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Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:21 am

Just wondering if anyone knows how old the dash 8-100 s are that air Canada is flying?
What are their plans om retiring them?
What would replace them ?
What is there major maintenance service PMs
Include on these old girls.

There a noisy bird but a lot of fun to fly in.
They still have the old seats with the ashtrays in them.
Lol
Thanks for your time on this matter
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:34 am

Internet is your friend. planespotters.net has fleet listings and statistics. Here is a link to AC Jazz for a start...they are not in service according to this link. Not sure what other airlines are flying the -100 for AC though...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Jazz

You may need to make an account and sign in to see details...but that is easy and worth it if you want the info.

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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:57 am

There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:52 am

14 is the last count I heard a couple of months ago. They’re all in the east. YAM is as far west as they get nowadays and I believe YFC is the furthest east they go.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:11 am

aeromoe wrote:
Internet is your friend. planespotters.net has fleet listings and statistics. Here is a link to AC Jazz for a start...they are not in service according to this link. Not sure what other airlines are flying the -100 for AC though...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Jazz

You may need to make an account and sign in to see details...but that is easy and worth it if you want the info.

Moe


If you’re going to lecture another member on researching before posting, you could at least link to the right page:

https://planespotters.net/airline/Jazz-Air

The above (correct) link on Planespotters shows 16 still in the fleet, though I would definitely trust Dominion301 to be more up to date! I didn’t realize the fleet had shrunk so much and was confined to the east at this point. I thought there would still have been a few in YVR.

If I understand correctly, there is no clear plan on the horizon to replace them. Some trimming in frequencies would be expected on some of the markets it still serves, if those can’t justify the larger props otherwise. It will be interesting to see if any routes get cut completely.

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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:35 am

Jean Leloup wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
Internet is your friend. planespotters.net has fleet listings and statistics. Here is a link to AC Jazz for a start...they are not in service according to this link. Not sure what other airlines are flying the -100 for AC though...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Jazz

You may need to make an account and sign in to see details...but that is easy and worth it if you want the info.

Moe


If you’re going to lecture another member on researching before posting, you could at least link to the right page:

https://planespotters.net/airline/Jazz-Air

The above (correct) link on Planespotters shows 16 still in the fleet, though I would definitely trust Dominion301 to be more up to date! I didn’t realize the fleet had shrunk so much and was confined to the east at this point. I thought there would still have been a few in YVR.

If I understand correctly, there is no clear plan on the horizon to replace them. Some trimming in frequencies would be expected on some of the markets it still serves, if those can’t justify the larger props otherwise. It will be interesting to see if any routes get cut completely.

Jean Leloup


Hey Jean, I just checked AC’s fleet page and it says 15 active DH1s. lol go figure!

I think the only remaining exclusively DH1 operated routes are YOW-YQB/YFC/YXU, YQB-YGP/YGR/YZV, YUL-YZV, YYZ-YGK/YYB. All of those could easily absorb a DH3, likely without any changes in frequency (maybe the two afrorementioned YYZ routes might see a frequency downgauged to a BEH). In fact, YOW-YFC was on a CRJ during summer 2016...so a precedent has been set already.

What’s also fascinating is that apart from a single daily YOW-YUL, there are currently zero DH3s operating anywhere else in Ontario.

The frequency decreases have largely already happened as 1 Q400 replaced 2 DH1s. However, it’s pretty clear AC will eventually need more Q400s so that DH3s can displace DH1s, if the DH1 fleet were to go away completely. At this point, I can’t see that happening within the next 3 years.

As a complete aside, I see AC are currently operating 3x 321 Rouge, along with 1x 319 Rouge and 2x Express E75 on YYZ-YQB. What a huge capacity jump this year from the exclusive Q400 lineup on the route.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:57 am

Jean Leloup wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
Internet is your friend. planespotters.net has fleet listings and statistics. Here is a link to AC Jazz for a start...they are not in service according to this link. Not sure what other airlines are flying the -100 for AC though...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Jazz

You may need to make an account and sign in to see details...but that is easy and worth it if you want the info.

