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Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:47 pm

Still a few days out, but they are talking about Florence making landfall in the North/South Carolina area as a category 4 with winds in the 140 mph range. Which airline/airports are likely to take the biggest hit? Are any airlines prepping for this storm yet? Have any airlines started allowing passengers to make flight changes without charge yet?
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:11 pm

ILM and to a lesser extent, MYR, are in the crosshairs as of right now. Largest major airport that may be affected by lots of rain and some wind would probably be BWI, but I don't have a map in front of me as I play armchair meteorologist today (:
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:24 pm

N126DL wrote:
ILM and to a lesser extent, MYR, are in the crosshairs as of right now. Largest major airport that may be affected by lots of rain and some wind would probably be BWI, but I don't have a map in front of me as I play armchair meteorologist today (:


Yup. Storms that make landfall in the Carolinas tend to track pretty straight north once the make landfall, and the coastline has a strong east/west “angle” in this region. So, landfall around SAV or CHS is bad news for CLT (similar to Hugo) then will probably have lesser effects in PIT, CLE, and perhaps DTW or YYZ. ILM means problems in WAS and BWI. ORF is trouble for PHL and probably NYC.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:26 pm

[quote=" Largest major airport that may be affected by lots of rain and some wind would probably be BWI, but I don't have a map in front of me as I play armchair meteorologist today (:[/quote]

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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:50 pm

Operationally, CLT is far enough over where it won’t be detrimental to the operation. “Except” for anything CLT-ILM/CHS/EWN/MYR etc etc.

Still way to early to predict its path of course and the intensity of the storm especially where it goes once it’s as well. For CLT, high winds would be my concern. Again, to early to tell.

Hope all my friends and family scattered in all parts of NC stay safe!! Prayers for NC/SC coastal areas.
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Airline reactions to Hurricane Florence

Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:53 pm

NHC shows a major Category 3/4 hurricane slamming into the region between Georgia and Virginia sometime around Thursday. Other than the clearly going to be taking a direct hit airports (anywhere from SAV, to CHS or MYR to ILM to OAJ), there will probably negative effects from ATL to DCA. Any word yet on contingency plans by AA, DL, UA, and WN? Pre-emptive cancellations? Repositioning of aircraft?
 
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Re: Airline reactions to Hurricane Florence

Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:19 pm

I'm curious how many 787's at Boeing 's CHS factory are flyable and can be evacuated?

I heard last week part shortages were the reason for the crowded CHS ramp right now
 
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Re: Airline reactions to Hurricane Florence

Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:48 pm

AA has now posted a waiver over an extensive geo area.

Hurricane Florence – Southeastern U.S.
Information current as of September 10, 2018

Asheville, North Carolina (AVL)
Augusta, Georgia (AGS)
Charleston, South Carolina (CHS)
Charlotte, North Carolina (CLT)
Charlottesville, Virginia (CHO)
Columbia, South Carolina (CAE)
Fayetteville, North Carolina (FAY)
Florence, South Carolina (FLO)
Greensboro / High Point, North Carolina (GSO)
Greenville / Spartanburg, South Carolina (GSP)
Greenville, North Carolina (PGV)
Hampton / Newport News, Virginia (PHF)
Hilton Head, South Carolina (HHH)
Jacksonville, North Carolina (OAJ)
Lynchburg, Virginia (LYH)
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (MYR)
New Bern, North Carolina (EWN)
Norfolk, Virginia (ORF)
Raleigh / Durham, North Carolina (RDU)
Richmond, Virginia (RIC)
Roanoke, Virginia (ROA)
Savannah, Georgia (SAV)
Wilmington, North Carolina (ILM)
The change fee may be waived if you:
Are traveling on an American Airlines flight
Bought your ticket by September 10, 2018
Are scheduled to travel September 13 - 16, 2018
Can travel September 10 - 19, 2018
Do not change your origin and destination city
Rebook in the same cabin or pay the difference

https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/travel-alerts.jsp
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:03 pm

Interestingly this week marks the opening of the World Equestrian Games for 2018, located in Tryon, NC. Most horses have already arrived via intl. charters. But some may still be enroute (particularly domestic animals). Any major rain fall will surely impact the games. And sadly this atmospheric setup looks very similar to Harvey.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 pm

