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Rumours about Air France US expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:26 pm

I’m starting this forum because my fellow DFW friend showed me a screenshot of a person saying Air France is taking KLMS slot at DFW and will start service here summer 2019.So give rumors announcements and ideas of Air France expansion in the US.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:39 pm

I think your “friend” made this “rumor” up. KLM ended service to DFW in 2015, and DFW is not a slotted airport.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:55 pm

Welcome to the forum, Planes4you, and thanks for posting. I'm posting in part to let you know that not everyone here is dismissive and belittling.

I've often wondered why there's no transatlantic Skyteam service to DFW. I get it. DFW is a megAAhub. But it is also the fourth largest metropolitan area in the nation, so one would think that the market could sustain a daily flight to AMS or CDG, even if only seasonal.

I hope that your friend's information is true.

Thanks again for joining, and keep the faith.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:01 pm

compensateme wrote:
I think your “friend” made this “rumor” up. KLM ended service to DFW in 2015, and DFW is not a slotted airport.


I didn't say KLM was coming back I said that Air France is taking their slot
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:02 pm

Shields wrote:
Welcome to the forum, Planes4you, and thanks for posting. I'm posting in part to let you know that not everyone here is dismissive and belittling.

I've often wondered why there's no transatlantic Skyteam service to DFW. I get it. DFW is a megAAhub. But it is also the fourth largest metropolitan area in the nation, so one would think that the market could sustain a daily flight to AMS or CDG, even if only seasonal.

I hope that your friend's information is true.

Thanks again for joining, and keep the faith.


I'm not new. but thanks. He actually sent me a facebook post of a DFW employee saying he got an email from his company about Air France and DFW
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:03 pm

I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:06 pm

Planes4you wrote:
I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines


Even if your rumour is true why would that be stupid?
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:07 pm

Planes4you wrote:
compensateme wrote:
I think your “friend” made this “rumor” up. KLM ended service to DFW in 2015, and DFW is not a slotted airport.


I didn't say KLM was coming back I said that Air France is taking their slot


There's no slots at DFW.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:10 pm

DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:17 pm

MARSHAL1 wrote:
DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.



Maybe not with a 77W this time
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:43 pm

Bogof7478 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines


Even if your rumour is true why would that be stupid?


Because A332 are retiring soon
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:44 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
compensateme wrote:
I think your “friend” made this “rumor” up. KLM ended service to DFW in 2015, and DFW is not a slotted airport.


I didn't say KLM was coming back I said that Air France is taking their slot


There's no slots at DFW.


That's why I said KLMS old slot
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:45 pm

MARSHAL1 wrote:
DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.


That's why I said there taking KLMs old slot
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:01 pm

Planes4you wrote:
MARSHAL1 wrote:
DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.


That's why I said there taking KLMs old slot


You don’t seem to understand.

DFW is not a slot restricted airport.

Any airline can fly there just for the asking.

No airline has any slots at DFW, not even AA.

KLM does not have any slots at DFW to give to AF because DFW does not give or sell slots to any airlines. Every airline can have slots for free.

Is that clear enough?
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:03 pm

Planes4you wrote:
MARSHAL1 wrote:
DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.


That's why I said there taking KLMs old slot


There not taking any slotsbecause DFW is not a slot restricted airport. You don’t need a slot because there isn’t any. You can start a flight whenever you’d like. Sloted airports are extremely rare in the US.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Planes4you wrote:
I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines



It’s not stupid at all. Planes can be changed at anytime.

As others have states, your comments make no sense since there are no slots.

If they start DFW, great. However, nothing has been made official yet.
Whatever
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:18 pm

Planes4you wrote:
Bogof7478 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines


Even if your rumour is true why would that be stupid?


Because A332 are retiring soon

And no they're not retiring A332 anytime soon. Not for the next two years or so anyway, at least there's no official concrete plans released.

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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:20 pm

The OP is probably fairly young, I wouldn’t be too hard on him...
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:28 pm

compensateme wrote:
The OP is probably fairly young, I wouldn’t be too hard on him...

