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Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:05 am

Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:08 am

I recall someone telling me they flew 747SP's.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:26 am

As far as I know, EWR got UA 747s on domestic transcons and from ORD here and there, but never had service to Asia at any time on UA metal. United did fly JFK-NRT non-stop for many years, the earliest solid record I could find of that flight is 1989, with UA801 departing JFK at 1150 and arriving at 1555 daily with a 747-200.

It looks like in 1985, United had 2 daily 747s on ORD-EWR-ORD, but no 747s on the transcons.
http://www.departedflights.com/EWR85p2.html
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:30 am

Having grown up around EWR, Absolutely there was a United 747SP or 200 parked at Newark everyday. As for thier destinations i'm not sure. This was the late 80s early 90s.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:38 am

A lot of the guys I fly with on the 57 out on the west coast tell stories of a -400 base in EWR back in maybe mid 90’s. I never knew that until hearing from the guys that actually flew it.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:25 am

kaitakfan wrote:
A lot of the guys I fly with on the 57 out on the west coast tell stories of a -400 base in EWR back in maybe mid 90’s. I never knew that until hearing from the guys that actually flew it.

I would assume United did like most other carrier did/do now and any base that is at JFK is technically a base for EWR and LGA as well. Most airlines lump ll three NYC airports together.

example, technically Delta has a A330 pilot base at EWR and LGA even though they don't have any 330 flights out of those airports.

I don't remember United ever flying the 744 into EWR outside of diversions/charters/ one-off domestic flights.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:41 am

PMUA did fly EWR-LHR back in the day when they picked up all those LHR slots. Not sure when they dropped it, but I'd guess sometime after 9/11.
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:54 am

Old UA did in fact serve EWR-NRT. It was dropped around 96-97 IIRC.

When they consolidated to JFK, CO issued press release highlighting the push for CO’s own EWR-NRT and put it in the DNU. I remember it cause back at the time I was very enchanted by the glory of 90s United But I mean RTW flights!! How could you not be??
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:14 am

Yes, UA flew EWR-NRT from 1989 to 1997. They also flew EWR-LHR from 1990 to 2004.
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:39 am

STT757 wrote:
Yes, UA flew EWR-NRT from 1989 to 1997.


I'm surprised they managed to send a 747 to NRT out of EWR due to runway length back then.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:58 am

They did fly EWR-NRT in the past, I was on that flight. IT may have been an SP, since I believe it was before the 747-400.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:35 am

An interesting archive of NYC-NRT service. Focused on JFK. But does mention UA EWR and the 74L

viewtopic.php?t=252449


Searching the photo data base it looks like UA & SV were the most frequent 74L in EWR.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:29 pm

Here's a historic listing of all United 747 routes, EWR-NRT was served with a 74SP, 742 and 744. You can see UA also operated the 74SP, 742 and 744 on EWR-LHR.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275587/united-airlines-boeing-747-network-1970-2017/
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:51 pm

UA mostly operated the 772 on EWR-LHR, but at the start, it was a 747SP for a time.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:34 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:
A lot of the guys I fly with on the 57 out on the west coast tell stories of a -400 base in EWR back in maybe mid 90’s. I never knew that until hearing from the guys that actually flew it.

I would assume United did like most other carrier did/do now and any base that is at JFK is technically a base for EWR and LGA as well. Most airlines lump ll three NYC airports together.

example, technically Delta has a A330 pilot base at EWR and LGA even though they don't have any 330 flights out of those airports.


The base is "New York" and covers all three airports. Same effect, but it's not really correct to say they have bases at EWR, LGA, and JFK. It's just a single base that serves all three airports.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:35 pm

Josh32121 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:
A lot of the guys I fly with on the 57 out on the west coast tell stories of a -400 base in EWR back in maybe mid 90’s. I never knew that until hearing from the guys that actually flew it.

I would assume United did like most other carrier did/do now and any base that is at JFK is technically a base for EWR and LGA as well. Most airlines lump ll three NYC airports together.

example, technically Delta has a A330 pilot base at EWR and LGA even though they don't have any 330 flights out of those airports.


