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First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:03 pm

B-HNL will heading to a Museum after all.
Cathay Pacific and Boeing announced today that they are donating the first-ever Boeing 777 airplane to the Pima Air & Space Museum in Arizona, one of the world’s largest facilities devoted to celebrating aerospace.


https://news.cathaypacific.com/cathay-p ... on-museum#
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:08 pm

Are they going to leave it in Cathay colors or re-paint it back to the Boeing factory colors?
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:42 pm

That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:45 pm

I was hoping for the Museum of Flight in SEA, but they don't
have room for it. Their new covered pavilion is already packed.

Pima is still a great place to retire this historic plane :)
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:10 pm

tomaheath wrote:
That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:42 pm

lightsaber wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?

Udvar-Hazy takes the cake, but Pima has some good stuff like being able to walk in the DC4 Air Force One that JFK used and cool things like that. Theres also A10s flying around from Davis-Monthan AFB which is across the street and its all open air.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:28 pm

Nice to see the plane find a new home. After 787 #2 (#1 is in NGO, #3 in Museum of Flight), Pima gets another early-build modern airliner.

Anyway, B-HNL was just ferried back to HKG from XMN, so it can fly to TUS tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#1de65cac
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:29 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?

Udvar-Hazy takes the cake, but Pima has some good stuff like being able to walk in the DC4 Air Force One that JFK used and cool things like that. Theres also A10s flying around from Davis-Monthan AFB which is across the street and its all open air.

Getting up close to the 787 is pretty awesome.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:49 pm

Excellent! Well done Cathay Pacific and Pima Air Museum. I really need to get my act together and visit sometime.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:02 pm

lightsaber wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?


UH is pretty amazing, but from a photography perspective Pima wins for me plus the vast majority of exhibits being outside.
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:07 pm

Well just checked PIMA out of google earth it’s a while since I’ve done that and found that it’s now also covered by google street view so you can explore the grounds, I shall lose a little time on that in the morning, nice to see an important aircraft be preserved
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:13 pm

Glad to see more commercial planes get in to museums.
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:33 pm

...now it's time to get Line #7, N777UA into a United Museum. It was #1 delivered, and flew in revenue service over 5 years before B-HNL, June, 1995.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:56 pm

friendlyskies22 wrote:
...now it's time to get Line #7, N777UA into a United Museum. It was #1 delivered, and flew in revenue service over 5 years before B-HNL, June, 1995.


I am sure that the Airline History Museum in Kansas City would love to have N777UA, if Untied was willing to donate it to them. It would look nice parked between the DC-3 and the Connie.

Anyone got any contacts at United that they are willing to share that might make this happen :-)

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:17 am

friendlyskies22 wrote:
...now it's time to get Line #7, N777UA into a United Museum. It was #1 delivered, and flew in revenue service over 5 years before B-HNL, June, 1995.


Having flown on that exact aircraft, I would love to see it donated to a museum.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:39 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
Nice to see the plane find a new home. After 787 #2 (#1 is in NGO, #3 in Museum of Flight), Pima gets another early-build modern airliner.

Anyway, B-HNL was just ferried back to HKG from XMN, so it can fly to TUS tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#1de65cac


Assuming it will fly into DMA (Davis-Monthan AFB) rather than TUS so that it can be towed across Valencia Road to the museum. Both PASM and DMAFB are less than 10 miles from my house. Will be looking out for it on approach tomorrow.
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:43 am

Here is B-HNL prior to departure from HKG

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https://twitter.com/alexjenkins88/statu ... 1470500864
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:23 am

B-HNL operating as CX3492 has just departed HKG for the last time

https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA3492/1de77782
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:28 am

Just to clarify, do I have this right? I think the difference between this and N777UA is:

CX: First 777 prototype ever built, later delivered to CX.
UA: First 777 built for a customer, also first 777 delivery
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:17 am

neomax wrote:
Just to clarify, do I have this right? I think the difference between this and N777UA is:

CX: First 777 prototype ever built, later delivered to CX.
UA: First 777 built for a customer, also first 777 delivery


No; B-HNL was first ever 777 produced, the prototype.