AA and WN have issued travel advisories and fee waivers but nothing yet from DL and UA as of 3:00 PM EDT.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:42 pm

NHC predicting 80% chance of 30+ winds by Thursday near CLT. I would say CLT is best bet for big airport with big impact. AA waivers reflect that. Wind still uncertain for IAD/BWI/DCA, ATL, etc. Flooding is a serious concern around DC, I know there is a Coastal Flood Warning already today due to rains from weekend. What would it take to flood an airport? DCA has the added disadvantage of possible tidal flooding from Potomac.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:52 pm

Tidal and coastal flooding could affect NC, SC,VA regional airports, DCA, BWI, PHL and even to JFK/LGA. Likely considerable inland flooding in SC, NC, VA and adjacent states, DC/Baltimore area which would make access impossible with flooded roads. This looks like one big mess and likely major shutdowns of airports.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:53 pm

DL has implemented a travel fee waiver for everything on the coast from MYR to PHF, inland as far as GSO and RDU, for travel 9/13-9/20. Nothing yet from UA.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:53 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
AA and WN have issued travel advisories and fee waivers but nothing yet from DL and UA as of 3:00 PM EDT.


As of 3:21PM EDT, DL has issued those travel advisories and fee waivers; nothing from UA so far...

Edit: above post about this was already posted...
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:36 pm

UA has a travel waiver for 9/10-9/16 for these stations.

GSP/CAE/MYR/CHS/ILM/FAY/RDU/CLT/GSO/AVL/ROA/ORF/RIC/CHO/SHD/SAV
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:48 pm

I've had to take a back seat from photographing the 787 operations at Boeing South Carolina. They really hate photographers. Been stopped too many times. But I'd like your opinions of what Boeing might do with the aircraft that are flight worthy. Would they fly them out? What about the aircraft that are not flight worthy with no engines installed yet? If there is a mass fly out of 787's you can bet I'll be out there photographing that. Tomorrow lane reversals will start so things are getting more serious by the hour it seems like.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:30 pm

CassidysVacay wrote:
I've had to take a back seat from photographing the 787 operations at Boeing South Carolina. They really hate photographers. Been stopped too many times. But I'd like your opinions of what Boeing might do with the aircraft that are flight worthy. Would they fly them out? What about the aircraft that are not flight worthy with no engines installed yet? If there is a mass fly out of 787's you can bet I'll be out there photographing that. Tomorrow lane reversals will start so things are getting more serious by the hour it seems like.


For Irma, everything that was flyable was flown away - not sure where it went. My thought was SAT where the GS&S facilities are, but this is a fuzzy memory based off of a conversation and a few tweets from 2016 and 2017's storms. They had 9 in the FAL building ahead of Irma last year.

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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:47 pm

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Yup. Storms that make landfall in the Carolinas tend to track pretty straight north once the make landfall, and the coastline has a strong east/west “angle” in this region. So, landfall around SAV or CHS is bad news for CLT (similar to Hugo) then will probably have lesser effects in PIT, CLE, and perhaps DTW or YYZ. ILM means problems in WAS and BWI. ORF is trouble for PHL and probably NYC.

Better not even come close to Western PA. We don't need anymore rain for quite a while. So far it has rained here for 4 days nonstop and we have dealt with a lot of bad flooding not only this weekend, but the entire summer. Having that storm hit our already very saturated area would be very bad. :frown:
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:27 pm

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Cubsrule wrote:
Yup. Storms that make landfall in the Carolinas tend to track pretty straight north once the make landfall, and the coastline has a strong east/west “angle” in this region. So, landfall around SAV or CHS is bad news for CLT (similar to Hugo) then will probably have lesser effects in PIT, CLE, and perhaps DTW or YYZ. ILM means problems in WAS and BWI. ORF is trouble for PHL and probably NYC.