Moe


If you’re going to lecture another member on researching before posting, you could at least link to the right page:

https://planespotters.net/airline/Jazz-Air

The above (correct) link on Planespotters shows 16 still in the fleet, though I would definitely trust Dominion301 to be more up to date! I didn’t realize the fleet had shrunk so much and was confined to the east at this point. I thought there would still have been a few in YVR.

If I understand correctly, there is no clear plan on the horizon to replace them. Some trimming in frequencies would be expected on some of the markets it still serves, if those can’t justify the larger props otherwise. It will be interesting to see if any routes get cut completely.

Jean Leloup


Chill our Dude! Far from a lecture. If anything, he was just trying to help the guy.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:39 am

From FlightRadar24 fleet status, C-GTAI hasn't been tracked since Feb and C-GKON since near end of August. The other 14 have current flights.

REGISTRATION AIRCRAFT TYPE SERIAL NUMBER (MSN) AGE
C-FGQK Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 193 28 years
C-FGRC Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 195 28 years
C-FGRM Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 199 28 years
C-FGRP Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 207 28 years
C-FGRY Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 212 28 years
C-FJMG Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 255 27 years
C-FPON Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 171 29 years
C-GION Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 127 29 years
C-GJIG Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 068 31 years
C-GKON Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 130 29 years
C-GONJ Bombardier Dash 8-100 095 30 years
C-GONR Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 109 30 years
C-GONW Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 112 30 years
C-GONX Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 118 29 years
C-GONY Bombardier Dash 8 Q100 115 29 years
C-GTAI Bombardier Dash 8-100 078 31 years

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airl ... -aca/fleet

Also, the 300 fleet isn't much younger but I recall a number of them are going through a life extension program with BBD:
DH8C 26
REGISTRATION AIRCRAFT TYPE SERIAL NUMBER (MSN) AGE
C-FACF Bombardier Dash 8-300 259 27 years
C-FACT Bombardier Dash 8-300 262 27 years
C-FACV Bombardier Dash 8-300 278 27 years
C-FADF Bombardier Dash 8-300 272 27 years
C-FJFM Bombardier Dash 8-300 240 27 years
C-FJVV Bombardier Dash 8-300 271 27 years
C-FJXZ Bombardier Dash 8-300 264 27 years
C-FMDW Bombardier Dash 8-300 269 27 years
C-FRUZ Bombardier Dash 8-300 293 27 years
C-FSOU Bombardier Dash 8-300 342 25 years
C-FTAK Bombardier Dash 8-300 246 27 years
C-GABO Bombardier Dash 8-300 248 27 years
C-GABP Bombardier Dash 8-300 257 27 years
C-GETA Bombardier Dash 8-300 186 28 years
C-GEWQ Bombardier Dash 8-300 202 28 years
C-GHTA Bombardier Dash 8-300 198 28 years
C-GKTA Bombardier Dash 8-300 124 29 years
C-GLTA Bombardier Dash 8-300 154 29 years
C-GMON Bombardier Dash 8-300 131 29 years
C-GMTA Bombardier Dash 8-300 174 28 years
C-GNON Bombardier Dash 8-300 137 29 years
C-GTAG Bombardier Dash 8-300 200 28 years
C-GTAQ Bombardier Dash 8 Q300 180 28 years
C-GTAT Bombardier Dash 8-300 188 28 years
C-GUON Bombardier Dash 8-300 143 29 years
C-GVON Bombardier Dash 8-300 149 28 year
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:43 pm

At YVR only the DHC8-300 (50 seats) and DHC8-400Q (74-78 seats) is operated by QK, along with the CRJ900 jet.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:01 pm

30 years! That’s seems old for a commercial bird.
Must be a great design and a money maker to be hanging around that long
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:50 pm

HJM wrote:
At YVR only the DHC8-300 (50 seats) and DHC8-400Q (74-78 seats) is operated by QK, along with the CRJ900 jet.