Don't be hard on old people too. For that matter how about being nice to all people.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:30 pm

it would be nice if AF started MSY service. The only competition is BA to LHR and Condor to Frankfurt.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:40 pm

I don't think the OP means literally taking their slots as in their landing and takeoff slot, he means "taking their slot" which is another way to say "taking their place." It's not that hard to understand. But I will wait for proof. I'm not surprised people are piling on this as impossible as they usually do with DFW, saying it will never have more international service despite having full foreign carrier planes, booming economy, 4th most populous metro in the US, population increases are the largest in the USA, etc etc. They are too busy suggesting silly fanboy things like 3x daily AUS-Saigon on A380s lolololol. I've said it before, and said it recently, DFW is a huge gap for Skyteam to Europe and Air France would be a perfect carrier to fill it. Right now they're just leaving revenue on the table. Just ignoring Skyteam loyal fliers in DFW and in Europe.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:55 pm

Shields wrote:
Welcome to the forum, Planes4you, and thanks for posting. I'm posting in part to let you know that not everyone here is dismissive and belittling.

I've often wondered why there's no transatlantic Skyteam service to DFW. I get it. DFW is a megAAhub. But it is also the fourth largest metropolitan area in the nation, so one would think that the market could sustain a daily flight to AMS or CDG, even if only seasonal.

I hope that your friend's information is true.

Thanks again for joining, and keep the faith.



Between SkyTeam and OneWorld, there is actually very little overlap in terms of TATL service to US fortress hubs.

OneWorld hubs PHL, DFW, CLT, PHX all have no SkyTeam TATL service, despite DFW, PHX, and PHL all being top 15 metro markets. Similarly, OW offers no TATL service to LHR or MAD to DTW or MSP, despite both being top 15 Metro markets. The lone exception to this is ATL with a BA flight.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:02 am

Planes4you wrote:
I’m starting this forum because my fellow DFW friend showed me a screenshot of a person saying Air France is taking KLMS slot at DFW and will start service here summer 2019.So give rumors announcements and ideas of Air France expansion in the US.


There are no slots at DFW

I think some posters here get confused between slots and frequencies. But US-EU is openskies so frequencies arent relevant either.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:41 am

On the local DFW Spotters group, someone who works for a third party ground services company says his company received a email regarding bidding for Air France DFW-CDG on A332. No clue how credible.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:42 am

Bobloblaw wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I’m starting this forum because my fellow DFW friend showed me a screenshot of a person saying Air France is taking KLMS slot at DFW and will start service here summer 2019.So give rumors announcements and ideas of Air France expansion in the US.


There are no slots at DFW

I think some posters here get confused between slots and frequencies. But US-EU is openskies so frequencies arent relevant either.


So I THINK that has been established by the number of posts before this. It’s sad what has come of this site. A bunch of bullies eager to stomp on anyone for the slightest.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:54 am

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I’m starting this forum because my fellow DFW friend showed me a screenshot of a person saying Air France is taking KLMS slot at DFW and will start service here summer 2019.So give rumors announcements and ideas of Air France expansion in the US.


There are no slots at DFW

I think some posters here get confused between slots and frequencies. But US-EU is openskies so frequencies arent relevant either.


So I THINK that has been established by the number of posts before this. It’s sad what has come of this site. A bunch of bullies eager to stomp on anyone for the slightest.


You aren’t helping either, at least he stayed on topic.

Anyways, it would be a great addition to DFW, as it’s a monopoly route for AA. Competition always helps!
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:58 am

Nola wrote:
it would be nice if AF started MSY service. The only competition is BA to LHR and Condor to Frankfurt.


Sounds a bit like Phoenix.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:10 am

DLPMMM wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
MARSHAL1 wrote:
DFW doesn't have slots. Air France could have started service to DFW anytime they wanted to.
If Air France wants to start service MCO would be a good place to start.


That's why I said there taking KLMs old slot


You don’t seem to understand.

DFW is not a slot restricted airport.

Any airline can fly there just for the asking.