Better not even come close to Western PA. We don't need anymore rain for quite a while. So far it has rained here for 4 days nonstop and we have dealt with a lot of bad flooding not only this weekend, but the entire summer. Having that storm hit our already very saturated area would be very bad. :frown:


:rotfl: :rotfl: You're aware that there are areas that actually likely to get hit with this storm that are also already flooded - as in are flooding with every high tide right now - right?
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:34 am

Looking at the updated models, anything in the region from CHS to ORF on the coast and CAE/CLT/RDU/RIC inland is about to see some serious disruption...from both the winds and the flooding afterwards.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:22 pm

United's 787X evacuating along with all other flightworthy aircraft. Not much left on the flightline.

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Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:22 pm

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United's 787X evacuating along with all other flightworthy aircraft. Not much left on the flightline.

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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:24 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Looking at the updated models, anything in the region from CHS to ORF on the coast and CAE/CLT/RDU/RIC inland is about to see some serious disruption...from both the winds and the flooding afterwards.


Latest update looks like SC will be mostly spared (save perhaps areas close to the NC border). Worst of it will be the OAJ to ORF areas and Eastern NC as they are in the Northeast quadrant of the hurricane (which traditionally gets the worst winds due to the CCW nature of North Atlantic 'canes). Eastern/Northern part of NC could get two feet of rain. I suspect RDU, FAY and perhaps GSO/ROA/RIC (depending on how much variance) will also get a ton of rain.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:53 pm

RDUDDJI wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
Looking at the updated models, anything in the region from CHS to ORF on the coast and CAE/CLT/RDU/RIC inland is about to see some serious disruption...from both the winds and the flooding afterwards.


Latest update looks like SC will be mostly spared (save perhaps areas close to the NC border). Worst of it will be the OAJ to ORF areas and Eastern NC as they are in the Northeast quadrant of the hurricane (which traditionally gets the worst winds due to the CCW nature of North Atlantic 'canes). Eastern/Northern part of NC could get two feet of rain. I suspect RDU, FAY and perhaps GSO/ROA/RIC (depending on how much variance) will also get a ton of rain.


Interesting - the Hurricane Tracker just tweeted they are worried that this might shift south and sit over S.C. and GA now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hurrtrackerapp?

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My AS flight on Friday SEA-CHS was cancelled this morning. Sounds like the airlines are playing it very Safe.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:59 pm

I am in RDU at the Moment and hope to fly to Washington on Sunday they are expecting 10 inches (30cm) of rain the few days.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:09 am

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Tidal and coastal flooding could affect NC, SC,VA regional airports, DCA, BWI, PHL and even to JFK/LGA. Likely considerable inland flooding in SC, NC, VA and adjacent states, DC/Baltimore area which would make access impossible with flooded roads. This looks like one big mess and likely major shutdowns of airports.


DC and north shouldn't be at all affected.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:24 am

This storm is gonna be absolute hell, please stay safe out there everyone. Especially in the Carolinas and Virginia. The hurricane is expected to hit as a Category 4.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:14 am

Obviously F9 has a very small operation in this area of the country (1-2 flights a day on average for most of the airports that look like they'll be affected, if they are even in the airports at all) but their adjustments might provide a general insight in what the impact may look like for other carriers. Thus far, they've cancelled:
-All MYR flights starting today (9/11) at least through Friday 9/14
-All CHS flights Wednesday 9/12-Friday 9/14
-ORF flights on Friday 9/14

They have CHS, CLT, GSP, MYR, ORF, RDU, and SAV listed in their waiver.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:27 am

NWS/NOAA is about to change models. The old one and the new one have significantly different predictions on this storm.

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:23 am

frmrCapCadet wrote:
NWS/NOAA is about to change models. The old one and the new one have significantly different predictions on this storm.

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/


Actually since yesterday they've been similar. And ironically, the old model was the first to pick up on the storm stalling concept that has since been picked up on by the other models
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:26 pm

Wondering what Gulfstream will be doing at SAV in preparation since the storm is supposed to now slide down the coast and sit there.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:32 pm

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CassidysVacay wrote:
United's 787X evacuating along with all other flightworthy aircraft. Not much left on the flightline.