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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:54 pm

They better be still in service, I just flew one a few months ago and bid some routes that they’re on for next month :P

In actual fact the remaining -100 fleet is going to be phased out slowly over the next years as there is no plans to life extend them unlike our -301/-311 fleet. As for the 1900 rumour, not true, they aren’t replacing the -100 routes. I believe that eventually all 300s will move east to replace the -100s and new planes will replace the -300s out west (there is interest in the new 90 seat Q).
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:01 pm

And my 2 bete-noirs still hang in there somehow... C-GION (Ion) and C-GONR (Goner)... Don't know how many times those flew me YTS-YYZ or the reverse mostly when they still wore Air Ontario on them... figures half the -100s remaining would be ex-GX ones. Though i will miss the baby Dash when they are gone.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:13 pm

Dominion301 couldn’t be anymore correct in his information.

There are many rumours about what will happen with the current DH1 fleet, they’re slated for retirement, however AC also isn’t a fan of the BEH. So I could see QK absorbing some of ZX/8K BEH routes.

The schedule change for the W19 flying shows some changes in the DH1 operation. All the YYZ dash classic flying will be operated in the DH3, with the exception of BDL which will stay on the DH1 and rotate through YUL. All the YUL dash classic flying is slated to go on the DH1, as is YHZ-YQY/YFC. YHZ-YDF/YQX reduced frequency sees only Q400 operation for the winter.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:07 pm

Jazz has 15 Dash 8-100's, G-GKON is in heavy maintenance in YHZ until later this month and C-GTAI has been stored.

Although Transport Canada certified the Q400 in a 90Y configuration in August, I don't think you will see a 90 seat Q400 enter the Jazz fleet as the seat pitch would just be killer on the knees.

As the classic fleet retires, I think Jazz will add additional Q400's in the 78Y configuration (which is on all of their Q fleet, excluding 5 aircraft that came from SKV) and/or additional CR9's.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:44 pm

willenglish wrote:
Dominion301 couldn’t be anymore correct in his information.

There are many rumours about what will happen with the current DH1 fleet, they’re slated for retirement, however AC also isn’t a fan of the BEH. So I could see QK absorbing some of ZX/8K BEH routes.

The schedule change for the W19 flying shows some changes in the DH1 operation. All the YYZ dash classic flying will be operated in the DH3, with the exception of BDL which will stay on the DH1 and rotate through YUL. All the YUL dash classic flying is slated to go on the DH1, as is YHZ-YQY/YFC. YHZ-YDF/YQX reduced frequency sees only Q400 operation for the winter.


Just wondering where this information is coming from, it's not reflected in dummy bookings.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:07 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
willenglish wrote:
Dominion301 couldn’t be anymore correct in his information.

There are many rumours about what will happen with the current DH1 fleet, they’re slated for retirement, however AC also isn’t a fan of the BEH. So I could see QK absorbing some of ZX/8K BEH routes.

The schedule change for the W19 flying shows some changes in the DH1 operation. All the YYZ dash classic flying will be operated in the DH3, with the exception of BDL which will stay on the DH1 and rotate through YUL. All the YUL dash classic flying is slated to go on the DH1, as is YHZ-YQY/YFC. YHZ-YDF/YQX reduced frequency sees only Q400 operation for the winter.


Just wondering where this information is coming from, it's not reflected in dummy bookings.



While I haven’t looked at dummy bookings, I can confirm that Dominion301 is accurate only because I fly the fleet and am privy to that info. Subject to change of course
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:54 pm

CFM565A1 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
willenglish wrote:
Dominion301 couldn’t be anymore correct in his information.

There are many rumours about what will happen with the current DH1 fleet, they’re slated for retirement, however AC also isn’t a fan of the BEH. So I could see QK absorbing some of ZX/8K BEH routes.

The schedule change for the W19 flying shows some changes in the DH1 operation. All the YYZ dash classic flying will be operated in the DH3, with the exception of BDL which will stay on the DH1 and rotate through YUL. All the YUL dash classic flying is slated to go on the DH1, as is YHZ-YQY/YFC. YHZ-YDF/YQX reduced frequency sees only Q400 operation for the winter.


Just wondering where this information is coming from, it's not reflected in dummy bookings.



