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Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:34 pm

http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547 ... hington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:24 am

MoReZ84 wrote:
http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547/Gulf-Airs-new-Dreamliners-will-allow-flights-to-New-York,-Washington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real

just exactly how do they expect to compete with Emirates,Etihad and the European connectors with the 787s is beyond me.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:25 am

UGLYRAED wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547/Gulf-Airs-new-Dreamliners-will-allow-flights-to-New-York,-Washington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real

just exactly how do they expect to compete with Emirates,Etihad and the European connectors with the 787s is beyond me.


Is it the traffic totals or the 787 itself that worries you?
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:56 am

Kind of a redundant title


I suspect there’s very few 787’s
delivered without crew rest areas
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:27 am

Max Q wrote:
I suspect there’s very few 787’s
delivered without crew rest areas

Many in fact, are not.

TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.
Airlines also have the option of taking delivery without, and later having an installation.

I'd imagine the Japanese domestic 787s don't either, but not specifically sure on that one.
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:43 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Max Q wrote:
I suspect there’s very few 787’s
delivered without crew rest areas

Many in fact, are not.

TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.
Airlines also have the option of taking delivery without, and later having an installation.

I'd imagine the Japanese domestic 787s don't either, but not specifically sure on that one.

Can't say for JAL but ANA sure, their regional 788/9 and domestic ones are not equipped with crew rests.

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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:08 am

Conversation is on long haul international equipment, which obviously needs crew rest seats. Domestic doesnt have such a need.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:29 am

UGLYRAED wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547/Gulf-Airs-new-Dreamliners-will-allow-flights-to-New-York,-Washington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real

just exactly how do they expect to compete with Emirates,Etihad and the European connectors with the 787s is beyond me.


Premium and O/D traffic which doesn't want a one-stop connection - the NYC and Washington metro areas seem like sensible choices to me. Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:47 am

Royal Brunie didn't have crew rest facilities on their 787 for international flights. That will change for next month when they go non stop to London.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:48 am

Royal Brunie didn't have crew rest facilities on their 787 international flights. That will however change for next month when they go non stop to London.
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:03 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.


This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:07 am

UGLYRAED wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547/Gulf-Airs-new-Dreamliners-will-allow-flights-to-New-York,-Washington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real

just exactly how do they expect to compete with Emirates,Etihad and the European connectors with the 787s is beyond me.


Well they did JFK and Houston on the A340s for a while and there was O/D traffic from Bahrain as well so it's not far fetched at all
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:08 am

scbriml wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.


This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.


lot of the major airlines change their strategies nothing new but to say they're irrelevant is overexaggerating
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:58 am

MoReZ84 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.


This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.


lot of the major airlines change their strategies nothing new but to say they're irrelevant is overexaggerating


Not as often as Gulf Air do. Yet another change of strategy? viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1404201

And to be pedantic, I didn't say they were irrelevant, I said they are struggling to remain relevant. Very different.
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:15 pm

JFK could work, NYC is overall a huge market so an additional 787 to the Middle East may not be overkill.

IAD;however, already has all ME3, TK, SV, ET, AI. Not exactly sure if a market for GF but we shall see
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:16 pm

MoReZ84 wrote:
UGLYRAED wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/390547/Gulf-Airs-new-Dreamliners-will-allow-flights-to-New-York,-Washington-DC

These planes wont start coming until 2020 though but the intention for flights to JFK and/or IAD are real

just exactly how do they expect to compete with Emirates,Etihad and the European connectors with the 787s is beyond me.


Well they did JFK and Houston on the A340s for a while and there was O/D traffic from Bahrain as well so it's not far fetched at all



yes but those were different times when the ME3 didn't exist . TK wasn't what it is now and when bahrain used to be the financial center of the entire middle east those days are gone now ..
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:16 pm

JFK could work, NYC is overall a huge market so an additional 787 to the Middle East may not be overkill.

IAD;however, already has all ME3, TK, SV, ET, AI. Not exactly sure if a market for GF but we shall see
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:24 pm

Perhaps they expect passengers from the UAE and KSA to feed these flights since QR is not allowed to fly there? I know WY has really benefitted from the blockade on Qatar so maybe GF is too.
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:49 pm

iadadd wrote:
JFK could work, NYC is overall a huge market so an additional 787 to the Middle East may not be overkill.