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Flying 6 aircraft clear across the country seems a bit much, unless they are going to continue work on them instead of just parking them. Doesn't bode well for the ones who are not yet airworthy.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:46 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
CassidysVacay wrote:
United's 787X evacuating along with all other flightworthy aircraft. Not much left on the flightline.

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FlightAware shows 6 787s flying from Charleston to Everett WA.


Flying 6 aircraft clear across the country seems a bit much, unless they are going to continue work on them instead of just parking them. Doesn't bode well for the ones who are not yet airworthy.


I think the frames left can be tucked away in the factory or one of the paint hangars or even one of the C-17 hangars on property .

Looks like the flight line was emptied out yesterday
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:57 pm

Heard on the news this morning that CHS has announced it will close tonight and not reopen unil Saturday morning -- at the earliest
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:29 pm

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lavalampluva wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:

FlightAware shows 6 787s flying from Charleston to Everett WA.


Flying 6 aircraft clear across the country seems a bit much, unless they are going to continue work on them instead of just parking them. Doesn't bode well for the ones who are not yet airworthy.


I think the frames left can be tucked away in the factory or one of the paint hangars or even one of the C-17 hangars on property .

Looks like the flight line was emptied out yesterday


Doesn't seem like to much in my mind.

At list price each one of those aircraft is worth $300mm+ (ie. $150mm++ after discount) I would think each one of those cross country flights empty would cost ~$100k in fuel + pilots+ logistics. seems like the prudent move to me. If they left them there and the planes get severely damaged by the storms i'm sure the insurance companies would have Boeing's neck and try to refuse to pay the claims. The cost of moving the planes cross country is definitely worth more than the potential damage the storm could cause.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:22 pm

CHS is still open.

Flying 6 aircraft across the country makes the most sense. Those 6 aircraft make up about $1 billion dollars of assets. Parking them anywhere else other than another Boeing facility doesn't make much sense especially since they are still owned by Boeing and not the respective airline yet.

The non-flightworthy frames that have no engines etc. have been moved into either the main production facility or the 2 paint hangars.

One of the Hainan frames took off, circled for about 30 min, and then landed. Flight mechanics looked the engines over for about an hour and then she took off again.

The only time I have seen a Boeing aircraft over on the Air Force apron was during an air show. The Air Force has evacuated all of their C-17s.

I'm going to take a drive up there shortly to see what's left on the flight line. I'm assuming not much.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:59 pm

Looks like it has taken a turn to the east and south making ti worse for CLT and possibly impacting ATL.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:01 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Tidal and coastal flooding could affect NC, SC,VA regional airports, DCA, BWI, PHL and even to JFK/LGA. Likely considerable inland flooding in SC, NC, VA and adjacent states, DC/Baltimore area which would make access impossible with flooded roads. This looks like one big mess and likely major shutdowns of airports.


DC and north shouldn't be at all affected.


Not on the new track, but I think the post pre-dated the change in track. If the current model estimates hold, the DC area will probably still see minor flooding whenever the rain comes through just because of ground saturation, but it shouldn't do anything to the airports.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:10 pm

The State of Georgia has just declared an emergency for all counties.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:32 pm

My heart is heavy for everyone in the Carolinas.......one of my favorite stomping grounds. I experienced Andrew years ago, (Cat5) and Irma (Cat4) last year in Florida. Everyone stay safe, and good luck. Don't underestimate it, it's going to be a rough ride

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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:52 pm

I wish everyone the best. I experienced a few when I lived in the Orlando area. Even that far inland can be scary. And I recall the local news station showing the last plane leaving MCO before the hurricane.
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:57 pm

I just heard that the storm system is going to stall and linger for days. How bad would that be for the affected areas ?
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:04 pm

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I just heard that the storm system is going to stall and linger for days. How bad would that be for the affected areas ?


The continental shelf is shallow in the Carolinas so storm surge will be a major problem with a strong hurricane which has been strong for days by the time it reaches shore. Its pushing a wall of water with it. By wall, I'm saying a wall over 15' high. Given the coastal Carolina area is relatively flat, that is bad news.

Wind, rain (flooding) and storm surge are the biggest issues. If the storm stalls at hurricane strength, the communities on the north side of the storm will be the most affected by surge.

