SFO or LAX at 1 or 2 in the morning to get here at sunrise?


Um, me.

I do Hawaii at least 2X a year now, maybe 3X if I can get the right prices. I find myself trying to arrive as early as possible. The earlier you can get in, the more time you have on the beach or wherever. Arriving in the afternoon means that your first day is mostly lost after grabbing your luggage, waiting FOREVER at the glacially slow car rental sites and then driving to your condo or hotel room. I'm not even counting the time spent grocery or booze shopping! I'd much rather leave late at night or early in the morning California time and arrive very early Hawaii time. That's more time spent on the beach!

If United starts running late night/early morning flights to the Islands, they'll fill the seats. It would also imply late morning departures for the mainland after turning the planes around, which would mean more flyers would return earlier, perhaps during daylight hours if to the West Coast. That's not a bad thing, either. It all depends upon one's particular circumstances. Personally, I like the idea. Others flying from further away may not.

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