IAD;however, already has all ME3, TK, SV, ET, AI. Not exactly sure if a market for GF but we shall see



Maybe Gulf Air could serve Washington DC (BWI) and have the market to themselves.
 
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:11 pm

Should do JFK and try for Toronto. Canada is massively underserved. They aren't the best airline in the ME. But they have a new terminal in Bahrain that will come online by 2020.
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:38 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Max Q wrote:
I suspect there’s very few 787’s
delivered without crew rest areas

Many in fact, are not.

TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.
Airlines also have the option of taking delivery without, and later having an installation.

I'd imagine the Japanese domestic 787s don't either, but not specifically sure on that one.


also TG's 787-8 was delivered without crewrest but they should or already have got it now
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:51 pm

Where are the crew rest areas located on the 787?

Where are they located on the A350?
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:17 pm

questions wrote:
Where are the crew rest areas located on the 787?

Where are they located on the A350?


In the crown on both aircraft.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:15 pm

scbriml wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.


This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.


Yes I completely agree with your point, they have a track record of making dubious strategic decisions. Lately they appear to have remained focused on their core O/D markets though, which gives me more hope. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:23 pm

What is the Bahrain-Canada bilateral like?
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:58 pm

3rdGen wrote:
Should do JFK and try for Toronto. Canada is massively underserved. They aren't the best airline in the ME. But they have a new terminal in Bahrain that will come online by 2020.


last update is 3Q 2019 when the new terminal will come online
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:59 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
scbriml wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
Plus they will have analysed years of pax data before making this move, to establish likely demand.


This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.


Yes I completely agree with your point, they have a track record of making dubious strategic decisions. Lately they appear to have remained focused on their core O/D markets though, which gives me more hope. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Actually with a population of 1.5mil there isn't much O/D market to JFK or IAD but they're feeding off their exisitng GCC network which itself is quite diverse
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:04 pm

scbriml wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

This is Gulf Air we're talking about. They change their strategy more often than I change my underpants.

Don't get me wrong. I have a bit of a soft spot for them and used to love seeing their VC-10s and TriStars at Heathrow in the 1970s, but they're struggling to stay relevant as we approach 2020.


lot of the major airlines change their strategies nothing new but to say they're irrelevant is overexaggerating


Not as often as Gulf Air do. Yet another change of strategy? viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1404201

And to be pedantic, I didn't say they were irrelevant, I said they are struggling to remain relevant. Very different.


sometimes it's good to make the most out of what you have so this is a smart move. And to be honest being in the spotlight all the time isn't always a good thing so maybe your view of them being relevant might be shallow
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:09 pm

I could probably see JFK and IAD working out for them. I know UA tried IAD-BAH in 2011-12 and was dropped a few years later. I'm not sure how the LFs were on those flights since UA did use a 772 rather than a 787.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:21 pm

N292UX wrote:
I could probably see JFK and IAD working out for them. I know UA tried IAD-BAH in 2011-12 and was dropped a few years later. I'm not sure how the LFs were on those flights since UA did use a 772 rather than a 787.


from what I heard of an ex-UA agent in BAH loads were pretty healthy when they had military contracts
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:44 pm

That will be good if they can start IAH, tons of traffic to BAH, DMM, plus connections to Middle East, South Asia, and etc.

Maybe aligning with codeshare with UA, or another partner.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:49 am

Gulf Air is wise to play it safe with a 787-9, the world doesn't need another Gulf airline with 50 77W and a dozen A380's.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:28 am

jfk777 wrote:
Gulf Air is wise to play it safe with a 787-9, the world doesn't need another Gulf airline with 50 77W and a dozen A380's.

One could realistically argue that the world does't need two out of the three that it already has. :razz:
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:40 am

They could start DFW since EY left, if the Canada ties are open, then they can start YVR, YUL, YYC, and YYZ. Starting ATQ would make sense starting YVR and YYZ as well. Hope they do well, miss Gulf Air presences.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:54 am

LAX772LR wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Gulf Air is wise to play it safe with a 787-9, the world doesn't need another Gulf airline with 50 77W and a dozen A380's.

One could realistically argue that the world does't need two out of the three that it already has. :razz:


It's an ego thing between these oil-doms. Throw the business case out of the window. Sheik Abdul has an airline so Sheik Ali has to have one too.
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:13 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Max Q wrote:
I suspect there’s very few 787’s
delivered without crew rest areas

Many in fact, are not.

TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.
Airlines also have the option of taking delivery without, and later having an installation.

I'd imagine the Japanese domestic 787s don't either, but not specifically sure on that one.


BY 787’s all have Crew rest.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:43 am

MoReZ84 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
I could probably see JFK and IAD working out for them. I know UA tried IAD-BAH in 2011-12 and was dropped a few years later. I'm not sure how the LFs were on those flights since UA did use a 772 rather than a 787.


from what I heard of an ex-UA agent in BAH loads were pretty healthy when they had military contracts


The routing was IAD-KWI-BAH-KWI-IAD.
The flights were relatively empty (especially economy) while there was government traffic up in business.

It was quite easy to get on for non revs although as a non rev your end point was normally BAH. KWI isn't known for their welcoming arms to tourist, is dry and a cheap hotel is $300 a night. It is similar to LOS where you wouldn't dare try to stay at hostel (don't think they even have any FWIW) although in LOS the hotels have a steep price partially due to them being somewhat of a #safespace and really luxurious compounds. KWI really has zero desire to cater to the tourist market.

Not even sure what KWI's policy was in the event you got stuck at KWI due to an aircraft going tech (which I did see a few times before).

UA ended BAH, KWI and DXB all around the same time in early 2016. IAD-KWI-BAH was not daily.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:49 am

jfk777 wrote:
Gulf Air is wise to play it safe with a 787-9, the world doesn't need another Gulf airline with 50 77W and a dozen A380's.


What did Qatar Airways ever do to you?
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:53 am

Stewie787 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.

BY 787’s all have Crew rest.

Not surprised considering their recent longer stage lengths; but if so, it's a retrofit, as the first four weren't delivered or initially operated with them.

viewtopic.php?t=772745
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Arion640 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Gulf Air is wise to play it safe with a 787-9, the world doesn't need another Gulf airline with 50 77W and a dozen A380's.


What did Qatar Airways ever do to you?


Qatar is a well run airline and has never done anything to me. But what a strange question to ask ? What does Qatar have to do with Gulf Air flying to JFK ?

That like saying because BA flies to JFK KLM or Lufthansa should not fly to JFK which of course is silly. Gulf Air has to do what is good for Gulf Air.
 
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:45 pm

bourbon wrote:
MoReZ84 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
I could probably see JFK and IAD working out for them. I know UA tried IAD-BAH in 2011-12 and was dropped a few years later. I'm not sure how the LFs were on those flights since UA did use a 772 rather than a 787.


from what I heard of an ex-UA agent in BAH loads were pretty healthy when they had military contracts


The routing was IAD-KWI-BAH-KWI-IAD.
The flights were relatively empty (especially economy) while there was government traffic up in business.

It was quite easy to get on for non revs although as a non rev your end point was normally BAH. KWI isn't known for their welcoming arms to tourist, is dry and a cheap hotel is $300 a night. It is similar to LOS where you wouldn't dare try to stay at hostel (don't think they even have any FWIW) although in LOS the hotels have a steep price partially due to them being somewhat of a #safespace and really luxurious compounds. KWI really has zero desire to cater to the tourist market.

Not even sure what KWI's policy was in the event you got stuck at KWI due to an aircraft going tech (which I did see a few times before).

UA ended BAH, KWI and DXB all around the same time in early 2016. IAD-KWI-BAH was not daily.


When UA first launched the route in 2010, it was daily. It also had an absurdly long turnaround in BAH, which made for an interesting crewing pattern.

https://www.routesonline.com/airports/5105/bahrain-international-airport/news/74654/bah-direct-to-dc/?highlight=united%20bahrain

In 2013, it was reduced to 3 weekly and the turnaround in BAH was shortened.

A direct BAH-US link could work, especially with traffic from the Eastern province of Saudi Arabia. GF's chairman had emphasized that a route would only be launched if they felt enough feeder traffic had been built and could be captured.
 
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Re: Gulf Air to receive four 787s with crew rest areas for flights to New York and Washington D.C

Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:16 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Stewie787 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
TR, SQ, BY, JQ, ET, QR, etc all operate (at least some) 787s with no crew rest facilities.

BY 787’s all have Crew rest.

Not surprised considering their recent longer stage lengths; but if so, it's a retrofit, as the first four weren't delivered or initially operated with them.

viewtopic.php?t=772745

The first four operated 6-9 months without it but have had them ever since 2013 5th and onward delivered with Crew rest from factory.

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