While I haven’t looked at dummy bookings, I can confirm that Dominion301 is accurate only because I fly the fleet and am privy to that info. Subject to change of course


I did make one mistake as I said YFC is the further east they're currently going, but YZV, YGR and YGP all further east than YFC.

AC's winter schedule definitely isn't finalized. For example, I was looking at booking a YOW-YYZ Rapidair in November and was looking for the 763. It's currently only loaded in one direction YYZ-YOW. All YOW-YYZs are currently listed as E90s. Surely that can't be right. A daily 763 Rapidair is a must in order to rotate the ever dwindling 763 fleet, especially since YOW is now the only 763 destination out of LHR.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:49 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
CFM565A1 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:

Just wondering where this information is coming from, it's not reflected in dummy bookings.



While I haven’t looked at dummy bookings, I can confirm that Dominion301 is accurate only because I fly the fleet and am privy to that info. Subject to change of course


I did make one mistake as I said YFC is the further east they're currently going, but YZV, YGR and YGP all further east than YFC.

AC's winter schedule definitely isn't finalized. For example, I was looking at booking a YOW-YYZ Rapidair in November and was looking for the 763. It's currently only loaded in one direction YYZ-YOW. All YOW-YYZs are currently listed as E90s. Surely that can't be right. A daily 763 Rapidair is a must in order to rotate the ever dwindling 763 fleet, especially since YOW is now the only 763 destination out of LHR.


That is such a common Ac.com problem, you’ll have equipment accurately loaded one way but not the other.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:46 pm

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As a complete aside, I see AC are currently operating 3x 321 Rouge, along with 1x 319 Rouge and 2x Express E75 on YYZ-YQB. What a huge capacity jump this year from the exclusive Q400 lineup on the route.


Not really. If my memory is right, the route used to be 10+ daily Q400. Airlineroute a few months ago had it at 5x daily Rouge A319. No capacity increase there.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... bec%20City

If they are using A321s instead of the A319s, then they are providing the market with a small increase.

If im based in YQB and use AC for business trips, I would rather have 10 daily Q400 than 5x daily Rouge.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:03 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
As a complete aside, I see AC are currently operating 3x 321 Rouge, along with 1x 319 Rouge and 2x Express E75 on YYZ-YQB. What a huge capacity jump this year from the exclusive Q400 lineup on the route.


Not really. If my memory is right, the route used to be 10+ daily Q400. Airlineroute a few months ago had it at 5x daily Rouge A319. No capacity increase there.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... bec%20City

If they are using A321s instead of the A319s, then they are providing the market with a small increase.

If im based in YQB and use AC for business trips, I would rather have 10 daily Q400 than 5x daily Rouge.



YYZ-YQB has been flown by the same new(ish) A321 for Rouge for a few months now, (FYXF)... curious on a side note if anyone knows why it’s the usual suspect for that Route more so than the other 321s.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:27 pm

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I did make one mistake as I said YFC is the further east they're currently going, but YZV, YGR and YGP all further east than YFC.


Correct. I have personally flown the Dash 8-100 to Îles de la Madeleine (Grindstone) and Gaspé Quebec. Great places to fly to. I loved every second of it.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:17 am

curnewg wrote:
Jazz has 15 Dash 8-100's, G-GKON is in heavy maintenance in YHZ until later this month and C-GTAI has been stored.

Although Transport Canada certified the Q400 in a 90Y configuration in August, I don't think you will see a 90 seat Q400 enter the Jazz fleet as the seat pitch would just be killer on the knees.

As the classic fleet retires, I think Jazz will add additional Q400's in the 78Y configuration (which is on all of their Q fleet, excluding 5 aircraft that came from SKV) and/or additional CR9's.


The reason you won’t see a 90-seat Q400 at Jazz has nothing to do with legroom or lack thereof. The scope clause in Air Canada’s agreement with ACPA prevents regional carriers operating under the Air Canada banner from operating aircraft with greater than 76 seats; with the exception of Medium Propeller Aircraft (MPA), which are defined in the agreement as having greater than 23 seats but not more than 80 seats.