N777UA was the first 777 in commercial service and the seventh 777 built. It has recently been refurbished so probably will keep on flying for another 10 years or perhaps more. It would be very nice to see it in a museum somewhere. The first 777 built for a customer would have been L/N 2 which is N774UA.

I think it's really too bad that B-HNL is going to Arizona. Would have loved if it came back to Seattle either at Museum Of Flight at BFI or at PAE to Future of Flight Museum. Nice to see it being preserved though.

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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:50 am

I think Boeing should build and indoor facility with a museum lot of interactive exhibits tour of the factory’blnand . Reasonable cost flight simulators. Along with those attractions suchbasbmmmmfhave a short flight where they paint a plane in retro scheme. Have retro uniforms go up serve lunch and land. Make it a few day excursion. Not just a park with airplanes sitting there rotting away. A comfortable climate controlled facility. All activities can be al la carte or make a package deal for all activities.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:52 am

DL_Mech wrote:
Glad to see more commercial planes get in to museums.



Is this Going to be displayed indoors or outdoors
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:30 am

Yay!!!!!!!!! I hope it hangs out at the airfield for a bit so I can catch when they tow it over the road to the museum, that’ll be a site!

As nice as it would be to have it at Boeing's museum, from photos I’ve seen, I cringe at their current outdoor displays as the weather there is keeping planes in dirty condition which makes me sad.

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:31 am

I guess an A model can go pretty far
when it’s empty !
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:37 am

Prior to departing HKG B-HNL had operated 20,519 flights and flown 49,687 flight hours

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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:24 pm

If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.


The museum in question does already have a 787
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:48 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.


It already has one. A 787-8 ZA002 (N787EX).
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:59 pm

Max Q wrote:
I guess an A model can go pretty far
when it’s empty !


Not only empty, VERY empty.

https://twitter.com/alexjenkins88/statu ... 8123291648

Most of the cabin interior was removed. Although I don't think they'll have access to cabin once in Pima anyway.

qcpilotxf wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.


The museum in question does already have a 787


Indeed. Right next to the building in ANA color. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it was 787 prototype #2, #1 being in NGO and #3 in Boeing Museum of Flight. They print the plane in ANA color before sending it to Pima.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1397875 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Crazy that 777 prototypes were sold, but they just couldn't sell any of the 787 prototypes (#4 is a test plane, #5 was already scrapped).
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:09 pm

Cool to see this bird heading to Pima! Was just there a few months ago... Such an amazing Museum. Hopefully someone will be there to video her land and get some pictures!
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:18 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Indeed. Right next to the building in ANA color. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it was 787 prototype #2, #1 being in NGO and #3 in Boeing Museum of Flight. They print the plane in ANA color before sending it to Pima.


N787EX has always been in full ANA livery. That's the only livery it's had.
 
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Ziyulu wrote:
If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.


Pima is one of the best aviation museums in the world. The 777 and the 787 are the tip of the iceberg in terms of exhibits.
 
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Amazing that the A-model 777-200 can actually fly from Hong Kong to Tucson non-stop when it's empty.

Does anyone know when will CX retire the remaining 4 777-200s? They are pretty old too and CX doesn't seem to have plan to retrofit economy class cabin to 10-seat setting.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:42 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Crazy that 777 prototypes were sold, but they just couldn't sell any of the 787 prototypes (#4 is a test plane, #5 was already scrapped).


I think it's worth noting as well when calling this frame (specifically, WA001) the prototype is that Boeing always intended from the get-go that it would be a customer-deliverable aircraft rather than a traditional prototype. There was a similar intent with the 787 but the amount of rework required far exceeded that which was reasonable.

IIRC Airbus followed a similar route, though slightly more conservative, route with the A380 - the first full frame was never meant to be deliverable, but the subsequent four were after completion of the testing programme.

raylee67 wrote:
Amazing that the A-model 777-200 can actually fly from Hong Kong to Tucson non-stop when it's empty.


I mean, without passengers and cargo you're always going to get a lot further than otherwise. HKG-DMA is 7661 mi GC, which is an impressive extension over the paper range, but not that far detached from QF sending their retired B763ERs SYD-VCV non-stop, and of course the non-stop LHR-SYD delivery flight for their first B744 that was nearly 3000 km further than paper range (though they did cheat on a points).
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:27 pm

It landed for the last time. PIMA is a good place for it.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:29 pm

Ironic that the flight to DMA was nearly 14 hours and much of it at 43k—it’s most impressive performance was its death flight
 
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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:48 pm

Not dead, just sleeping, but a wonderful sleep! Its great to see commercial planes getting love in aviation museums.
 