No airline has any slots at DFW, not even AA.

KLM does not have any slots at DFW to give to AF because DFW does not give or sell slots to any airlines. Every airline can have slots for free.

Is that clear enough?


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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:12 am

compensateme wrote:
The OP is probably fairly young, I wouldn’t be too hard on him...



Yeah I’m 15 thanks
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:13 am

kavok wrote:
Shields wrote:
Welcome to the forum, Planes4you, and thanks for posting. I'm posting in part to let you know that not everyone here is dismissive and belittling.

I've often wondered why there's no transatlantic Skyteam service to DFW. I get it. DFW is a megAAhub. But it is also the fourth largest metropolitan area in the nation, so one would think that the market could sustain a daily flight to AMS or CDG, even if only seasonal.

I hope that your friend's information is true.

Thanks again for joining, and keep the faith.



Between SkyTeam and OneWorld, there is actually very little overlap in terms of TATL service to US fortress hubs.

OneWorld hubs PHL, DFW, CLT, PHX all have no SkyTeam TATL service, despite DFW, PHX, and PHL all being top 15 metro markets. Similarly, OW offers no TATL service to LHR or MAD to DTW or MSP, despite both being top 15 Metro markets. The lone exception to this is ATL with a BA flight.

Not too long ago (I think last year) Delta ran a 757 between PHL and CDG after AF dropped the route. They did compete directly with AA 767/A330 equipment though. I would love to see KLM serve PHL or AF make a return, but neither seems likely to me.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:13 am

mfe777 wrote:
I don't think the OP means literally taking their slots as in their landing and takeoff slot, he means "taking their slot" which is another way to say "taking their place." It's not that hard to understand. But I will wait for proof. I'm not surprised people are piling on this as impossible as they usually do with DFW, saying it will never have more international service despite having full foreign carrier planes, booming economy, 4th most populous metro in the US, population increases are the largest in the USA, etc etc. They are too busy suggesting silly fanboy things like 3x daily AUS-Saigon on A380s lolololol. I've said it before, and said it recently, DFW is a huge gap for Skyteam to Europe and Air France would be a perfect carrier to fill it. Right now they're just leaving revenue on the table. Just ignoring Skyteam loyal fliers in DFW and in Europe.



Yeah that’s what I meant.Even If it should’ve been easy to understand I should’ve specified
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:21 am

I hope this is true. SkyTeam has a big hole at DFW; I for one am baffled at the lack of AF/KL. Yes, it is a large AA megahub, but ATL (which is a smaller market) can make both BA and LH work despite the humongous DL hub, and BA/AF/KL can make in-state rival IAH work despite the UA hub (yes, I know there is a lot of energy business traffic that sustains those flights, and while IAH has more international traffic than DFW, the latter is no slouch on the international stage either).

KL wasn't the right one of the AF/KL group to serve DFW considering AA can't even make AMS work year round from DFW. There is more demand from the metroplex to CDG than AMS, and I'm sure AF could make DFW work with the right plane.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:31 am

With AA's seasonal service to AMS, it makes sense for AF/KL to switch their own seasonal service to CDG - a much larger market.
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:54 am

compensateme wrote:
The OP is probably fairly young, I wouldn’t be too hard on him...

When you enter the anet waters, the assumption has always been that you accept swimming with SHARKS. :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:58 am

hz747300 wrote:
Nola wrote:
it would be nice if AF started MSY service. The only competition is BA to LHR and Condor to Frankfurt.


Sounds a bit like Phoenix.


AF is kind of a mess TATL. They also don't exactly have a robust Euro network like BA through CDG. If any of the TATL alliance would start service through MSY or PHX it would probably be DL given the route awardings lately. Frankly MSY would probably be better served on DL with AMS than CDG.