Personally I can’t see Air Canada pilots making any concessions in terms of scope in the future. AC has been struggling for the better part of a decade to improve labour relations with its pilots and the latest agreement seems to be fairly well received on both sides. I don’t think they’ll be opening that can of worms any time soon. I’m certain that Jazz will add more Q400s as the Dash-8-100s retire and the 300s take their place, but I’m quite confident they’ll be in the same configuration they are now.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:25 pm

Indeed. Would not make sense for AC to have multiple Q400 configurations, nor would it be allowed in the contract.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:23 pm

A bit off topic but is there any chance AC would pick up some of the newer Q300's? I know for example Commutair retired theirs recently.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:24 pm

A bit off topic but is there any chance AC would pick up some of the newer Q300's? I know for example Commutair retired theirs recently.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:27 pm

Flow a couple of these recently. They're in remarkably good shape considering their age. Definitely spring the extra few bucks to sit in 1C though.

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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:35 pm

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30 years! That’s seems old for a commercial bird.
Must be a great design and a money maker to be hanging around that long

Delta will probably pick them up. :D
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:53 pm

baje427 wrote:
A bit off topic but is there any chance AC would pick up some of the newer Q300's? I know for example Commutair retired theirs recently.


They picked up 2 ex Piedmont Q300s when American Eagle retired the type. Currently being converted to their spec.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:16 am

crownvic wrote:
Jean Leloup wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
Internet is your friend. planespotters.net has fleet listings and statistics. Here is a link to AC Jazz for a start...they are not in service according to this link. Not sure what other airlines are flying the -100 for AC though...

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-Canada-Jazz

You may need to make an account and sign in to see details...but that is easy and worth it if you want the info.

Moe


If you’re going to lecture another member on researching before posting, you could at least link to the right page:

https://planespotters.net/airline/Jazz-Air

The above (correct) link on Planespotters shows 16 still in the fleet, though I would definitely trust Dominion301 to be more up to date! I didn’t realize the fleet had shrunk so much and was confined to the east at this point. I thought there would still have been a few in YVR.

If I understand correctly, there is no clear plan on the horizon to replace them. Some trimming in frequencies would be expected on some of the markets it still serves, if those can’t justify the larger props otherwise. It will be interesting to see if any routes get cut completely.

Jean Leloup


Chill our Dude! Far from a lecture. If anything, he was just trying to help the guy.


It's OK...let him speak his mind. I can see how it might have been construed as a "lecture" but that wasn't the intention. Sure, I could've done some more research to find the exact page for those in service Dash 8 100s but I didn't. Point taken, and thanks crownvic for chiming in yourself.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:34 am

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baje427 wrote:
A bit off topic but is there any chance AC would pick up some of the newer Q300's? I know for example Commutair retired theirs recently.


They picked up 2 ex Piedmont Q300s when American Eagle retired the type. Currently being converted to their spec.


Are you referring to the 2 we acquired for parts? I don’t believe we’re adding 2 to the active fleet, that’s what FINs 327 & 328 were for back in the late winter when they were added to replace GSTA and GVTA which were removed from service because they’re -301s and gear parts aren’t available anymore.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:50 am

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There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.

How about in Alberta or British Columbia?
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:06 am

CFM565A1 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
baje427 wrote:
A bit off topic but is there any chance AC would pick up some of the newer Q300's? I know for example Commutair retired theirs recently.


They picked up 2 ex Piedmont Q300s when American Eagle retired the type. Currently being converted to their spec.


Are you referring to the 2 we acquired for parts? I don’t believe we’re adding 2 to the active fleet, that’s what FINs 327 & 328 were for back in the late winter when they were added to replace GSTA and GVTA which were removed from service because they’re -301s and gear parts aren’t available anymore.


You might be right on that, I haven't heard anything to indicate one or the other, I just knew they picked them up, figured they must be undergoing pre-eis MX at YHZ.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:13 am

SQ789 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.

How about in Alberta or British Columbia?