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lightsaber wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
That’s great to hear! Went to Pima last November great museum. Now I’ll definitely have to go back.

How does PIMA compare to Udvar-Hazy?


Very nice. Lots of walking around outdoors as well as indoor. Best thing is the nice dry desert keeps the planes from rusting away.
 
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Ziyulu wrote:
If I go to a museum, I don't expect to see a 777. I can easily fly on a 777 on numerous routes today. I would not be surprised if this "museum" will get a 787 in the near future.


The Pima Air and Space Museum (not "museum", as you snidely put it) is a world-class facility. One of the largest collections of historic aircraft and space vehicles (including an entire Titan Missile silo complete with de-nuked missile). I've been a proud member since shortly after they first opened in 1976. Their collection has grown enormously. As said, yes they have a 787. Nothing wrong with that. Also a 737-300 and the second DC-10 off of the line (Project Orbis' former flying hospital). Two former Presidential aircraft, a VC-137 (707) and the aforementioned Kennedy/Johnson C-118 (DC-6B), incorrectly called a DC-4 on an earlier post.
 
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Pima is one of the best aviation museums in the world. The 777 and the 787 are the tip of the iceberg in terms of exhibits.


As a longtime PASM member, I thank you for the compliment.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:05 pm

Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.
 
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UA owns 777# 2,3,4,5 &7. Don't know about #6.
 
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UA owns 777# 2,3,4,5 &7. Don't know about #6.

#6 is with BA.
 
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Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


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Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:53 pm

mga707 wrote:
777PHX wrote:

Pima is one of the best aviation museums in the world. The 777 and the 787 are the tip of the iceberg in terms of exhibits.


As a longtime PASM member, I thank you for the compliment.

I agree place is fantastic! As is the Titian missile silo and the boneyard tour.
 
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mga707 wrote:
Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


They already towed it across. https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 4872198144
 
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chrisair wrote:
mga707 wrote:
Plan to head over to Pima later to find out when the tow across Valencia Road is scheduled. I'd imagine it will be in the wee hours of the early morning to avoid disrupting traffic. Valencia gets heavy in the rush hours.


They already towed it across. https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 4872198144


Yes, I was surprised they didn't wait until tonight. I have a photo but do not know how to post it here.
 
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:21 pm

mga707 wrote:
777PHX wrote:

Pima is one of the best aviation museums in the world. The 777 and the 787 are the tip of the iceberg in terms of exhibits.


As a longtime PASM member, I thank you for the compliment.


I know it's major league money to do so but is there a plan in place to provide some sort of roof for Sun protection for the collection, as funds allow over time? I think it's fabulous that all those aircraft and artifacts are preserved there by people who care but it does sadden me how much they are affected by the elements.
BTW, I've visited a lot of the major air museums in the U.S. and yours is at the top of the list for my next outing.
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ClipperYankee wrote:
mga707 wrote:
777PHX wrote:

Pima is one of the best aviation museums in the world. The 777 and the 787 are the tip of the iceberg in terms of exhibits.


As a longtime PASM member, I thank you for the compliment.


I know it's major league money to do so but is there a plan in place to provide some sort of roof for Sun protection for the collection, as funds allow over time? I think it's fabulous that all those aircraft and artifacts are preserved there by people who care but it does sadden me how much they are affected by the elements.
BTW, I've visited a lot of the major air museums in the U.S. and yours is at the top of the list for my next outing.


Aside from paint fade, not too much damage from the elements here in Tucson. Dry climate sees to that. The outdoor aircraft are plugged up to keep out birds and other 'critters', and usually the window are covered with a protective film or paint. Pima has five large hangers for indoor display of many of the aircraft in the collection. The largest aircraft on indoor display is probably the B-29.
 
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Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:01 am

I see she got up to her maximum altitude of 43,000 feet on her last flight. Very nice!

Already seen the video oh her being towed across the road to the museum.
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