The base is "New York" and covers all three airports. Same effect, but it's not really correct to say they have bases at EWR, LGA, and JFK. It's just a single base that serves all three airports.

you explained it better than I did what thats what I was getting at.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:20 pm

UA also flew JFK-NRT and JFK-LHR for a number of years.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:23 pm

UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:38 pm

STT757 wrote:
Here's a historic listing of all United 747 routes, EWR-NRT was served with a 74SP, 742 and 744. You can see UA also operated the 74SP, 742 and 744 on EWR-LHR.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/275587/united-airlines-boeing-747-network-1970-2017/

United in fact operated B747-122's from EWR as UA-34 EWR-SFO-HNL and in the reverse as UA-35. I worked the Terminal while on Probation as a new mechanic
and I sweated every day when the flight arrived as i was "scared spitless" it might take a delay and I wouldn't pass my Probation.
I once stopped the flight for a running fuel leak and was petrified my Foreman would Fire me for writing it up.
He later yelled at me and Laughed about it saying. "WTF you think we've got you out there to DO? Poster boy for affirmative action?"
"Don't sweat it !! That's what we Expect! "
Now get over to the Hangar and help defuel the plane so you can Fix it ! I was there another 35 years. and Later on became the Foreman on that SAME Terminal.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:40 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger


EWR-NRT was operated with JFK-NRT, along with EWR-LHR, for a few years in the 90s. EWR-LHR lasted longer, though, for a while as a through flight DEN-EWR-LHR with a 777.

I don't think the -400 ever made it to EWR-NRT... it was always SPs or "rope-start" 747-200Bs.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:21 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger

Like he said, UA did fly 747SPs and occasional 747-200s EWR-NRT nonstop years before merging. Look at a timetable/OAG and you'll see.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:24 pm

When was EWR-NRT discontinued?
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:02 pm

UA857 wrote:
When was EWR-NRT discontinued?


I believe early 1997. During this time UA also tried out flying EWR-SEA/SAN, IIRC. They also flew EWR-MIA until 1999.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:06 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger

I wouldn't be so sure about that. When I flew NRT-JFK on United 800 back in August of 2006, it was flown by a Boeing 777-200ER rather than a Boeing 747-400. I also don't remember that flight lasting all the way to the merger.
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Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:13 am

AirKevin wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger

I wouldn't be so sure about that. When I flew NRT-JFK on United 800 back in August of 2006, it was flown by a Boeing 777-200ER rather than a Boeing 747-400. I also don't remember that flight lasting all the way to the merger.


JFKNRT was gone long before the merger. I believe it was cut some time in 2006/07.
 
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:16 am

I flew it on an SP in 1991.
 
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Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:44 am

AirKevin wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Back when United had 747-200s did they operated EWR-NRT?

No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger

I wouldn't be so sure about that. When I flew NRT-JFK on United 800 back in August of 2006, it was flown by a Boeing 777-200ER rather than a Boeing 747-400. I also don't remember that flight lasting all the way to the merger.


UA did operate the 747-200 on JFK-NRT in the 1990s (these were specially configured with a larger Connoisseur Class cabin, as United Business was then know as) but by 1997 it switched to a 747-400. And yes, JFK-NRT was axed long before the UA/CO merger. UA also briefly operated JFK-HKG to compete with CO, which went nonstop on EWR-HKG.
 
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Cointrin330 wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
No, United operated JFK-NRT with 2 B747-222B's then B747-422's up to the time of the merger then operated from EWR after the merger

I wouldn't be so sure about that. When I flew NRT-JFK on United 800 back in August of 2006, it was flown by a Boeing 777-200ER rather than a Boeing 747-400. I also don't remember that flight lasting all the way to the merger.


UA did operate the 747-200 on JFK-NRT in the 1990s (these were specially configured with a larger Connoisseur Class cabin, as United Business was then know as) but by 1997 it switched to a 747-400. And yes, JFK-NRT was axed long before the UA/CO merger. UA also briefly operated JFK-HKG to compete with CO, which went nonstop on EWR-HKG.

Right. I'm not disputing the fact that either aircraft operated the route at some point, merely the fact that they operated the route on the 747-400 up until the merger, as it was a 777-200ER when I flew it in 2006.
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Re: Did United operate EWR-NRT prior to merger with CO

Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:29 pm

UA857 wrote:
http://www.departedflights.com/NRT96intro.html does not show Newark.