Nope; in AB we have lots of 400’s and, I believe, relatively few 300’s, with no 100’s remaining. Over in BC I believe there are perhaps a greater portion of 300’s, but no 100’s left. Keep in mind AC does still have Capacity Purchase Agreements with one or more Beech 1900 operators for the thinnest parts of their network, but I know almost nothing about the status of those contracts or the size of the fleet. I believe Central Mountain Air is, or at least has been, one of the bigger operators... happy to be corrected or have that fleshed out, though!

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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:33 am

Also, will there be a new livery for the Q100 or the Q300? looks like I see nearly all type of AC fleet except E90, A319 I realized already had new livery.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:07 am

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Also, will there be a new livery for the Q100 or the Q300? looks like I see nearly all type of AC fleet except E90, A319 I realized already had new livery.


Well one of the -311s tail 327 (C-FRUZ) has been repainted already to the new look. They even incorrectly named it a Q300 which it isn’t since it’s not equipped with ANVS (noise reduction) :lol: . I don’t know when the next one will be repainted, my guess is the last actual Jazz painted one (FSOU) would be next.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:09 am

whywhyzee wrote:
CFM565A1 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:

They picked up 2 ex Piedmont Q300s when American Eagle retired the type. Currently being converted to their spec.


Are you referring to the 2 we acquired for parts? I don’t believe we’re adding 2 to the active fleet, that’s what FINs 327 & 328 were for back in the late winter when they were added to replace GSTA and GVTA which were removed from service because they’re -301s and gear parts aren’t available anymore.


You might be right on that, I haven't heard anything to indicate one or the other, I just knew they picked them up, figured they must be undergoing pre-eis MX at YHZ.


Consulting our CPA it shows us at 26 -300s from now on and indefinitely so I’d assume they’re the two we picked up for parts.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:11 am

Jean Leloup wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.

How about in Alberta or British Columbia?


Nope; in AB we have lots of 400’s and, I believe, relatively few 300’s, with no 100’s remaining. Over in BC I believe there are perhaps a greater portion of 300’s, but no 100’s left. Keep in mind AC does still have Capacity Purchase Agreements with one or more Beech 1900 operators for the thinnest parts of their network, but I know almost nothing about the status of those contracts or the size of the fleet. I believe Central Mountain Air is, or at least has been, one of the bigger operators... happy to be corrected or have that fleshed out, though!

JL


Air Georgian and EVAS... however one would wonder how much longer that’ll be around out west since AC stripped all the 1900s of their branding.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:29 pm

SQ789 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.

How about in Alberta or British Columbia?


The DH1s haven't been out west in a long time. The Sault/YAM is as far west as they go nowadays.

CFM565A1 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
SQ789 wrote:
Also, will there be a new livery for the Q100 or the Q300? looks like I see nearly all type of AC fleet except E90, A319 I realized already had new livery.


Well one of the -311s tail 327 (C-FRUZ) has been repainted already to the new look. They even incorrectly named it a Q300 which it isn’t since it’s not equipped with ANVS (noise reduction) :lol: . I don’t know when the next one will be repainted, my guess is the last actual Jazz painted one (FSOU) would be next.


So there's still one Jazz painted DH3 left. I'm guessing that's a western-based DH3? I'm also guessing there are no more CRJs in Jazz livery? Evidently the Jazz charter fleet are still Jazz branded too, but those aren't "Air Canada Jazz".
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:46 pm

CFM565A1 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
As a complete aside, I see AC are currently operating 3x 321 Rouge, along with 1x 319 Rouge and 2x Express E75 on YYZ-YQB. What a huge capacity jump this year from the exclusive Q400 lineup on the route.


Not really. If my memory is right, the route used to be 10+ daily Q400. Airlineroute a few months ago had it at 5x daily Rouge A319. No capacity increase there.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... bec%20City

If they are using A321s instead of the A319s, then they are providing the market with a small increase.

If im based in YQB and use AC for business trips, I would rather have 10 daily Q400 than 5x daily Rouge.



YYZ-YQB has been flown by the same new(ish) A321 for Rouge for a few months now, (FYXF)... curious on a side note if anyone knows why it’s the usual suspect for that Route more so than the other 321s.