If CDG to MSY, I'd bet on Level before AF.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:13 am

Planes4you wrote:
mfe777 wrote:
I don't think the OP means literally taking their slots as in their landing and takeoff slot, he means "taking their slot" which is another way to say "taking their place." It's not that hard to understand. But I will wait for proof. I'm not surprised people are piling on this as impossible as they usually do with DFW, saying it will never have more international service despite having full foreign carrier planes, booming economy, 4th most populous metro in the US, population increases are the largest in the USA, etc etc. They are too busy suggesting silly fanboy things like 3x daily AUS-Saigon on A380s lolololol. I've said it before, and said it recently, DFW is a huge gap for Skyteam to Europe and Air France would be a perfect carrier to fill it. Right now they're just leaving revenue on the table. Just ignoring Skyteam loyal fliers in DFW and in Europe.



Yeah that’s what I meant.Even If it should’ve been easy to understand I should’ve specified

Its still not easy to understand because KLM hasn't been in Dallas in 2015. 4 years later is not "taking KLM's slot"

On top of all of that, AF/KL/DL have generally been starting new routes to AMS/CDG with a Delta 767 then upgauging/changing operator as needed. If the JV decided to start DFW-CDG(or AMS, or FCO or LHR when VS joins the JV) its much more likely for Delta to start the route then shift to AF/KL/AZ/VS as and if needed.
mfe777 wrote:
I don't think the OP means literally taking their slots as in their landing and takeoff slot, he means "taking their slot" which is another way to say "taking their place." It's not that hard to understand. But I will wait for proof. I'm not surprised people are piling on this as impossible as they usually do with DFW, saying it will never have more international service despite having full foreign carrier planes, booming economy, 4th most populous metro in the US, population increases are the largest in the USA, etc etc. They are too busy suggesting silly fanboy things like 3x daily AUS-Saigon on A380s lolololol. I've said it before, and said it recently, DFW is a huge gap for Skyteam to Europe and Air France would be a perfect carrier to fill it. Right now they're just leaving revenue on the table. Just ignoring Skyteam loyal fliers in DFW and in Europe.

read above on the taking the slot thing

as for "just ignoring SkyTeam loyal fliers in DFW" no they aren't. Hardcore (all 6 of them) HVCs will take a Delta flight out of DFW to one of the many options DL/AF/KL/VS/AZ offer to Europe.
It is highly questionable if Skyteam has enough HVCs to make a non-stop worth it.

but if you have any data that proves otherwise I'd love to see it.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:22 am

deltal1011man wrote:

but if you have any data that proves otherwise I'd love to see it.


The data is the ATL airport. Most unpleasant place to be in the developed world. Most unpleasant workers. Of course, you may disagree. Giving Skyteam fliers the choice between one or two connections (including stressful ATL) to get where they need to go between Europe and DFW isn't exactly serving them well. From one of the posts above, AF is already getting bids for ground service to serve DFW starting in 2019 so let's just see. No need to bully the 15 year old original poster for the confusion on verbiage.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:44 am

Nola wrote:
it would be nice if AF started MSY service.

It'd also be completely out of character for AF in the USA.

AF doesn't serve medium-hub airports, and for the most part, their typical markets have at least triple the kind of throughput that MSY handles; exceptions being IAD (split operation with diplomatic + African diaspora travel) and previously CVG (hub-hub).

AF also doesn't do primarily-leisure markets:
they failed miserably in MCO and never even attempted LAS.

As nice as it'd be to see AF in MSY, and reestablish some semblance of Louisiana's sunsetting "French connection"...... it's extremely unlikely any time soon.



Nola wrote:
The only competition is BA to LHR and Condor to Frankfurt.

"only"....?

For an airport with barely 13million pax, and a metro with barely 1.5million people-- that's a lot of competition. :eek:
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:56 am

SAN
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:57 am

Planes4you wrote:
compensateme wrote:
The OP is probably fairly young, I wouldn’t be too hard on him...



Yeah I’m 15 thanks

I don’t want to dissuade you from your hobby. I think kids having an interest in aviation is a great thing.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:58 am

AF is sending a couple of charters to SAN for a convention in December. The return flights to CDG will not be charters, they will be commercial, (also on AF).I don't know if this precludes future service, but it is a strange setup. Charters one way, but commercial on the return leg.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:03 am

Delta usually handles all of the markets AF doesn't bother to touch. Such as EWR, PHL, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, SLC, and etc
 
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Delta usually handles all of the markets AF doesn't bother to touch. Such as EWR, PHL, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, SLC, and etc
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:13 am

Yahnih wrote:
SAN


On Norwegian.
 
