DLHAM wrote:Too much expansion too fast by buying dBA and LTU in a short timeframe, then too many changes of direction and last but not least too many new CEOs in a short time, everyone of them having own ideas.
Also I am pretty sure that the never opening BER is a big factor too, they intended to build up a big Hub in Berlin. They would have taken advantage of a new, capable BER, instead they had to have hub operations in Tegel which is too small and it never worked well. One of the reasons why they also had to count a lot on DUS too, making it necassary to operate two Hubs side by side which is expensive I think.
tkoenig95 wrote:Did Etihad's drop of stake in the company really push the execs in a corner with no where to turn?
BojamDelta wrote:I was on holiday down in SW Florida and a few years ago I was in a shopping complex car park and saw an Air Berlin A330
heading into RSW.
First thoughts a diverted flight until I realised it's an AB service!
Sorry to hijack the thread but what will happen to to this service?
LH and BA both fly to MIA, MCO and TPA, could one of these step in?
Newbiepilot wrote:Terrible costs from what I heard. They were overpaying for their leased planes and were also not cost competitive on maintenance costs. Meanwhile their fares were on the low side.
chonetsao wrote:Their demise is the short haul fleet. It seems everyone already forgotten the very unreasonable lease of their B737 from Germania (or another company has a similar name). Whomever signed the lease should be thoroughly investigated. I believe their long haul to RSW and Florida performed strongly. The AUH-BKK/HKT run is not.
djvalume wrote:I've recently done line training with an ex AB D.E.C. and according to him they had poor to no cost control... One.
NWADTWE16 wrote:Germany should've helped them especially given the crisis that is BER and that is not AB fault. Regarding trans-atlantic fares, they were sky high every time I checked them from RSW but they did pack those flights and were THE link for the large dispora between the two areas.
Lastly, letting LH gobble everything in site is a bad move and that was what ended them IMO
KLDC10 wrote:Is it ideal, from a competitive viewpoint, that Lufthansa is more-or-less dominant in the German market? No. But Easyjet operations at Tegel are a viable alternative for domestic passengers, so it's not like Lufthansa has been able to develop a monopoly.
The whole situation was handled more-or-less as well as it could have been with regards to the actions of Lufthansa, Easyjet and the German Government.
The real fault lies with Air Berlin and Etihad management.
Noshow wrote:After initial success as a secondary airport holiday airline they moved into the mainline business without the financial power. That included a fleet rollover from B to A. They ended up with too many concepts at the same time. For some time they even were Spain's second biggest airline with a hub at Palma. Business class, widebodies, intercontinal routes. Everything and nothing, burning through money they did not have. Then they served legacy trunk routes even daring to attack huge Lufthansa. It was a long way down finally. Still sad to watch it. The ops was cool and on time the people were nice. The true chaos only started in the final season with some new über-unable luggage handler at Tegel airport.
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