Everyone should move well inland and out of the storm's path.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:37 pm

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I just heard that the storm system is going to stall and linger for days. How bad would that be for the affected areas ?


The continental shelf is shallow in the Carolinas so storm surge will be a major problem with a strong hurricane which has been strong for days by the time it reaches shore. Its pushing a wall of water with it. By wall, I'm saying a wall over 15' high. Given the coastal Carolina area is relatively flat, that is bad news.

Wind, rain (flooding) and storm surge are the biggest issues. If the storm stalls at hurricane strength, the communities on the north side of the storm will be the most affected by surge.

Everyone should move well inland and out of the storm's path.


Yeah, the storm surge is a bad thing; the water just keeps rising and rising, you wonder ''where the heck is all this water coming from?'' but it's the 'wall' of water, like Sonomaflyer says, that pushes ahead of the big powerful storms that often causes more damage than anything. And if the storm parks somewhere and has little to no movement, then you see the massive flooding like Harvey brought to Houston last year. And the Carolinas are low ...near the coast.

I hear Florence has lost some steam.....down to a CAT3. That's all very well, but don't let that fool you. Who knows what it'll be when it finally makes landfall. In '92 Hurricane Andrew, approaching Florida, fooled around between CAT 3 and 4, then blew up into a 5 when it crossed the gulfstream just a few hours before landfall.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:45 pm

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Interestingly this week marks the opening of the World Equestrian Games for 2018, located in Tryon, NC. Most horses have already arrived via intl. charters. But some may still be enroute (particularly domestic animals). Any major rain fall will surely impact the games. And sadly this atmospheric setup looks very similar to Harvey.


The international horses are flying on an EK 77F to GSP. I had no idea it was here the first time I watched it take off! It just made a turn around in GSP today, actually...I presume taking horses back over seas?
 
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:08 pm

There is just of good of a chance it will come over to us here in Georgia, in which case the bright side is I can look forward to a day or 2 off work. Traffic around Atlanta is bad when the weather is good. You should have seen all the Florida refugee's last year.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:31 pm

Judging by how it's tracking more south now, ATL is going to get at least some of it. CLT and RDU are also going to be affected.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:58 am

slvrblt wrote:
SonomaFlyer wrote:
alberchico wrote:
I just heard that the storm system is going to stall and linger for days. How bad would that be for the affected areas ?


The continental shelf is shallow in the Carolinas so storm surge will be a major problem with a strong hurricane which has been strong for days by the time it reaches shore. Its pushing a wall of water with it. By wall, I'm saying a wall over 15' high. Given the coastal Carolina area is relatively flat, that is bad news.

Wind, rain (flooding) and storm surge are the biggest issues. If the storm stalls at hurricane strength, the communities on the north side of the storm will be the most affected by surge.

Everyone should move well inland and out of the storm's path.


Yeah, the storm surge is a bad thing; the water just keeps rising and rising, you wonder ''where the heck is all this water coming from?'' but it's the 'wall' of water, like Sonomaflyer says, that pushes ahead of the big powerful storms that often causes more damage than anything. And if the storm parks somewhere and has little to no movement, then you see the massive flooding like Harvey brought to Houston last year. And the Carolinas are low ...near the coast.

I hear Florence has lost some steam.....down to a CAT3. That's all very well, but don't let that fool you. Who knows what it'll be when it finally makes landfall. In '92 Hurricane Andrew, approaching Florida, fooled around between CAT 3 and 4, then blew up into a 5 when it crossed the gulfstream just a few hours before landfall.


KCHS is 46 feet MSL. They're probably more worried about wind-blown debris and rain-flooding. The tide differential in both the Cooper and Ashley rivers is about 5.5-6.5 feet. If the track turns and the "bystander" surge of 4-5 feet that's currently predicted increases, we'll hope it comes ashore at low tide.
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:09 am

USCG sent a couple C-130s from Elizabeth City to PIE between yesterday and today
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Re: Potential impacts of Hurricane Florence on East Coast ops

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:14 am

klm617 wrote:
We could be in for another Atlanta melt down.


That was an unnecessary jab. Two totally different situations.

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