Based on the rouge A321 schedule, the 3 daily YQB flights are operated by the same frame. It makes the most sense to put the only frame without winglets Sharklets on the shortest route, so that the frames with Sharklets can operate longer routes and get more benefits out of the fuel savings.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:22 pm

briguychau wrote:
CFM565A1 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:

Not really. If my memory is right, the route used to be 10+ daily Q400. Airlineroute a few months ago had it at 5x daily Rouge A319. No capacity increase there.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... bec%20City

If they are using A321s instead of the A319s, then they are providing the market with a small increase.

If im based in YQB and use AC for business trips, I would rather have 10 daily Q400 than 5x daily Rouge.



YYZ-YQB has been flown by the same new(ish) A321 for Rouge for a few months now, (FYXF)... curious on a side note if anyone knows why it’s the usual suspect for that Route more so than the other 321s.


Based on the rouge A321 schedule, the 3 daily YQB flights are operated by the same frame. It makes the most sense to put the only frame without winglets Sharklets on the shortest route, so that the frames with Sharklets can operate longer routes and get more benefits out of the fuel savings.


Makes sense, thanks!
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:25 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
9252fly wrote:
There are still about 10 or more in operation. They will continue to slowly be withdrawn from service with the last leaving by the end of 2020. They can still be found operating in Ontario and Quebec.

How about in Alberta or British Columbia?


The DH1s haven't been out west in a long time. The Sault/YAM is as far west as they go nowadays.

CFM565A1 wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]
SQ789 wrote:
Also, will there be a new livery for the Q100 or the Q300? looks like I see nearly all type of AC fleet except E90, A319 I realized already had new livery.


Well one of the -311s tail 327 (C-FRUZ) has been repainted already to the new look. They even incorrectly named it a Q300 which it isn’t since it’s not equipped with ANVS (noise reduction) :lol: . I don’t know when the next one will be repainted, my guess is the last actual Jazz painted one (FSOU) would be next.


So there's still one Jazz painted DH3 left. I'm guessing that's a western-based DH3? I'm also guessing there are no more CRJs in Jazz livery? Evidently the Jazz charter fleet are still Jazz branded too, but those aren't "Air Canada Jazz".


Yup FINs 327/328 are named our “charter machines” but they’re now part of the CPA so they can literally be anywhere when flying AC flightss. 327 is our only repainted (not-Q300) into the new paint. 328 is the one still in plain green Jazz but it may be done since it’s also a CPA machine. As for the CRJ-200 I believe they’re all in express pair of some iteration now.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:54 pm

There is also a DH8-300 with only 44 seats that shows up from time-to-time.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:26 am

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There is also a DH8-300 with only 44 seats that shows up from time-to-time.


FIN 327 and 328 get configured seasonally for fishing charters to the Queen Charlotte Islands(historical name,but not politically correct). I liked to call them the Sandspit Specials. The bins in the cabin help with all the gear that goes back and forth between YVR and the lodges.
 
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:31 am

9252fly wrote:
HJM wrote:
There is also a DH8-300 with only 44 seats that shows up from time-to-time.


FIN 327 and 328 get configured seasonally for fishing charters to the Queen Charlotte Islands(historical name,but not politically correct). I liked to call them the Sandspit Specials. The bins in the cabin help with all the gear that goes back and forth between YVR and the lodges.


Masset BC but same thing... 327 Has an aft bin and the 328 a forward (which requires a crew of two flight attendants).
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:00 pm

briguychau wrote:
CFM565A1 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:



YYZ-YQB has been flown by the same new(ish) A321 for Rouge for a few months now, (FYXF)... curious on a side note if anyone knows why it’s the usual suspect for that Route more so than the other 321s.


Based on the rouge A321 schedule, the 3 daily YQB flights are operated by the same frame. It makes the most sense to put the only frame without winglets Sharklets on the shortest route, so that the frames with Sharklets can operate longer routes and get more benefits out of the fuel savings.


Agree, makes sense. The YYZ-YQB A321 schedules end early November, at which time this tail will no doubt be reassigned to sun destinations.
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Re: Air Canada dash 8-100

Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:42 am

This YYZ-YQB A321 seems to be config 10J/190Y. Unique aircraft in fleet?

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