Timetable says NRT-EWR ended earlier in 1996.
 
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Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:47 pm

timz wrote:
UA857 wrote:
http://www.departedflights.com/NRT96intro.html does not show Newark.

Timetable says NRT-EWR ended earlier in 1996.


Check this out: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 1970-2017/

Looks like it was gone in April 1996 and a 744 flew it briefly.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:03 am

Was EWR-NRT acquired from PA?
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm

UA857 wrote:
Was EWR-NRT acquired from PA?


I believe, like the London rights, the Tokyo authorities did not designate any NYC airport in particular but was a general authority to fly to NYC. When UA bought the London rights from Pan Am it automatically gave them the ability to fly from London to both EWR and JFK on day one of the operation, which they did. The Tokyo rights gave them the same rights, but it took two-three years for UA to take advantage and launch NRT-EWR.
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STT757 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Was EWR-NRT acquired from PA?


I believe, like the London rights, the Tokyo authorities did not designate any NYC airport in particular but was a general authority to fly to NYC. When UA bought the London rights from Pan Am it automatically gave them the ability to fly from London to both EWR and JFK on day one of the operation, which they did. The Tokyo rights gave them the same rights, but it took two-three years for UA to take advantage and launch NRT-EWR.

Did PA ever fly EWR-NRT?
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:20 am

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UA857 wrote:
When was EWR-NRT discontinued?


I believe early 1997. During this time UA also tried out flying EWR-SEA/SAN, IIRC. They also flew EWR-MIA until 1999.



UA dabbled a bit in EWR in the 90s. When they tried EWR-BOS however there was a bit a of a old school response. CO launched BOS-ORD SAN-ORD and LAX-SFO. The ORD routes were dropped as soon and UA backed down from EWR-BOS. But LAX-SFO hung on a bit longer till CO cut SFO-HNL (a legacy of the HNL hub) and started EWR-HNL nonstop.
 
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Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:03 pm

UA857 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Was EWR-NRT acquired from PA?


I believe, like the London rights, the Tokyo authorities did not designate any NYC airport in particular but was a general authority to fly to NYC. When UA bought the London rights from Pan Am it automatically gave them the ability to fly from London to both EWR and JFK on day one of the operation, which they did. The Tokyo rights gave them the same rights, but it took two-three years for UA to take advantage and launch NRT-EWR.

Did PA ever fly EWR-NRT?


No, but their route authorities allowed them to if they wished.
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tpaewr wrote:
N649DL wrote:
UA857 wrote:
When was EWR-NRT discontinued?


I believe early 1997. During this time UA also tried out flying EWR-SEA/SAN, IIRC. They also flew EWR-MIA until 1999.



UA dabbled a bit in EWR in the 90s. When they tried EWR-BOS however there was a bit a of a old school response. CO launched BOS-ORD SAN-ORD and LAX-SFO. The ORD routes were dropped as soon and UA backed down from EWR-BOS. But LAX-SFO hung on a bit longer till CO cut SFO-HNL (a legacy of the HNL hub) and started EWR-HNL nonstop.


It wasn't just EWR-BOS, UA also launched EWR-SAN and EWR-SEA.
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STT757 wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
N649DL wrote:

I believe early 1997. During this time UA also tried out flying EWR-SEA/SAN, IIRC. They also flew EWR-MIA until 1999.



UA dabbled a bit in EWR in the 90s. When they tried EWR-BOS however there was a bit a of a old school response. CO launched BOS-ORD SAN-ORD and LAX-SFO. The ORD routes were dropped as soon and UA backed down from EWR-BOS. But LAX-SFO hung on a bit longer till CO cut SFO-HNL (a legacy of the HNL hub) and started EWR-HNL nonstop.


It wasn't just EWR-BOS, UA also launched EWR-SAN and EWR-SEA.


I recall. There's an article I found online an NYT article about how UAL was trying to go up against CO by offering more premium economy type services like a separate dessert portion on the route (or something like that.) Did PMUA fly EWR-BOS? If they did it was probably United Express. For the life of me I can't find the article anymore and there's nada on departedflights.com. Probably only operated for a year like 1997-1998.

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