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:25 am

SANMAN66 wrote:
AF is sending a couple of charters to SAN for a convention in December. The return flights to CDG will not be charters, they will be commercial, (also on AF).I don't know if this precludes future service, but it is a strange setup. Charters one way, but commercial on the return leg.


Both directions are loaded for sale commercially according to google flights.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:00 am

Planes4you wrote:
Bogof7478 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I forgot to mention it'll be operated on an A330-200 which I found strange, but Air France does stupid things like just like all airlines


Even if your rumour is true why would that be stupid?


Because A332 are retiring soon


Their A330s are supposed to be refurbished starting at the end of this year; doubtful they will be retired soon
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:06 am

mfe777 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:

but if you have any data that proves otherwise I'd love to see it.


The data is the ATL airport. Most unpleasant place to be in the developed world. Most unpleasant workers. Of course, you may disagree. Giving Skyteam fliers the choice between one or two connections (including stressful ATL) to get where they need to go between Europe and DFW isn't exactly serving them well. From one of the posts above, AF is already getting bids for ground service to serve DFW starting in 2019 so let's just see. No need to bully the 15 year old original poster for the confusion on verbiage.


Come on ATL is not that bad. JFK and IAD have been worse for me..
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:58 am

mfe777 wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:

but if you have any data that proves otherwise I'd love to see it.


The data is the ATL airport. Most unpleasant place to be in the developed world. Most unpleasant workers. Of course, you may disagree. Giving Skyteam fliers the choice between one or two connections (including stressful ATL) to get where they need to go between Europe and DFW isn't exactly serving them well. From one of the posts above, AF is already getting bids for ground service to serve DFW starting in 2019 so let's just see. No need to bully the 15 year old original poster for the confusion on verbiage.

and. here. we. go.

I asked for data, not whatever that mess is.


and FWIW Delta has plenty of other options. DFW-NYC-AMS. DFW-NYC-CDG. DFW-NYC-FCO. DFW-NYC-LHR. DFW-NYC-plenty of other places in Europe. DFW-DTW-AMS. DFW-DTW-CDG. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So again, I will ask.....do you have data that DL/AF/KL/AZ (and soon VS) are missing out on some big group of HVCs in Dallas that are unwilling to connect in ATL/DTW/NYC/MSP/CVG? not some random derp about why you don't like ATL.

LH658 wrote:
Delta usually handles all of the markets AF doesn't bother to touch. Such as EWR, PHL, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, SLC, and etc


its not so much bothering to touch as much as it is

aircraft size, again Delta has smaller 757/767s that they can use to start a route
plus things like gates, point of sale in that market place, corporate contracts, supply chain/employees/vendors etc. etc.


at one point someone asked Richard Anderson what it took to decide on if XX carrier operates a route vs YY carrier. IIRC he said it was a ton of different variables. DL/AF/KL all want the JV to make as much money as possible.
In general Delta has the right airplanes to start routes, but in some cases the JV will decide on a route that has a very strong French or Dutch point of sale and thus AF or KL will start the route.
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:11 am

It's official. 3 then 5 weekly A332 starting March 31st and for the entire summer season.

Flight schedules(in local time):
AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas-Fort Worth at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas-Fort Worth at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.


https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/press-release/discovering-dallas-new-air-france-destination
 
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Re: Air France Us expansion

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:12 pm

Planes4you wrote:
I’m starting this forum because my fellow DFW friend showed me a screenshot of a person saying Air France is taking KLMS slot at DFW and will start service here summer 2019.So give rumors announcements and ideas of Air France expansion in the US.


Congratulations! You scooped a lot of long-time (and, too often, overly cynical and/or obnoxious) posters.

I hope you hobby leads you to a great career in the airline industry. :thumbsup:
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